DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, JiF said: Back to this earning thing real quick; not sure how many people can earn sh*t but my assumption is that you could earn like garlic or a cross or some sh*t because Pacfag and that's why we've missed attempts and sh*t. So far we have 2 “Ambitious” Players ( Gata & Drums ). Drums never said if he had to earn his investigation tho - only that it was 1x Nolder did weird sh*t too, but wasn’t listed that way JF80 and JC made pretty obvious “earn” posts and we did have a lot of failed recruit attempts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, JiF said: So we're assuming the kills are coming from Blade and the SK's or have the Vamps been killing too or are they just recruiting? Vamps/Cult without a way to kill isn’t possible - that would make them a Cult Mason group lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, JiF said: Were there 3 successful conversion or only 2? Only 2 and on the last conversion Pac implied it was the last. Yet there was a subsequent scene that hinted at a conversion attempt. As such, we're dealing with either a 3+2 or a 2+3 scenario. HOWEVER, with both the Cult leader (Leelou) and Cult leader backup (Hess) dead it is hard to see how there is another recruit possibility, unless the recruit power was passed onto the remaining scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 There is too much setup spec up in the air - we need to just iso to found out who is not playing a town game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, SMC said: Only 2 and on the last conversion Pac implied it was the last. Yet there was a subsequent scene that hinted at a conversion attempt. As such, we're dealing with either a 3+2 or a 2+3 scenario. HOWEVER, with both the Cult leader (Leelou) and Cult leader backup (Hess) dead it is hard to see how there is another recruit possibility, unless the recruit power was passed onto the remaining scum. Do you remember what scene that was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, DPR said: There is too much setup spec up in the air - we need to just iso to found out who is not playing a town game. I believe the spec informs the town strategy for whom we go after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, JiF said: Were there 3 successful conversion or only 2? Only 2, and the 2 recruiters (main & backup) are dead (Leelou & Hess) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, DPR said: Do you remember what scene that was? Is there a search feature in this newish board set up? Back in old JN mafia we could search threads for stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 We Also need to hear more from our low posters - we can start running them up while we iso. Vote Beaver He said he was going to be around a lot today and then vanished. He’s also been conspicuously scarce since the conversions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, SMC said: I believe the spec informs the town strategy for whom we go after. True, but until the mod clarifies the Blade controversy, we’re just going to muddy the water and confuse the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, SMC said: I believe there are 3 sources of death: Vampires (cult/scum), SK (Nyn + SK) and Vig (Blade). Based on the source material, Blade being a SK doesn't make sense. He is hunting vampires. Yep. Just read back, Frost killed Nyn. So this is accurate and I agree, Blade is sucky town. lol 4 minutes ago, DPR said: So far we have 2 “Ambitious” Players ( Gata & Drums ). Drums never said if he had to earn his investigation tho - only that it was 1x Nolder did weird sh*t too, but wasn’t listed that way JF80 and JC made pretty obvious “earn” posts and we did have a lot of failed recruit attempts. Yeah, just wondering if it can help us clear peeps without using reveals. Not that they couldnt be converted, just talking out loud. 2 minutes ago, DPR said: Vamps/Cult without a way to kill isn’t possible - that would make them a Cult Mason group lol True. I've been Cult without kills and I forgot Frost killed Nyn. 1 minute ago, SMC said: Only 2 and on the last conversion Pac implied it was the last. Yet there was a subsequent scene that hinted at a conversion attempt. As such, we're dealing with either a 3+2 or a 2+3 scenario. HOWEVER, with both the Cult leader (Leelou) and Cult leader backup (Hess) dead it is hard to see how there is another recruit possibility, unless the recruit power was passed onto the remaining scum. Didnt they attempt a recruit after we killed Leelou? My guess is there is 2 cult, 1 Sk left but... Just now, DPR said: There is too much setup spec up in the air - we need to just iso to found out who is not playing a town game. I was just going to say this...doesnt really matter, lets hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 We could talk about who the most likely recruit was, but as has been pointed out, there are a lot of good options for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Beaver vs. Stark is are solid competing trains. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, DPR said: We could talk about who the most likely recruit was, but as has been pointed out, there are a lot of good options for that. JiF, DPR, SMC 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 We know we are looking for 1 SK and 1 Recruit - anything else is spec. The SK may or may not be Blade, but it doesn’t matter - they will still be an SK with a separate wincon, so we are looking for someone who was threatened by the people that have been killed. The recruit will most likely have slipped at some point and showed different opinions, logic, or votes since the recruiting . Those are our targets for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I think we should start process-of-elimination focus on players. Knock out the inactives because that's where scum can hide 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 just to keep track of what has happened, here are all the actions so far D1: Gata Lynched (ambitious town) N1: Failed conversion D2: Failed conversion (protected), Blade Killed Nolder (weak gladiator), failed conversion 2, failed conversion 3, successful conversion (Thursday at 4:53pm ), failed conversion 4, failed conversion 5, successful conversion #2 (Thursday at 10:10PM ), Lizzie (suicide bomber) lynched N2: Nyn (SK apprentice) killed by Frost, AJ (converted vamp) killed by ??? D3: Hess (cult apprentice) killed by ?Blade? (waiting on confirmation), Lee (cult leader) lynched N3: CTM (town vote theif) killed by Blade, Drums killed by ?cult? D4: There have been no conversion attempts (failed or successful) since D2. Hess was "Deacon Frost". Is that the same as Frost who killed Nyn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, DPR said: We know we are looking for 1 SK and 1 Recruit - anything else is spec. The SK may or may not be Blade, but it doesn’t matter - they will still be an SK with a separate wincon, so we are looking for someone who was threatened by the people that have been killed. The recruit will most likely have slipped at some point and showed different opinions, logic, or votes since the recruiting . Those are our targets for now I think it does matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckerfan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Official Vote Count: Beaver (2) - Stark, DPR Stark (2) - 80, JIF With 12 reapers alive, it takes 7 to lynch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: just to keep track of what has happened, here are all the actions so far D1: Gata Lynched (ambitious town) N1: Failed conversion D2: Failed conversion (protected), Blade Killed Nolder (weak gladiator), failed conversion 2, failed conversion 3, successful conversion (Thursday at 4:53pm ), failed conversion 4, failed conversion 5, successful conversion #2 (Thursday at 10:10PM ), Lizzie (suicide bomber) lynched N2: Nyn (SK apprentice) killed by Frost, AJ (converted vamp) killed by ??? D3: Hess (cult apprentice) killed by ?Blade? (waiting on confirmation), Lee (cult leader) lynched N3: CTM (town vote theif) killed by Blade, Drums killed by ?cult? D4: There have been no conversion attempts (failed or successful) since D2. Hess was "Deacon Frost". Is that the same as Frost who killed Nyn? 26 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: just to keep track of what has happened, here are all the actions so far D1: Gata Lynched (ambitious town) N1: Failed conversion D2: Failed conversion (protected), Blade Killed Nolder (weak gladiator), failed conversion 2, failed conversion 3, successful conversion (Thursday at 4:53pm ), failed conversion 4, failed conversion 5, successful conversion #2 (Thursday at 10:10PM ), Lizzie (suicide bomber) lynched N2: Nyn (SK apprentice) killed by Frost, AJ (converted vamp) killed by ??? D3: Hess (cult apprentice) killed by ?Blade? (waiting on confirmation), Lee (cult leader) lynched N3: CTM (town vote theif) killed by Blade, Drums killed by ?cult? D4: There have been no conversion attempts (failed or successful) since D2. Hess was "Deacon Frost". Is that the same as Frost who killed Nyn? Good breakdown. Blade killed Hess. It's clearly in the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I think Blade is the SK. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3729648&pagenumber=2 Quote He's not a surly good guy so much as a bad guy let loose on other bad guys. Quote Blade isn't really a hero. He's a monster killing other monsters, it just happens that vampires are monsters who feed on humans, so we perceive him as a good guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 Blade killed frost was that a real question? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: It was f'n snowing where I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I think it does matter. “Doesn’t matter” means that no matter what, the SK’s motivation is the same - to eliminate those that threaten that player the most. If the SK is or isn’t Blade doesn’t matter - that motivation remains the same because they are still the SK, and we know for certain we have an SK. if Blade is a separate player, his motivation will depend on his alignment. Does that make sense? They are not mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Pac said: Blade killed frost was that a real question? Did Blade kill Hess? The scene indicates he did but the list you're maintaining does't specify blade did it like it does on the other blade kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 My two cents is Blade is the Vig. Probably have one scum (cult) and one SK remaining. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pac said: Blade killed frost was that a real question? Yep That means it’s very likely that Blade is the SK, which puts his motivation squarely as I described - he wants to eliminate the largest threats to himself. So we look at Nolder, Hess and CTM and find the common denominator. @Pac will you please update the OP with that info and Lee’s death so that players not reading will know what we are talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: Did Blade kill Hess? The scene indicates he did but the list you're maintaining does't specify blade did it like it does on the other blade kills. of course. Who plays mafia by roster list. Oy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 IMO Blade is the SK based on the post I quoted from another MB about the movie earlier. Hess accused JiF of being Blade and then ended up killed by Blade shortly after. I think it is in the best interest of town to resolve this possibly obvious tell ASAP. It could be a setup - but we need to resolve it to be sure. vote JiF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 So are we agreed that we have 2 killing factions left, for a total of 3 factions? 1 Blade = SK 1 Vamp = Cult Recruit 10 Town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: OK so can we get on the same page with some things? Blade is SK, right? That has been my understanding the entire game. Blade's actions are a bit erratic in when they have happened. Any explanations for this? Blade actions: D1: None N1: None D2: Killed Nolder N2: None D3: KIlled Hess N3: Killed CTM N2: AJ (recruited vamp) & Nyn (backup sk) were killed but no mention of blade. Scum could have killed either but the other kill must have come from a vig? Maybe Blade gets a kill every day after D1 and every other night after N1? And the vig gets the other NK? Also - we still have an outstanding recruited vamp. So what we have left to kill is the following: 1x - scum 1x - recruited vamp 1x - SK amirite? I'll have to go back and look. I could have sworn someone besides AJ had them in their list as top scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, SMC said: I think we should start process-of-elimination focus on players. Knock out the inactives because that's where scum can hide Beaver, Boozer, or Stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, JiF said: Beaver vs. Stark is are solid competing trains. go for it. I'm town and not a power role player so there is no loss if I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: IMO Blade is the SK based on the post I quoted from another MB about the movie earlier. Hess accused JiF of being Blade and then ended up killed by Blade shortly after. I think it is in the best interest of town to resolve this possibly obvious tell ASAP. It could be a setup - but we need to resolve it to be sure. vote JiF omg lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, DPR said: So are we agreed that we have 2 killing factions left, for a total of 3 factions? 1 Blade = SK 1 Vamp = Cult Recruit 10 Town I thought we agreed to stop talking about it but IMO it's 3. Vamps, SK, Blade is Vig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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