Draft Rumors

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Neither Chad Forbes or MM are even remotely close to being correct.  There is no meddling from ownership and there was no restrictions on what Douglas was allowed to spend.

Did you talk to your guy? Is there impetus inside the org to exile Jamal?????????? ?????????

[T0mShane]

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[Beerfish]

30 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Neither Chad Forbes or MM are even remotely close to being correct.  There is no meddling from ownership and there was no restrictions on what Douglas was allowed to spend.

How do you account for Jamal Adams refusing to talk to the coach or GM after his little spat and then going to talk to the owner and then declaring that both he and the GM apologized to each other.

If the owner is doing no meddling he simply refers Jamal Adams to the coach and or GM instead to sticking his beak in there.

[jetstream23]

52 minutes ago, Vader said:

This draft will be like MLB opening day, the Stanley Cup, Wimbledon, and the Super Bowl rolled into one.

Theres literally nothing else and people are probably actually dying from sports withdrawal 

I said the same thing the other day. Ratings could be through the roof. This will be the first live sports-related event where the outcome is not known. All we get now are replays of games where we already know who won.

[choon328]

25 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

How do you account for Jamal Adams refusing to talk to the coach or GM after his little spat and then going to talk to the owner and then declaring that both he and the GM apologized to each other.

If the owner is doing no meddling he simply refers Jamal Adams to the coach and or GM instead to sticking his beak in there.

Meeting with your employee about a public argument is different then interfering in personnel decisions. CJ could have just told Jamal that he wants him to be a Jet for life but it's Douglas's call to make, not his. The idea that an owner shouldn't step in to deal with a public incident between their star player and the GM and Coach is asinine. Especially when the cry baby player is publicly refusing to speak to the coach or GM and is having a temper tantrum on Twitter. 

[Big_Slick]

6 hours ago, SR24 said:

Ik this guy isn’t always right but he’s probably not far off here 

Jets gave JD a six year deal and I don't think the Johnsons will be able to bully him. The Johnsons don't care about what the fan base thinks, the same fan base that fly's airplanes and puts up billboards.

Adams is not going to put fans in the seats but a winning playoff team will and if JD wants to flip Adams for picks then that's what will happen if he can find any team stupid enough to give up valuable picks for a box safety who's demanding a huge high dollar long term extension after only his 3rd season.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Meeting with your employee about a public argument is different then interfering in personnel decisions. CJ could have just told Jamal that he wants him to be a Jet for life but it's Douglas's call to make, not his. 

And that does have an affect on the gm, if the owner shows he wants the guy a new gm is going to defer.

If the owner 100% feels it is the GMs show he never contacts the player or if the player contacts him he refers him to the coach or gm.

[Vader]

24 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I said the same thing the other day. Ratings could be through the roof. This will be the first live sports-related event where the outcome is not known. All we get now are replays of games where we already know who won.

Lights, camera, action. We’re ready. Can’t believe the virtual NFL draft is what will heal this world. And it will. For a minute 

[choon328]

5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

And that does have an affect on the gm, if the owner shows he wants the guy a new gm is going to defer.

If the owner 100% feels it is the GMs show he never contacts the player or if the player contacts him he refers him to the coach or gm.

Yeah, no.  That's not how it works in any business.  If a CEO feels like a relationship between their best worker and that workers immediate supervisor are deteriorating quickly and even worse, publicly,  they don't just leave it alone.  They talk to both people and try to figure out a solution.  He would be derelict in his duties if he let that linger between them. Especially when Adams was refusing to meet with Gase and JD.

[Big_Slick]

3 hours ago, Ghost said:

I don’t want anyone from Alabama. We’ve had bad luck. 

Wasn't Joe Willie from 'Bama?

[Scoop24]

7 hours ago, SR24 said:

Ik this guy isn’t always right but he’s probably not far off here 

Chad forbes is a idiot and always wrong .

[Dcat]

4 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Our owners could never be so shrewd. 

More  likely is that they have fallen for the Jamal love narrative.

It was our owner who said "You can never have enough Tebow."

[Big_Slick]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

How do you account for Jamal Adams refusing to talk to the coach or GM after his little spat and then going to talk to the owner and then declaring that both he and the GM apologized to each other.

If the owner is doing no meddling he simply refers Jamal Adams to the coach and or GM instead to sticking his beak in there.

That's exactly what should have happened. You don't go two levels over your bosses head without consequences. Hopefully that idiot Johnson was just placating Adams and will revel in payback.

[Jetlife33]

1 hour ago, Big_Slick said:

Wasn't Joe Willie from 'Bama?

Yep, Marty Lyons as well. 

[Mogglez]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Did you talk to your guy? Is there impetus inside the org to exile Jamal?????????? ?????????

About what I said regarding the "meddling" and Joe's "restrictions"?  Yeah lol.

As for the Jamal topic?  No, I haven't yet lmao.

[redlichtie]

15 hours ago, T0mShane said:

That said, McGinn’s stuff is always great. I’m pretty sure they’re all grumpy old Packers scouts, but you love to see the unvarnished appraisals.

It’s really interesting to go back 2 or 3 years and see what those grumpy old boys were right about and wrong about...you are right though with McGinn, he is the one guy who’s draft profiles I go looking for ......his scouts take is essential reading

[Ghost]

8 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Wasn't Joe Willie from 'Bama?

Yup, but the thoughts of Dee Milliner scare the sh*t out of me. 

[HawkeyeJet]

3 hours ago, redlichtie said:

It’s really interesting to go back 2 or 3 years and see what those grumpy old boys were right about and wrong about...you are right though with McGinn, he is the one guy who’s draft profiles I go looking for ......his scouts take is essential reading

Between his scout interviews and Dane Brugler's enormous draft guide, The Athletic subscription is well worth the money for those alone

[Barton]

Jamal's value is never going to be higher. 24 yrs old, coming off All-Pro, 2 years left on his deal, no injury history etc.

He's a damn good player and if 2019 is a mark of the next 4-5 years, he's gonna be a force vs the run and have 4-5 turnovers a year. 

However, for the right package, you trade him, as he's only a safety. But it has to be the right package.

[Barton]

Is there a reason why Andrew Thomas is not the consensus top LT prospect? Every write up I see, there doesnt seem to be any significant red flags about his tape, athleticism or character. All the other prospects seem to have a notable flag or two. Am I missing something here? Is he being over analyzed? Is he just a jack of all trades but master of none?

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Barton said:

Is there a reason why Andrew Thomas is not the consensus top LT prospect? Every write up I see, there doesnt seem to be any significant red flags about his tape, athleticism or character. All the other prospects seem to have a notable flag or two. Am I missing something here? Is he being over analyzed? Is he just a jack of all trades but master of none?

I dont think there's any doubt he's a top 5 pick and the first tackle off the board. Everything else is just noise imo.

[Dcat]

And one personnel executive says that the Jets can land a transformational wide receiver in the first round. 

The executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he can’t publicly talk about NFL Draft prospects, said that CeeDee Lamb has the potential to be a game changer for any team that drafts him. The Jets, at No. 11, could be in a position to land the Oklahoma wide receiver. 

“To me, he is the best wide receiver in the draft, hands down,” the executive said. 

“I know everyone likes [Jerry] Jeudy and he is a great prospect, Pro Bowl caliber. But Lamb is the most polished wide receiver in this draft. He grades out very well. Fantastic route runner. Great hands. Breaks plays, reliable. His radius is great, jumps off the charts. If it is thrown in his direction, he gets it. Watch his tape and he is the type of player who checks every box. To me, he should be the first wide receiver taken in the draft but the hype around Jeudy is strong and deserved. But to me, he is the best wide receiver out there.” 

[Matt39]

Lamb is a run after the catch guy right? A 4.5 guy in the Big 12 can do that. In the NFL, a little different. Sammy Watkins has had the same issue. I wouldnt hate the pick either though.

[Dcat]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Lamb is a run after the catch guy right? A 4.5 guy in the Big 12 can do that. In the NFL, a little different. Sammy Watkins has had the same issue. I wouldnt hate the pick either though.

Lamb catches the ball when others can't. Ruggs is the most YAC guy in the group.  Lamb does it all and would wind up ibeing our next Toon, Walker etc. 

Figure out how to solve the OT position either in rd 2 or package picks and go get your OT.  But for heaven's sake, take Lamb at 11.  

[JohnnyLV]

21 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

 

Question - Would you rather have Wills at #11 or double-dip with a pair of guys like Wanogho and Peart in Rounds 2 or 3, hoping that you hit on at least one of them?

 

Id rather take Wills. He will be a solid starter in the NFL. If he can only play  right tackle well there is a role for solid right tackles in the NFL, and remember it's a unit so an excellent RT makes the RG better and the center more effective too. 

[Greensleeves]

22 hours ago, SR24 said:

Don't get cute stay at 11 and take Wills. There's definitely a drop off from the T4 OTs to the rest for once just stay put and take a really good player that fills your biggest need

Looks like many teams don't believe this. Why take a guy that is projected to play a position at 11 overall? You trade back or take the WR. If you trade back, take the LT (true LT) or a WR and then pick guys that are projected to be left tackles in the next round or 2 in the next 3 if you did grab a WR. The real risk here is blindly taking a guy to play another position that he may not be best suited for. That will get you in trouble. 

[JetFan20]

@TomShane

https://youtu.be/GKZJdaiJF84

[SR24]

6 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Looks like many teams don't believe this. Why take a guy that is projected to play a position at 11 overall? You trade back or take the WR. If you trade back, take the LT (true LT) or a WR and then pick guys that are projected to be left tackles in the next round or 2 in the next 3 if you did grab a WR. The real risk here is blindly taking a guy to play another position that he may not be best suited for. That will get you in trouble. 

Right but we also need a RT as well though. Whether we like it or not Joe D brought Fant in here and paid him that much because he’s comfortable with him playing LT. Wills projects well at LT but can definitely play RT worst case scenario it’s a no brainer pick. I’m also not stuck on Wills I’d take any of the 4 OTs that are there my preference is Thomas

[King P]

 

[Guilhermezmc]

Mims on the 2nd would be a steal

[Adoni Beast]

I dont think Joe Douglas will take just any of the top 4 OT’s. I’m sure there are 3 or only 2 that he’d consider at 11.

With Tua seemingly going to slide a little now with these reports, it seems leas likely our OT will be there at 11.

And we’ll be going WR, probably Lamb.

[slats]

18 minutes ago, King P said:

If the fish try to get cute and take an OT at #5, and then try to put together a package to move up with their other first-rounders to get their QB, I would expect them to get ridiculously fleeced. 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

If the fish try to get cute and take an OT at #5, and then try to put together a package to move up with their other first-rounders to get their QB, I would expect them to get ridiculously fleeced. 

Not only that but i can see Jax taking love and the phins getting shut out.

[section314]

19 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Not only that but i can see Jax taking love and the phins getting shut out.

Think he goes before Tua? Seems like guys are all over the map on Love.

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, section314 said:

Think he goes before Tua? Seems like guys are all over the map on Love.

If the dolphins pass on a qb at 5 then anything is possible.  

One way or another, one of those 4 tackles, if not 2, will be there at 11, and douglas will probably be getting offers for the pick.  This will be the first interesting observation of how he values players.