Draft Rumors

[Jetster]

2 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

They usually aren't off by terribly much, there are risers and fallers but both guys have been looking like risers. I expect mims to be gone early in the second or late in the first and pitmann to be gone early to mid second. 9-10 more days and we will see.

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I had some other thoughts to in this thread with CJ Henderson falling to #11, JD moving back up for a LT & drafting Pittman at #3 & Jefferson at #4, MacFarland at #5 and securing Griffin as our pass rusher. 

I could live with Perriman, Doctson, Crowder, Pittman, Jefferson. If Sam gets more time, the running game gets a bit better & Herndon comes back 100% healthy with Griffin also healthy Sam should be the Tide to rise all boats. 

[bitonti]

17 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

Ruggs would be an absolute epic fail at 11.  Who loved him before his 40 time came out?

the Jets have been scouting Henry Ruggs III super hard since last fall 

and his 40 at Alabama Junior spring day 2019 was already stuff of legend  among the scouts. 

11 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Exactly. Tampa is a concern for the trade back theory. I'm telling ya if Thomas or Becton are there you really do have to take one.   

if Thomas or Becton are there at 11 it's JD's birthday. This is not a scenario the Jets should be worried about

I don't believe the Jets have as high a grade on Wills as everyone else.  But I've been wrong before. 

11 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Tua’s hip is made of glass and Herbert is a crapshoot

 

 only 4 teams REALLY need QB this offseason... like DIRE needs. CAR signed Bridgewater and JAX is going with Minshew. 

Cinci takes Burrow, if Miami and Chargers don't believe in these players they are falling to New England.

what's worrisome for the Jets at 11 is when there's a run on tackles.  If all three of these guys are 90+ prospect graded, why would any of them make it to 11? 

[section314]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the Jets have been scouting Henry Ruggs III super hard since last fall 

and his 40 at Alabama Junior spring day 2019 was already stuff of legend  among the scouts. 

if Thomas or Becton are there at 11 it's JD's birthday. This is not a scenario the Jets should be worried about

I don't believe the Jets have as high a grade on Wills as everyone else.  But I've been wrong before. 

 only 4 teams REALLY need QB this offseason... like DIRE needs. CAR signed Bridgewater and JAX is going with Minshew. 

Cinci takes Burrow, if Miami and Chargers don't believe in these players they are falling to New England.

what's worrisome for the Jets at 11 is when there's a run on tackles.  If all three of these guys are 90+ prospect graded, why would any of them make it to 11? 

Tell me if I'm off base here......1) isn't he fairly penalty prone? 2) no easy way to phrase this....didn't he basically come across as a dope at the combine?

[slimjasi]

13 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Me going into the season with Jerry Jeudy at receiver and Chuma Edoga at tackle:

I feel you, but it comes down to how much difference the Jets think there is between the top tackles. 

The guy I would probably take first is Wirfs, but imagine a scenario in which Wirfs, Wills, and Thomas are all gone and the Jets are staring at Becton (who, for the sake of argument, let's suppose they view as a bit of a project). Do they take Becton instead of their favorite WR? 

Obviously, they could trade down, but that is still kicking the can down the road a bit. 

[Lil O]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

I had some other thoughts to in this thread with CJ Henderson falling to #11, JD moving back up for a LT & drafting Pittman at #3 & Jefferson at #4, MacFarland at #5 and securing Griffin as our pass rusher. 

I could live with Perriman, Doctson, Crowder, Pittman, Jefferson. If Sam gets more time, the running game gets a bit better & Herndon comes back 100% healthy with Griffin also healthy Sam should be the Tide to rise all boats. 

Sounds good, however I don’t think Pittman makes it passed the 2nd rd. And Jefferson might not be there at 4th rd.  But I would be happy with both those guys.

[Marshmello]

He's usually pretty good when it comes to the draft.

 

[Beerfish]

13 minutes ago, Marshmello said:

He's usually pretty good when it comes to the draft.

 

Thomas never should have been out of the top 10.

[section314]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Thomas never should have been out of the top 10.

Would not shock me if Brown and Okudah drop out of top10 and are replaced by Kinlaw and Henderson.

[King P]

 

[section314]

1 minute ago, King P said:

 

You ran a great draft for the fish in our mock.....what do you think? Gil is still pretty plugged in.

[Marshmello]

I don't see brown falling out of the top 10.

 

 

[pdxgreen]

Feel sorry for Tua.  His injury status and the fact he may needs a hip replacement in the future will sink him.  I'm also not dumb enough to think Herbert is more polished because he isn't.  But Herbert is going to be a decent QB based on whatever team drafts him.  If they don't have an Arians or put him with a Norv Turner type to mentor him then don't draft him.  If he hasn't had a decent OC up till now, don't expect him to carry you without one.  Herbert's stock is probably about the same as Love's honestly.  Find the right coach and sit him a year.

[Beerfish]

2 hours ago, Marshmello said:

I don't see brown falling out of the top 10.

 

 

Frig, we hear that every year about some 'disruptor' DT and the jets draft him half the time.

Teams should learn that unless this disruptor can sack the QB 14 times a year it is not at all worth it.

 

[ljr]

2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

I feel you, but it comes down to how much difference the Jets think there is between the top tackles. 

The guy I would probably take first is Wirfs, but imagine a scenario in which Wirfs, Wills, and Thomas are all gone and the Jets are staring at Becton (who, for the sake of argument, let's suppose they view as a bit of a project). Do they take Becton instead of their favorite WR? 

Obviously, they could trade down, but that is still kicking the can down the road a bit. 

depending on when 2 of those guys are gone you may have to push hard to move up to 7 or 9

[King P]

43 minutes ago, section314 said:

You ran a great draft for the fish in our mock.....what do you think? Gil is still pretty plugged in.

Gil's definitely still has sources.

I can see it, but ultimately I think they go QB at 5. I'm still high on a healthy Tua, so I think he should be the pick. But if they believe Jordan Love can be molded (I like his upside more than Herbert tbh) then why not go OT at 5 and Love at 18

[Marshmello]

23 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Frig, we hear that every year about some 'disruptor' DT and the jet draft him half the time.

Teams should learn that unless this disruptor can sack the QB 14 times a year it is not at all worth it.

 

How about "bowling ball with a butcher knife". We filled our quota drafting DT's  in the first round for the century.

[Paradis]

3 hours ago, section314 said:

Tell me if I'm off base here......1) isn't he fairly penalty prone? 2) no easy way to phrase this....didn't he basically come across as a dope at the combine?

i read in more than 1 spot that Wills came across pretty dumb in interviews... which isn't the kiss of death or anything since lots of these guys have cement between the ears, but it was bad enough that teams were concerned he'd not be able to keep up with concepts/offense... 

Take that for what's it worth - murmurs that guard would be less demanding mentally. 

[Lil O]

12 minutes ago, Paradis said:

i read in more than 1 spot that Wills came across pretty dumb in interviews... which isn't the kiss of death or anything since lots of these guys have cement between the ears, but it was bad enough that teams were concerned he'd not be able to keep up with concepts/offense... 

Take that for what's it worth - murmurs that guard would be less demanding mentally. 

As long as he can play I don’t need him to have a degree from MIT. Me: “Mr. Wills, what is your job?”...wills: “to pancake MoFos!”  

[jetsons]

1 hour ago, King P said:

 

Love Will be there @ 18... but I would be ALL for the fins wasting picks to move up to grab him.

[JoePNYJ1]

1 hour ago, pdxgreen said:

Feel sorry for Tua.  His injury status and the fact he may needs a hip replacement in the future will sink him.  I'm also not dumb enough to think Herbert is more polished because he isn't.  But Herbert is going to be a decent QB based on whatever team drafts him.  If they don't have an Arians or put him with a Norv Turner type to mentor him then don't draft him.  If he hasn't had a decent OC up till now, don't expect him to carry you without one.  Herbert's stock is probably about the same as Love's honestly.  Find the right coach and sit him a year.

Agree with Tua, but he is a guy that you don't bet against.  Any QB needy teams that pass on him will be sorry because I think he will figure it out with the injuries and become a very good QB in the NFL.

[Marshmello]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/14/mccaffrey-contract-buccaneers-qb-nfl-offseason-plan

 

• USC’s Austin Jackson is a name to file away for draft night. We all know who the top four tackles are (Mekhi Becton, Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Wills, Andrew Thomas). And since those four will likely be gone in the first 11 picks or so, tackle-hungry teams might get antsy and bite on the next one, particularly during a year in which big men might be considered less of a risk, under these different circumstances (it’s easier to go strictly on tape with linemen). The consensus is Jackson is that next one, and he’s done well through the pre-draft process to cement that.

 

 

 

 

[K_O_Brien]

The Jets, who own the Giants’ selection in the third round, also have a lot of interest in Hennessy. I am told if they select Hennessey, it would be to play center.  Newly signed free agent Connor McGovern would then slide over to guard, the position many thought he played his best football at while in Denver.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-draft-news-rumors-tony-pauline/2/

[pdxgreen]

45 minutes ago, JoePNYJ1 said:

Agree with Tua, but he is a guy that you don't bet against.  Any QB needy teams that pass on him will be sorry because I think he will figure it out with the injuries and become a very good QB in the NFL.

When your job's on the line and the team doctor has concerns then you do.  I've thought the kid was great ever since he was in HS but I understand why some are weary.  Injuries are always a key issue on franchise QBs.  As much a concern as Herbert not having the mindset of a QB.  Or Love throwing too many INTs.  There is no sure fire pick after Burrows.  It's whoever the other teams are willing to role the dice on.

[RobR]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

i read in more than 1 spot that Wills came across pretty dumb in interviews... which isn't the kiss of death or anything since lots of these guys have cement between the ears, but it was bad enough that teams were concerned he'd not be able to keep up with concepts/offense... 

Take that for what's it worth - murmurs that guard would be less demanding mentally. 

Wasn't he an Academic All American or something like that?

[Jetsfan80]

If front offices were able to get a closer look at Tua, would he be a lock to be the # 2 QB off the board?

In other words, is Herbert ONLY potentially rising above Tua because of his relative health?

It would be great to be in position to trade down from 11 with Tua on the board.  SOMEONE is going to fall in love with him regardless...

[nycdan]

Last year everyone thought the Giants could wait until 17 to draft Jones but they jumped on him at 6.  Even though we all laughed, there's a lesson here.  You don't gamble on QB.  If you want a guy, you draft him.  If MIA goes another way at 5 expecting to trade up for Love, it could get a LOT more expensive than they might hope.  Look at what IND got from us for moving up from 6 to 3 and that was well before the draft.  Raiders could just take him at 12.  TB might decide to park him behind Brady for a year or two at 14.  DEN should be thinking about it as well at 15.  And any of those teams might be willing to move up as well.  And if you're MIA and you are assuming you have more to offer than the rest of them, what happens if the needle falls on the Jets at 11?  I would take a LOT more from MIA for a trade-down, but they will have to overpay because otherwise, I'm giving the pick to one of the other teams.

Long-winded way of saying I don't believe for a moment that MIA is passing on a QB at 5.  

[slats]

1 hour ago, Lil O said:

As long as he can play I don’t need him to have a degree from MIT. Me: “Mr. Wills, what is your job?”...wills: “to pancake MoFos!”  

I get the joke, but offensive linemen are generally amongst the smartest members of your football team. Guys have to understand the whole offense as well as think on the fly. I’d be very wary about spending a high pick on an OL who failed to check the smarts’ box. 

[RobR]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

I get the joke, but offensive linemen are generally amongst the smartest members of your football team. Guys have to understand the whole offense as well as think on the fly. I’d be very wary about spending a high pick on an OL who failed to check the smarts’ box. 

He had a 3.52 GPA as a finance major and was one of only three Bama players to be awarded CoSIDA Academic All District.

[Paradis]

45 minutes ago, RobR said:

Wasn't he an Academic All American or something like that?

maybe, i dunno. That's just what i read - i don't have any strong opinions on the subject...

Speaking of strong opinions, this Becton footage got me horny. 

 

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

the Jets have been scouting Henry Ruggs III super hard since last fall 

and his 40 at Alabama Junior spring day 2019 was already stuff of legend  among the scouts. 

if Thomas or Becton are there at 11 it's JD's birthday. This is not a scenario the Jets should be worried about

I don't believe the Jets have as high a grade on Wills as everyone else.  But I've been wrong before. 

 only 4 teams REALLY need QB this offseason... like DIRE needs. CAR signed Bridgewater and JAX is going with Minshew. 

Cinci takes Burrow, if Miami and Chargers don't believe in these players they are falling to New England.

what's worrisome for the Jets at 11 is when there's a run on tackles.  If all three of these guys are 90+ prospect graded, why would any of them make it to 11? 

Then draft Jeudy and trade for Trent Williams 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

On 4/13/2020 at 4:10 PM, Beerfish said:

The New York Jets with the 11th pick in the 2020 NFL are proud to select, Kenneth Murray ILB Oklahoma.

[RobR]

9 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Speaking of strong opinions, this Becton footage got me horny.

I love that just about everybody on here is sleeping on him. As for me........

[Philc1]

Just now, RobR said:

I love that just about everybody on here is sleeping on him. As for me........

That will be me if Becton slips to 11

[Lil O]

41 minutes ago, slats said:

I get the joke, but offensive linemen are generally amongst the smartest members of your football team. Guys have to understand the whole offense as well as think on the fly. I’d be very wary about spending a high pick on an OL who failed to check the smarts’ box. 

I hear what you’re saying but I don’t know if I agree. I think the center needs to be intelligent and smart more so than the guard in tackles. But it seems to me that it’s no different then a wide receiver. They too need to be able to read defenses and adjust routes on the fly. And one example, Robbie Anderson is not the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Yet he is very talented receiver.

[King P]

Not super high on Biadasz, but if he drops to the 4th you have to take him. He's an absolute steal there.

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Tyler Biadasz may go lower than some thought

One player moving in the other direction on draft boards is Wisconsin center Tyler Biadasz.
At one point considered a potential top-40 selection, Biadasz has slipped into the late part of Day 2, and some teams feel he may drop into the fourth round. The reason? I’m told Biadasz was red-flagged for previous knee and hip issues.

More than a year ago at the 2019 Senior Bowl, I reported that a hip injury was part of the reason Biadasz did not enter the draft. I still grade the athletic center as a potential second-round choice, and if he is fully healthy, I believe Biadasz will eventually start on Sundays.