chirorob Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I started watching Baseball in 1980, so I'm making my all time team of players that I have seen. I can't tell you if Willie Mays was better than Mike Trout, I never really saw Willie play. Anyway.... Catcher Pudge Rodriguez 1B Big Hurt Frank Thomas 2B Roberto "Thems Spitting Words" Alomar SS Alex Rodriguez 3B Wade "I'll order chicken" Boggs DH Edgar Martinez OF Kenneth Griffey Jr. OF Mike Trout OF Rickey Henderson SP1 Pedro SP2 Roger Clemens SP3 Verlander SP4 Mussina Swing Man Eck Closer Mo Batting Order Rickey (R), Trout (R), Griffey (L), Thomas (R), A Rod (R), Edgar (R), Boggs (L), Pudge (R), Roberto (S) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 Also note, this is only what players did in the AL, so Randy Johnson's Arizona years don't count, and only what they did after 1980. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Ortiz over Edgar. Easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 and how's this for the NL, same period ... P: Madduxx (Gary, not Mike), Kershaw, Randy Johnson, deGrom CL: Billy Wagner C: Piazza 1B; Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Larry Jones OF: Bonds (Barry, not Bobby), Larry Walker, Tony Gwynn no DH of course, this is the NL where they play real baseball :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 13 hours ago, The Crimson King said: and how's this for the NL, same period ... P: Madduxx (Gary, not Mike), Kershaw, Randy Johnson, deGrom CL: Billy Wagner ? Piazza 1B; Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Larry Jones OF: Bonds (Barry, not Bobby), Larry Walker, Tony Gwynn no DH of course, this is the NL where they play real baseball Wasn't it Ralph Kiner who said " 2/3 of the world is covered by water, the other 1/3 by Gary Maddox" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, section314 said: Wasn't it Ralph Kiner who said " 2/3 of the world is covered by water, the other 1/3 by Gary Maddox" ? ooooops Greg Madduxx not Gary was THE pitcher of the era. Now that was a real Kinerism. I remember that quote on Gary, it might have been true ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 9:08 PM, The Crimson King said: and how's this for the NL, same period ... P: Madduxx (Gary, not Mike), Kershaw, Randy Johnson, deGrom CL: Billy Wagner ? Piazza 1B; Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Larry Jones OF: Bonds (Barry, not Bobby), Larry Walker, Tony Gwynn no DH of course, this is the NL where they play real baseball You take DeGrom over Scherzer and over Glavine (2 CY Young, 2 2nd place CY Young, 2 3rd place CY Young, 300 career wins) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, chirorob said: You take DeGrom over Scherzer and over Glavine (2 CY Young, 2 2nd place CY Young, 2 3rd place CY Young, 300 career wins) Well you can't count Scherzer's Tigers years (remember it's an NL list) but I see your point anyway. Pretty close in most stats except wins (deGrom with way less support) Glavine I am still mad at for the last game of 2007, but yeah, I see your point there too Then again, maybe we should add Tom Seaver to the list. Although he was past his prime by 1980 and only won a few NL games after that, he makes way better wine than any of the pitchers mentioned so far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, The Crimson King said: Well you can't count Scherzer's Tigers years (remember it's an NL list) but I see your point anyway. Pretty close in most stats except wins (deGrom with way less support) Glavine I am still mad at for the last game of 2007, but yeah, I see your point there too Then again, maybe we should add Tom Seaver to the list. Although he was past his prime by 1980 and only won a few NL games after that, he makes way better wine than any of the pitchers mentioned so far Scherzer agree, can't count that AL cy young. Seaver and Carlton were 2 giants, but were mainly done before 1980. I was at Seavers 300th. I believe it was Phil Rizzuto day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 7:30 PM, CrazyCarl40 said: Ortiz over Edgar. Easily. With or without steroids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 10:08 PM, The Crimson King said: and how's this for the NL, same period ... P: Madduxx (Gary, not Mike), Kershaw, Randy Johnson, deGrom CL: Billy Wagner ? Piazza 1B; Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Larry Jones OF: Bonds (Barry, not Bobby), Larry Walker, Tony Gwynn no DH of course, this is the NL where they play real baseball You consider Piazza a catcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Philc1 said: With or without steroids? We gonna do that for every position or nah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: You consider Piazza a catcher? well if you are considering defense, then Yadier Molina, but Molina's lifetime WAR is about 40 while Piazza's is about 60 In any event, neither are Johnny Bench, but he doesn't qualify for the since 1980. So in lieu thereof, best that I've seen at each position (NL): P: Koufax, Seaver, Gibson, Maddux CL: Sutter C Bench 1B: Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Schmidt OF: Mays OF: Aaron OF: Barry Bonds (Frank Robinson if you are on the anti-Bonds train) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 hours ago, The Crimson King said: well if you are considering defense, then Yadier Molina, but Molina's lifetime WAR is about 40 while Piazza's is about 60 In any event, neither are Johnny Bench, but he doesn't qualify for the since 1980. So in lieu thereof, best that I've seen at each position (NL): P: Koufax, Seaver, Gibson, Maddux CL: Sutter C Bench 1B: Pujols 2B; Sandberg SS: Ozzie Smith 3B: Schmidt OF: Mays OF: Aaron OF: Barry Bonds (Frank Robinson if you are on the anti-Bonds train) Agree with most of your guys, would change these three. Carlton for Maddux Morgan for Sandberg Clemente or Gwynn for Bonds.....just can't stomach him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, section314 said: Agree with most of your guys, would change these three. Carlton for Maddux Morgan for Sandberg Clemente or Gwynn for Bonds.....just can't stomach him. Good call on Morgan Was thinking about Clemente & F. Robby as 3rd OF. Thought someone would not like the idea of Bonds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Crimson King said: Good call on Morgan Was thinking about Clemente & F. Robby as 3rd OF. Thought someone would not like the idea of Bonds. Knowing you, I'll bet Joel Youngblood got some votes.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, section314 said: Knowing you, I'll bet Joel Youngblood got some votes.? … and Hubie Brooks ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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