One Big Fat Jamal Adams Thread, It's All The Same Discussion, Anyway (MERGED ELEVENTY-BILLION)

[choon328]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

But 46% of HOFers come from first round!

Pro Bowl in their rookie year.  You should read more carefully.  Jamal wasn't even a rookie Pro Bowler

[Defense Wins Championships]

Joe Douglas wants S Jamal Adams to be a ‘New York Jet for life’

By Kyle Newman - On 04/20/2020

"Joe Douglas said the plan was to “connect” with Jamal Adams after the free agency & the NFL Draft. Sounds like that’s still the plan #Jets"

"Douglas said his plan is to make Adams a Jets for life ,adds his plan is to not move any players during the draft. #Jets"

 

PUT THAT IN YOUR GREEN PIPE AND SMOKE IT 

[jgb]

58 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Pro Bowl in their rookie year.  You should read more carefully.  Jamal wasn't even a rookie Pro Bowler

What’s love got to do with it? Got to do with it?

[jgb]

9 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Joe Douglas wants S Jamal Adams to be a ‘New York Jet for life’

By Kyle Newman - On 04/20/2020

"Joe Douglas said the plan was to “connect” with Jamal Adams after the free agency & the NFL Draft. Sounds like that’s still the plan #Jets"

"Douglas said his plan is to make Adams a Jets for life ,adds his plan is to not move any players during the draft. #Jets"

 

PUT THAT IN YOUR GREEN PIPE AND SMOKE IT 

But we should dump him for casino chips

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

But we should dump him for casino chips

Comp me the buffet and you got a deal pal! 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Comp me the buffet and you got a deal pal! 

Thing of the past my friend but you can get a 5% off voucher to Criss Angel if you play your cards right. Zing!

[The Crusher]

13 minutes ago, jgb said:

Thing of the past my friend but you can get a 5% off voucher to Criss Angel if you play your cards right. Zing!

I know, I was just trying to feel it again. 

[T0mShane]

29 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Joe Douglas wants S Jamal Adams to be a ‘New York Jet for life’

By Kyle Newman - On 04/20/2020

"Joe Douglas said the plan was to “connect” with Jamal Adams after the free agency & the NFL Draft. Sounds like that’s still the plan #Jets"

"Douglas said his plan is to make Adams a Jets for life ,adds his plan is to not move any players during the draft. #Jets"

 

PUT THAT IN YOUR GREEN PIPE AND SMOKE IT 

“I’ve made it known that the plan would be for Jamal to be here long term,” Douglas said. “And again, I’ve also made it known that I have to do what’s in the best interests of this team. If other teams call to talk about players, I’ll listen. But heading into this draft, my intent isn’t to move any players. But if a team calls, we’re gonna have conversations.”

[T0mShane]

Warm up the bus, babyyyyyy

[Jamax99]

On 4/17/2020 at 8:43 AM, Untouchable said:

Imagine having #11 and #17

Andrew Thomas and Jefferson/Mims sounds pretty damn sweet right about now.

Thomas and Cee lamb be better lol  would have to get into top 14 for that also means we have extra 15-17 m to throw at a passrusher. God knows he wants to be highest paid safety. 

[choon328]

22 minutes ago, jgb said:

But we should dump him for casino chips

GMs always tip their draft plans 3 days before said draft. 

[Mogglez]

42 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

By Kyle Newman - On 04/20/2020

He was probably high.

[Mogglez]

 

[ECURB]

Well some JETS fans are just as allergic to talented players as the JETS are I guess.

@TomShane who starts at SS when you dump Jamal anyways? Also how do you tell Gregg Williams his best defender is gone and the secondary hates the FO? Gase can’t control that whole thing on top of it all too.

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, ECURB said:

Well some JETS fans are just as allergic to talented players as the JETS are I guess.

@TomShane who starts at SS when you dump Jamal anyways? Also how do you tell Gregg Williams his best defender is gone and the secondary hates the FO? Gase can’t control that whole thing on top of it all too.

1. I will GUARANTEE you that 85% of that locker room will be high-fiving when Adams gets dealt. He’ll have a few disgruntled hangers-on left in the room but, for the most part, that personality will have grated on everyone. 
 

2. The second you deal Adams, you sign Logan Ryan whose 2019 stat line blows Adams’ stats out of the water. From there, you let Gregg Williams decide who to play where, then you draft him another CB and an OLB and tell him to figure it out. 
 

3. Williams is also getting CJ Mosely back, who is far and away their best defensive player.

[Mogglez]

7 minutes ago, ECURB said:

Well some JETS fans are just as allergic to talented players as the JETS are I guess.

@TomShane who starts at SS when you dump Jamal anyways? Also how do you tell Gregg Williams his best defender is gone and the secondary hates the FO? Gase can’t control that whole thing on top of it all too.

Tony Jefferson could be had, for half the price, tomorrow.

How many teams have given a SS a significant portion of their cap space, with holes up and down the roster, and won a Super Bowl?

[GREENBEAN]

21 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Honestly, I don't think so.  

I'm not expert on the guy, but I was seriously thinking at him in the JN mock and almost everything I read about him matched what sec101row23 said - tight.  He doesn't seem that natural in the secondary.  OTOH, he does have good ball skills.  As a box safety or hybrid guy he might be okay, but I don't think he is going to be a straight safety.  His agility numbers seem pretty good, IIRC, but apparently that doesn't mean that he can actually turn his hips and run.  That was why I felt the Mays comparision.  Mays was big and fast and I think his agility numbers were good, but on the field he was too linear.  

Gotcha.  I think he will probably be a 6th 0r 7th rdr. If he makes it to UDFA I would LOVE to grab him . 

[#27TheDominator]

58 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Gotcha.  I think he will probably be a 6th 0r 7th rdr. If he makes it to UDFA I would LOVE to grab him . 

He made the end in the JN mock.   I think he will be picked some time on Saturday afternoon.

[GREENBEAN]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

He made the end in the JN mock.   I think he will be picked some time on Saturday afternoon.

Right. I see it the same way.  Like I think you said earlier, he is almost guaranteed to be a good ST guy at minimum so to have that type of player who could be a solid reserve and a steady ST contributor isn't the worst late rd pick. That has it's own value.  I don't think they let the ST coach in the room until the 5th rd any way lol 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, jgb said:

But we should dump him for casino chips

Everything GM's say is truthful, always.  

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

I always thought that the criticism for Adams on this site and by Jets fans was ridiculous and unwarranted. Now I have lost all respect for him and couldn't care if he is traded. But it has nothing to do with what position he plays or how well he has played his first three seasons. I think he is a great player.  However, I am appalled about how he is acting NOW.  In the middle of the greatest crisis this country has faced in at least 80 years and maybe ever.......when the NY metro area where he plays has been by far the hardest hit...... A man who will make $3.5 million this year has the audacity and incredible selfishness to complain about that??????   He will be lucky to play this season and earn that money.  And he already has earned enough money to set him up for life with a $22 million in guaranteed money.  Adams needs to be reminded that tens of thousands of people in this country have died and more will die. Many many more are and will get sick and fight for their lives.   20 million people have lost jobs and millions are struggling to put food on the table for their families and the economic consequences of this crisis are only going to get worse until we figure out how to test millions of people and find the asymptomatic carriers, find treatments for a disease that has no cure, and find a vaccine that works.  People these days are happy if they are alive, physically and mentally healthy, have a roof over their heads, food on the table, and a job that continues to pay them.  

The sacrifice by health care workers, first responders,  and supermarket employees making 5 figure salaries is incredible. So many people are risking their lives and health for others ..... and we are supposed to care if Adams gets an extension when he already makes an absurd amount of money?????  Adams needs to shut up now and get down on his knees and thank God for what he has.  He needs to let the public know that he knows how incredibly lucky he is and do whatever it takes to get ready for the season (if there is a season) and be prepared to , if he is the leader he says he is, take on a community based and charitable role to help those in need either here in NY/NJ  or in Louisiana or elsewhere.  

Otherwise, he is nothing but another horrible human being who cares only for himself, and I have no use for such incredibly selfish people who are not willing to acknowledge this crisis and make the necessary sacrifices for the greater good right now.  If he continues this nonsense through Thursday, trade his selfish clueless ass.  

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Tony Jefferson could be had, for half the price, tomorrow.

How many teams have given a SS a significant portion of their cap space, with holes up and down the roster, and won a Super Bowl?

Well that's because SB teams don't (ever) win if having holes up and down their roster, to begin with (HELLO). 

But stop your lying. 

Because I can name and list you off at least 15 SB winning teams (who've featured either Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or Hall of Fame Strong Safety's) within their Super Winning Roster(s) over just the past 25 SB victories (well over 50%). 

Dating back to 1994 (25 seasons ago)

1.) San Francisco 49ers (1994).

Tim McDonald.

(6x Pro Bowler). 

2.) Dallas Cowboys (1995).

Darren Woodson.

(5x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

3.) Green Bay Packers (1996). 

LeRoy Butler.

(4x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro).

4.) Denver Broncos (1998).

Tony Braxton. 

(1x Pro Bowler). 

5.) St. Louis Rams (1999). 

Todd Lyght (SS/CB).

(1x Pro Bowl).

6.) N.E Patriots (2001). 

Lawyer Milloy. 

(4x Pro Bowler - 1x All-Pro).

7.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002). 

John Lynch. 

(9x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro).

8.) New England Patriots (2003). 

Rodney Harrison. 

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

9.) New England Patriots (2004). 

Rodney Harrison.

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

10.) Pittsburgh Steelers (2005). 

Troy Polamalu. 

(8x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

11.) Indianapolis Colts (2006).

Bob Sanders

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

12.) Pittsburgh Steelers (2008). 

Troy Polamalu

(8x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

13.) New Orleans Saints (2009). 

Roman Harper. 

(2x Pro Bowler). 

14.) Seattle Seahawks (2013). 

Kam Chancellor. 

(4x Pro Bowler). 

15.) Kansas City Chiefs (2019). 

Tyrann Mathieu

(1x Pro Bowl - 2x All-Pro). 

15 of the NFL's previous 25 SB Winning Teams (.600%) have all featured a Starting Strong Safety with either Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or Hall of Fame honors.

Regardless of which era or which generation we're referring to etc it just doesn't matter; as the SS position has always been a winning position on Defense (and an impactful one too). 

• You could even list off great Strong Safety's from both the 1970's Steel Curtain Pittsburgh Steelers D with Mike Wagner (4x SB Champion @ SS & 2x Pro Bowler)

• and/or even the greatest defense of All-Time the 85' Bears who featured a 3x Pro Bowler in Dave Duerson (SS, 85' Bears). 

• The only undefeated team 72 Dolphins had a great one @ SS in Dick Anderson (3x Pro Bowl - 2x All Pro).

Etc. 

The Strong Safety position will always be valued as a historical defensive position although losing (and liar) Jet fans wouldn't understand nor comprehend and that's because you guys don't know or even remember what winning football looks like anymore...

However Pittsburgh of the 70s, Chicago of the 80s, San Francisco, Dallas and Green Bay throughout the 1990's all kept themselves an impact Strong Safety as did the Buccaneers, Patriots, Colts and Steelers throughout the entire 2000s-2010s followed by Seattle/K.C as of very recently (as recent as lol 2019). 

[Defense Wins Championships]

31 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

I always thought that the criticism for Adams on this site and by Jets fans was ridiculous and unwarranted. Now I have lost all respect for him and couldn't care if he is traded. But it has nothing to do with what position he plays or how well he has played his first three seasons. I think he is a great player.  However, I am appalled about how he is acting NOW.  In the middle of the greatest crisis this country has faced in at least 80 years and maybe ever.......when the NY metro area where he plays has been by far the hardest hit...... A man who will make $3.5 million this year has the audacity and incredible selfishness to complain about that??????   He will be lucky to play this season and earn that money.  And he already has earned enough money to set him up for life with a $22 million in guaranteed money.  Adams needs to be reminded that tens of thousands of people in this country have died and more will die. Many many more are and will get sick and fight for their lives.   20 million people have lost jobs and millions are struggling to put food on the table for their families and the economic consequences of this crisis are only going to get worse until we figure out how to test millions of people and find the asymptomatic carriers, find treatments for a disease that has no cure, and find a vaccine that works.  People these days are happy if they are alive, physically and mentally healthy, have a roof over their heads, food on the table, and a job that continues to pay them.  

The sacrifice by health care workers, first responders,  and supermarket employees making 5 figure salaries is incredible. So many people are risking their lives and health for others ..... and we are supposed to care if Adams gets an extension when he already makes an absurd amount of money?????  Adams needs to shut up now and get down on his knees and thank God for what he has.  He needs to let the public know that he knows how incredibly lucky he is and do whatever it takes to get ready for the season (if there is a season) and be prepared to , if he is the leader he says he is, take on a community based and charitable role to help those in need either here in NY/NJ  or in Louisiana or elsewhere.  

Otherwise, he is nothing but another horrible human being who cares only for himself, and I have no use for such incredibly selfish people who are not willing to acknowledge this crisis and make the necessary sacrifices for the greater good right now.  If he continues this nonsense through Thursday, trade his selfish clueless ass.  

Lol you sound like a weird Jets fan drama queen. 

Tom Brady just got signed for $100M and STILL talking about branding his TB nickname down here in Tampa Bay (during the middle of a crisis) 

and 

Christian Mccaffrey just accepted sixty million ala $60,000,000M throughout the heart of a world wide pandemic (greedy bastard he is). 

Dak Prescott, Joe Mixon, Yannick Ngakoue, Alvin Kamara and Joey Bosa are all 5 expected to HOLD OUT (during Coronavirus)

so how about you go send those 5 devil worshipers (above) to hell and wake me up once Jamal Adams actually holds out as #24 Revis (or hundreds of others). 

[Mogglez]

13 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Well that's because SB teams don't (ever) win if having holes up and down their roster, to begin with (HELLO). 

But stop your lying. 

Because I can name and list you off at least 15 SB winning teams (who've featured either Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or Hall of Fame Strong Safety's) within their Super Winning Roster(s) over just the past 25 SB victories (well over 50%). 

Dating back to 1994 (25 seasons ago)

1.) San Francisco 49ers (1994).

Tim McDonald.

(6x Pro Bowler). 

2.) Dallas Cowboys (1995).

Darren Woodson.

(5x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

3.) Green Bay Packers (1996). 

LeRoy Butler.

(4x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro).

4.) Denver Broncos (1998).

Tony Braxton. 

(1x Pro Bowler). 

5.) St. Louis Rams (1999). 

Todd Lyght (SS/CB).

(1x Pro Bowl).

6.) N.E Patriots (2001). 

Lawyer Milloy. 

(4x Pro Bowler - 1x All-Pro).

7.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002). 

John Lynch. 

(9x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro).

8.) New England Patriots (2003). 

Rodney Harrison. 

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

9.) New England Patriots (2004). 

Rodney Harrison.

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

10.) Pittsburgh Steelers (2005). 

Troy Polamalu. 

(8x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

11.) Indianapolis Colts (2006).

Bob Sanders

(2x Pro Bowler - 2x All-Pro). 

12.) Pittsburgh Steelers (2008). 

Troy Polamalu

(8x Pro Bowler - 4x All-Pro). 

13.) New Orleans Saints (2009). 

Roman Harper. 

(2x Pro Bowler). 

14.) Seattle Seahawks (2013). 

Kam Chancellor. 

(4x Pro Bowler). 

15.) Kansas City Chiefs (2019). 

Tyrann Mathieu

(1x Pro Bowl - 2x All-Pro). 

15 of the NFL's previous 25 SB Winning Teams (.600%) have all featured a Starting Strong Safety with either Pro Bowl, All-Pro and/or Hall of Fame honors.

Regardless of which era or which generation we're referring to etc it just doesn't matter; as the SS position has always been a winning position on Defense (and an impactful one too). 

• You could even list off great Strong Safety's from both the 1970's Steel Curtain Pittsburgh Steelers D with Mike Wagner (4x SB Champion @ SS & 2x Pro Bowler)

• and/or even the greatest defense of All-Time the 85' Bears who featured a 3x Pro Bowler in Dave Duerson (SS, 85' Bears). 

• The only undefeated team 72 Dolphins had a great one @ SS in Dick Anderson (3x Pro Bowl - 2x All Pro).

Etc. 

The Strong Safety position will always be valued as a historical defensive position although losing (and liar) Jet fans wouldn't understand nor comprehend and that's because you guys don't know or even remember what winning football looks like anymore...

However Pittsburgh of the 70s, Chicago of the 80s, San Francisco, Dallas and Green Bay throughout the 1990's all kept themselves an impact Strong Safety as did the Buccaneers, Patriots, Colts and Steelers throughout the entire 2000s-2010s followed by Seattle/K.C as of very recently (as recent as lol 2019). 

No sh*t that teams with holes don't make the SB.

Thanks for completely ignoring my point of "...paying a SS a significant portion of their cap". Let's look at the last 3 of those players on this list:

Mathieu - was on a cheapish contract.

Chancellor - Rookie contract

Harper - Rookie contract

 

[Defense Wins Championships]

13 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No sh*t that teams with holes don't make the SB.

Thanks for completely ignoring my point of "...paying a SS a significant portion of their cap". Let's look at the last 3 of those players on this list:

Mathieu - was on a cheapish contract.

Chancellor - Rookie contract

Harper - Rookie contract

 

2020 under contract. 

2021 5th year team option. 

2022 Franchise Tag. 

Jamal Adams - Rookie contract until 2023, genius. 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

2020 under contract. 

2021 5th year team option. 

2022 Franchise Tag. 

Jamal Adams - Rookie contract until 2023, genius. 

You....you do realize that the whole friggin' issue were dealing with right now is Adams wants a new contract sooner rather than later, right?  You do also realize that a decision to pay him or trade him will likely need to be made before the rookie deal is up? 3rd, rookie contract money is not Franchise tag money.  He becomes pricey at that.

Lastly, If you think Jamal isn't going to throw a sh*t fit in 2021 and 2022 over not having long term money, you are out of your mind. 

[jgb]

6 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Tony Jefferson could be had, for half the price, tomorrow.

How many teams have given a SS a significant portion of their cap space, with holes up and down the roster, and won a Super Bowl?

False equivalency. No team has won a SB with "holes up and down the roster." And there is only one way to fill holes: one at a time, preferably without making new holes as you go along.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

6 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Lol you sound like a weird Jets fan drama queen. 

Tom Brady just got signed for $100M and STILL talking about branding his TB nickname down here in Tampa Bay (during the middle of a crisis) 

and 

Christian Mccaffrey just accepted sixty million ala $60,000,000M throughout the heart of a world wide pandemic (greedy bastard he is). 

Dak Prescott, Joe Mixon, Yannick Ngakoue, Alvin Kamara and Joey Bosa are all 5 expected to HOLD OUT (during Coronavirus)

so how about you go send those 5 devil worshipers (above) to hell and wake me up once Jamal Adams actually holds out as #24 Revis (or hundreds of others). 

The players holding out are just as bad, but aren’t Jets. Nobody ever accused Brady of having one iota of altruism, and he is and has always was a self absorbed, whiny jerk.  Did McCafffey tweet every day about being disrespected ?

 

[#27TheDominator]

Another thing people around here do that is dopey is act like having the ability to use the franchise tag equates with "having a player under contract."   It does not.  It is expensive, the player does not have to sign it and players are rarely happy about it.  You can only use it once.  What if the Jets need the tag to use on Herndon or Fatukasi?  Okay, trading away all our picks and being sh*tty at drafting makes that unlikely, but still...Yes, it gives a slight measure of extra team control, but it is not part of the player's contract.  In this case, the only thing I could see coming from it would be giving us time to trade him before the 2022 draft.

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Another thing people around here do that is dopey is act like having the ability to use the franchise tag equates with "having a player under contract."   It does not.  It is expensive, the player does not have to sign it and players are rarely happy about it.  You can only use it once.  What if the Jets need the tag to use on Herndon or Fatukasi?  Okay, trading away all our picks and being sh*tty at drafting makes that unlikely, but still...Yes, it gives a slight measure of extra team control, but it is not part of the player's contract.  In this case, the only thing I could see coming from it would be giving us time to trade him before the 2022 draft.

The idea that Adams is going to let Douglas drag this out another two years with tags is Adams-stan fan fiction anyway.

[slats]

4 hours ago, jgb said:

False equivalency. No team has won a SB with "holes up and down the roster." And there is only one way to fill holes: one at a time, preferably without making new holes as you go along.

Or you need to manage those holes you create. You wouldn't want to trade your stud LT, Edge, or WR for picks because those are premium positions that are difficult holes to fill. Your strong safety? Not quite as difficult to fill that spot with a live body. 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

Or you need to manage those holes you create. You wouldn't want to trade your stud LT, Edge, or WR for picks because those are premium positions that are difficult holes to fill. Your strong safety? Not quite as difficult to fill that spot with a live body. 

I think we over-estimate exactly what we will get in trade for Adams and then what type of player we are likely to get with those pick(s). If you whiff, you turned one hole into two. Again, all for trading an elite SS for an above-average LT but I'd need a helluva draft haul to feel good about unloading any all pro player.

[JetsFanatic]

15 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The idea that Adams is going to let Douglas drag this out another two years with tags is Adams-stan fan fiction anyway.

He's not. He will be signed during this off season.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

He's not. He will be signed during this off season.

By Jerry.

[Mogglez]

5 hours ago, jgb said:

False equivalency. No team has won a SB with "holes up and down the roster." And there is only one way to fill holes: one at a time, preferably without making new holes as you go along.

You can't fill those holes, at any rate, while paying a SS 18 million per year.