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I saw this posted somewhere and found interesting 

 

Denzel Mims is Stephen Hill. 

They look identical on film: They run the same, they both aren't good route runners, they both struggled with drops, both are excellent blockers, and they both struggled with contested catches against talented competition. 

Stephen Hill:
6'4" 210lbs
40 time: 4.36 (97th)
Speed score:  (99th)
Burst score: (95th)
Catch radius: (95th)
Breakout age: 19
College dominator: (44.9)

Denzel Mims: 
6'3" 207lbs
40 time: 4.38 (96th)
Speed score: (96th)
Burst score: (90th)
Catch Radius: (96th)
Breakout age: 19
College Dominator: (42.3)

They both even wore number 5 in college

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The difference is the offenses the two played in. 

Georgia Tech ran a spread option and ran the ball A LOT.  

Baylor has a complex hybrid spread offense where they pass the ball A LOT. 

Who knows but Mims should have a much better understanding of the WR position. 

But yeah, this is interesting, their measurables are scarily similar.  

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47 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

I saw this posted somewhere and found interesting 

 

Denzel Mims is Stephen Hill. 

They look identical on film: They run the same, they both aren't good route runners, they both struggled with drops, both are excellent blockers, and they both struggled with contested catches against talented competition. 

Stephen Hill:
6'4" 210lbs
40 time: 4.36 (97th)
Speed score:  (99th)
Burst score: (95th)
Catch radius: (95th)
Breakout age: 19
College dominator: (44.9)

Denzel Mims: 
6'3" 207lbs
40 time: 4.38 (96th)
Speed score: (96th)
Burst score: (90th)
Catch Radius: (96th)
Breakout age: 19
College Dominator: (42.3)

They both even wore number 5 in college

I personally don't see it. Mims has way better ball skills from what I've seen imo. 

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1 hour ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

I personally don't see it. Mims has way better ball skills from what I've seen imo. 

Absolutely 

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Yeah I firmly disagree that Mims struggled with contested catches the way Hill did. Way better ball skills. More physical too.

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3 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

Identical.

 

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I Hope that's sarcasm

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5 hours ago, jetsons said:

I Hope that's sarcasm

Yes, Jetsons.
Hill’s total reception count for his three year stay at Georgia Tech (49) was bested on the yearly by Mims.  And before someone tells me that’s a function of the respective offenses they were in, let me say that that is my point. Stephen Hill was a physical specimen who lacked the polish one gets from being a focal point of their offense.  Mims, according to OP is the same physical specimen, but with in-game experience, which makes them NOT identical. 

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18 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Absolutely 

Better comparison for me anyways is Braylon Edwards I see a lot of Braylon in his game

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19 hours ago, derp said:

Yeah I firmly disagree that Mims struggled with contested catches the way Hill did. Way better ball skills. More physical too.

Mims is like Stephen Hill but with talent 

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On 4/18/2020 at 9:26 PM, nyjbuddy said:

Difference?  One is arrogant, self centered and believes nothing is in his control to make the situation better.  The other is out there, trying to get better, is motivated, has something to prove.  Plays for his teammates, not for himself.  Believes that he can control his destiny.  Mims' optimism and drive could change after two years in the league, but if he just keeps the same mindset and drive he will be fine in the NFL.

No offense to your research, but this a flat out crock of sh*t.  HIll disappeared because of a couple of very serious knee injuries.  Cam Newton was in love with him and Ricky Proehl said he was going to start opposite Kelvin Benjamin on the 2015 team that went 15-1 and lost the super bowl.  Proehl said Hill was going to make him a famous WR coach. They specifically complimented Hill's work ethic and drive in numerous articles during his time in Carolina.  The guys body just didn't hold up.

 

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As shown the production is the difference.  

The guy I would compare to hill, not body wise but production wise is Ruggs.  I know people will get bent out of shape me saying that.  He is a guy I would worry about being over drafted due to recent similar player bias.

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25 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As shown the production is the difference.  

The guy I would compare to hill, not body wise but production wise is Ruggs.  I know people will get bent out of shape me saying that.  He is a guy I would worry about being over drafted due to recent similar player bias.

I'm with you on this. It's Lam Jones, the sequel. And we all know sequels are never as good as the original.

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11 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Mims can catch a football. 

Stephen Hill couldn’t catch the clap in a brothel

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Crazy how far Mims has fallen, maybe the scouts have put this comparison together also

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How can someone be really good at the 3-cone drill, and really bad at the 20 yard shuttle?  I thought they both tested similar things.

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Mims was a steal. It’s crazy that people are crapping on him at 59! 

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51 minutes ago, thshadow said:

How can someone be really good at the 3-cone drill, and really bad at the 20 yard shuttle?  I thought they both tested similar things.

The shuttle measures start-stop, the 3-cone measures ability to accelerate while changing direction

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17 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Crazy how far Mims has fallen, maybe the scouts have put this comparison together also

Every year a stud WR falls to round 2

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15 hours ago, static14 said:

Mims was a steal. It’s crazy that people are crapping on him at 59! 

I don’t get it

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On 4/19/2020 at 2:07 PM, jetstream23 said:

I would take ANY of those 3 assuming we got an OT first.

Feels good, Stream! Good call!

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On 4/20/2020 at 6:46 PM, Philc1 said:

Stephen Hill couldn’t catch the clap in a brothel

2 TDs in his first game as a Jet, bizarrely.

Both body catches, where he left his feet for no good reason.

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6 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

2 TDs in his first game as a Jet, bizarrely.

Both body catches, where he left his feet for no good reason.

Hill was awful. Anyone comparing Mims to Hill has either never watched them both play football or doesn't know what they're looking at. Seriously.

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30 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Hill was awful. Anyone comparing Mims to Hill has either never watched them both play football or doesn't know what they're looking at. Seriously.

Hill was a case of people getting caught up in his height/weight/speed numbers and ignoring the fact that he couldn't change direction or catch the ball.

Mims is also tall and fast, but that's where the similarity ends.

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