Rhg1084 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 I saw this posted somewhere and found interesting Denzel Mims is Stephen Hill. They look identical on film: They run the same, they both aren't good route runners, they both struggled with drops, both are excellent blockers, and they both struggled with contested catches against talented competition. Stephen Hill: 6'4" 210lbs 40 time: 4.36 (97th) Speed score: (99th) Burst score: (95th) Catch radius: (95th) Breakout age: 19 College dominator: (44.9) Denzel Mims: 6'3" 207lbs 40 time: 4.38 (96th) Speed score: (96th) Burst score: (90th) Catch Radius: (96th) Breakout age: 19 College Dominator: (42.3) They both even wore number 5 in college 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 The difference is the offenses the two played in. Georgia Tech ran a spread option and ran the ball A LOT. Baylor has a complex hybrid spread offense where they pass the ball A LOT. Who knows but Mims should have a much better understanding of the WR position. But yeah, this is interesting, their measurables are scarily similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSALLDAY24X Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: I saw this posted somewhere and found interesting Denzel Mims is Stephen Hill. They look identical on film: They run the same, they both aren't good route runners, they both struggled with drops, both are excellent blockers, and they both struggled with contested catches against talented competition. Stephen Hill: 6'4" 210lbs 40 time: 4.36 (97th) Speed score: (99th) Burst score: (95th) Catch radius: (95th) Breakout age: 19 College dominator: (44.9) Denzel Mims: 6'3" 207lbs 40 time: 4.38 (96th) Speed score: (96th) Burst score: (90th) Catch Radius: (96th) Breakout age: 19 College Dominator: (42.3) They both even wore number 5 in college I personally don't see it. Mims has way better ball skills from what I've seen imo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, JETSALLDAY24X said: I personally don't see it. Mims has way better ball skills from what I've seen imo. Absolutely 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Yeah I firmly disagree that Mims struggled with contested catches the way Hill did. Way better ball skills. More physical too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Yea and Mims actually played WR in college. Look at the receptions/yards/td's and you'll see the two don't compare. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nyjbuddy Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/stephen-hill-doesn-t-seem-too-worried-about-being-cut-1.9178969 - paywall August 29th, 2014 Newsday article after the Jets fourth preseason game and a day before he is cut titled: "Stephen Hill doesn't seem too worried about being cut". Asked if he's earned a spot on the Jets' 53-man roster, the wide receiver flashed a puzzled look. "Yeah? Like, I don't know why I shouldn't. But yeah," Hill said, giggling. So what exactly makes him so confident? "Honestly -- next question," he said, laughing again. "Next question." "No disrespect, but that's why they're on the outside," he said, referring to those who think his roster spot's in danger. "They're not in this locker room, they're not playing. That's all I can honestly tell you. "It's just my job to go out there and play. And that's what I'm getting done out there now," he said. "... I just worry about myself, what I put out on the field. I can't control those things. Things happen. I don't know what's going on. Just like the other guys. I'm just out here playing." https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2020/04/07/nfl-draft-prospects-2020-denzel-mims-baylor-interview/ From an April 7th 2020 article titled: "Meet Denzel Mims, the next generation of Baylor WR prospects." JM: You had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl back in January. Why did you accept the invite? Did you feel like you had something to prove? DM: I most definitely felt like I had something to prove. That’s the reason I went out there. I just really wanted to show everybody that I’m one of the best players in the country. I’ve always had that chip on my shoulder. I knew that some people were doubting me. I still have doubters today. There’s a lot of people out there who don’t think that I’m a good wide receiver. They mention that I went to Baylor and Baylor wide receivers never pan out at the next level. I just wanted to go out there and show that I’m cut from a different cloth. Things are different at Baylor now. I’m one of the best players in the country, and I believe I’ve proved that throughout this process. JM: How do you describe the way that you play the wide receiver position? What are you trying to achieve on a snap-by-snap basis? DM: I’m really just trying to be a great teammate on every snap. Whatever that means to my coach and to my teammates, that’s what I’m trying to do. I’m going out there to do what I was coached to do. I’m doing what I need to do. My assignment is my goal. I wanna go out there and block for my teammates. If my number gets called, I’m gonna make a play on the ball. Difference? One is arrogant, self centered and believes nothing is in his control to make the situation better. The other is out there, trying to get better, is motivated, has something to prove. Plays for his teammates, not for himself. Believes that he can control his destiny. Mims' optimism and drive could change after two years in the league, but if he just keeps the same mindset and drive he will be fine in the NFL. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenseed4 Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: I saw this posted somewhere and found interesting Denzel Mims is Stephen Hill. They look identical on film: They run the same, they both aren't good route runners, they both struggled with drops, both are excellent blockers, and they both struggled with contested catches against talented competition. Stephen Hill: 6'4" 210lbs 40 time: 4.36 (97th) Speed score: (99th) Burst score: (95th) Catch radius: (95th) Breakout age: 19 College dominator: (44.9) Denzel Mims: 6'3" 207lbs 40 time: 4.38 (96th) Speed score: (96th) Burst score: (90th) Catch Radius: (96th) Breakout age: 19 College Dominator: (42.3) They both even wore number 5 in college Identical. 8 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: Identical. I Hope that's sarcasm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, jetsons said: I Hope that's sarcasm Yes, Jetsons. Hill’s total reception count for his three year stay at Georgia Tech (49) was bested on the yearly by Mims. And before someone tells me that’s a function of the respective offenses they were in, let me say that that is my point. Stephen Hill was a physical specimen who lacked the polish one gets from being a focal point of their offense. Mims, according to OP is the same physical specimen, but with in-game experience, which makes them NOT identical. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I wouldn't take Mims over higgens or pitmann jrSent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, bealeb319 said: I wouldn't take Mims over higgens or pitmann jr Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app I would take ANY of those 3 assuming we got an OT first. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSALLDAY24X Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Philc1 said: Absolutely Better comparison for me anyways is Braylon Edwards I see a lot of Braylon in his game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 19 hours ago, derp said: Yeah I firmly disagree that Mims struggled with contested catches the way Hill did. Way better ball skills. More physical too. Mims is like Stephen Hill but with talent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I’m assuming Mims doesn’t have bricks for hands though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Mims can catch a football. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/18/2020 at 9:26 PM, nyjbuddy said: Difference? One is arrogant, self centered and believes nothing is in his control to make the situation better. The other is out there, trying to get better, is motivated, has something to prove. Plays for his teammates, not for himself. Believes that he can control his destiny. Mims' optimism and drive could change after two years in the league, but if he just keeps the same mindset and drive he will be fine in the NFL. No offense to your research, but this a flat out crock of sh*t. HIll disappeared because of a couple of very serious knee injuries. Cam Newton was in love with him and Ricky Proehl said he was going to start opposite Kelvin Benjamin on the 2015 team that went 15-1 and lost the super bowl. Proehl said Hill was going to make him a famous WR coach. They specifically complimented Hill's work ethic and drive in numerous articles during his time in Carolina. The guys body just didn't hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 As shown the production is the difference. The guy I would compare to hill, not body wise but production wise is Ruggs. I know people will get bent out of shape me saying that. He is a guy I would worry about being over drafted due to recent similar player bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, Beerfish said: As shown the production is the difference. The guy I would compare to hill, not body wise but production wise is Ruggs. I know people will get bent out of shape me saying that. He is a guy I would worry about being over drafted due to recent similar player bias. I'm with you on this. It's Lam Jones, the sequel. And we all know sequels are never as good as the original. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Mims can catch a football. Stephen Hill couldn’t catch the clap in a brothel 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Crazy how far Mims has fallen, maybe the scouts have put this comparison together also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Rhg1084 said: Crazy how far Mims has fallen, maybe the scouts have put this comparison together also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Baylor WR bias. Mims is a true size/speed freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 11:36 AM, bealeb319 said: I wouldn't take Mims over higgens or pitmann jr Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app They were gone by 48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 They were gone by 48They were not when I said that...guess NFL scouts agreedSent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I’ll post this here too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 How can someone be really good at the 3-cone drill, and really bad at the 20 yard shuttle? I thought they both tested similar things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static14 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Mims was a steal. It’s crazy that people are crapping on him at 59! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, thshadow said: How can someone be really good at the 3-cone drill, and really bad at the 20 yard shuttle? I thought they both tested similar things. The shuttle measures start-stop, the 3-cone measures ability to accelerate while changing direction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 17 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: Crazy how far Mims has fallen, maybe the scouts have put this comparison together also Every year a stud WR falls to round 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 15 hours ago, static14 said: Mims was a steal. It’s crazy that people are crapping on him at 59! I don’t get it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 2:07 PM, jetstream23 said: I would take ANY of those 3 assuming we got an OT first. Feels good, Stream! Good call! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 6:46 PM, Philc1 said: Stephen Hill couldn’t catch the clap in a brothel 2 TDs in his first game as a Jet, bizarrely. Both body catches, where he left his feet for no good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, mrcoops said: 2 TDs in his first game as a Jet, bizarrely. Both body catches, where he left his feet for no good reason. Hill was awful. Anyone comparing Mims to Hill has either never watched them both play football or doesn't know what they're looking at. Seriously. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Hill was awful. Anyone comparing Mims to Hill has either never watched them both play football or doesn't know what they're looking at. Seriously. Hill was a case of people getting caught up in his height/weight/speed numbers and ignoring the fact that he couldn't change direction or catch the ball. Mims is also tall and fast, but that's where the similarity ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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