OBJ update

[playtowinthegame]

7 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

That's not your best work. 

[Wonderboy]

9 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

Stop smoking that hydronated green stuff. 🤭

[ScarletKnight89]

I'd love to get OBJ here if the price is right trade wise. A deal like that would probably be too good to be true but if they are trying to just move him and aren't asking for a ton in return for him, I'd be interested.

The Jets have been a terrible offensive team. We should be interested in players like Beckham. 

[Lith]

5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

Do they? 

Baker had a better rookie year, but Darnold had the better season 2 - stats from 2019 are below.  Higher completion percent, higher rating, better TD-INT ratio.  Baker was throwing to Beckham and Landry.  Darnold had Crowder and Robby.  And Sam won more games in fewer starts. 

Both guys are still question marks; don't know who will be the better QB when all is said and done, but I would rather have Sam.

Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	6	13	7-6-0	273	441	61.9	3024	19	84.3	92	13	33	212	6.9	6.39	5.93	5.50	33	62	2	1.9	24
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	11	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	78.8	89	21	40	285	7.2	6.22	6.17	5.29	28	141	3	5.0	18

Per Game:

				Passing							Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Att	Yds	TD
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	21.0	33.9	232.6	1.5	1.0	2.5	16.3	2.5	4.8	0.2
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	19.8	33.4	239.2	1.4	1.3	2.5	17.8	1.8	8.8	0.2

[MindOverMatter]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

Do they? 

Baker had a better rookie year, but Darnold had the better season 2 - stats from 2019 are below.  Higher completion percent, higher rating, better TD-INT ratio.  Baker was throwing to Beckham and Landry.  Darnold had Crowder and Robby.  And Sam won more games in fewer starts. 

Both guys are still question marks; don't know who will be the better QB when all is said and done, but I would rather have Sam.

Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	6	13	7-6-0	273	441	61.9	3024	19	84.3	92	13	33	212	6.9	6.39	5.93	5.50	33	62	2	1.9	24
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	11	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	78.8	89	21	40	285	7.2	6.22	6.17	5.29	28	141	3	5.0	18

Per Game:

				Passing							Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Att	Yds	TD
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	21.0	33.9	232.6	1.5	1.0	2.5	16.3	2.5	4.8	0.2
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	19.8	33.4	239.2	1.4	1.3	2.5	17.8	1.8	8.8	0.2

And consider that Baker is what, 3 years older than Sam? He should be better at this point in his career, he has more experience and a MUCH better supporting cast around him. I really hope that JD builds this team up and Darnold can prove his doubters wrong, because I think he's the answer to our QB problem.

[Defense Wins Championships]

28 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

Baker Mayfield has two future HOF WR's who are both in their primes in Beckham Jr. and Jarvis Landry along with a much better offensive line but yet last year (2019) could only muster up...

317/534 (59.4%), 22 TD's/21 INT's with a QB Rating of 78.8 (6-10). 

He's a #1 overall and soon to be, bust. 

He's also 3 years older than Sam Darnold but acts much younger than Sam (immature). 

From a CLEVELAND BROWNS DIEHARD FAN...

Some leader they've got out there in Cleveland "say it to my face" lol

That's your QB. Not mine. 

You can have him. I don't want him..

[JETSALLDAY24X]

I'm confused.. Is Odell being like AB off the field? Does he have some pending legal issues I'm not aware of? He was never a problem in New York till Coughlin got fired. Id offer the higher of the third round picks Avery Williamson and a conditional mid round pick next year. This is not time to take it slow when it comes to building around Darnold. 

[14 in Green]

Just now, Lith said:

Do they? 

Baker had a better rookie year, but Darnold had the better season 2 - stats from 2019 are below.  Higher completion percent, higher rating, better TD-INT ratio.  Baker was throwing to Beckham and Landry.  Darnold had Crowder and Robby.  And Sam won more games in fewer starts. 

Both guys are still question marks; don't know who will be the better QB when all is said and done, but I would rather have Sam.

Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	6	13	7-6-0	273	441	61.9	3024	19	84.3	92	13	33	212	6.9	6.39	5.93	5.50	33	62	2	1.9	24
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	11	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	78.8	89	21	40	285	7.2	6.22	6.17	5.29	28	141	3	5.0	18

Per Game:

				Passing							Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Att	Yds	TD
1	Sam Darnold	2019	2019	21.0	33.9	232.6	1.5	1.0	2.5	16.3	2.5	4.8	0.2
2	Baker Mayfield	2019	2019	19.8	33.4	239.2	1.4	1.3	2.5	17.8	1.8	8.8	0.2

Don't get me wrong, Mayfield, Allen, and Darnold all have a lot to prove, none of them have been lights out in my opinion.

I read the comments in this thread comparing Mayfield to Tebow, and others commenting on how much better OBJ and/or the Browns would do with Darnold as their QB. I think those were ridiculous, and that's why I'm defending Baker.

BTW,  I'll stand by what I said about Mayfield having the better career thus far, and I think he will going further also. Why? I don't really think one is way more talented than the other, but I like Mayfield's toughness, arm and mechanics better than Sam's. Also, I have more faith in Cleveland putting and keeping a good team around him, which obviously is a factor.  

I'm with Dorsey on this one. That doesn't mean Darnold can't become a FQB, I just think Mayfield is better. That said, bot of them certainly have to become better than they were last year.

[Jetster]

It would be fun to see what OBJ could go with Sam, Crowder, Herndon, Perriman & Bell + Akers with a new LT. 
Get the boy some weapons! 

[Philc1]

Come Back to NY Odell

 

Sam will make you a star again

[Philc1]

28 minutes ago, Jetster said:

It would be fun to see what OBJ could go with Sam, Crowder, Herndon, Perriman & Bell + Akers with a new LT. 
Get the boy some weapons! 

OBJ and Sam together would be sick

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on Darnold?

Mayfield had what? The 19th rank QBR in what was granted, a disappointing '19 season. Darnold was 25th.

Meanwhile Mayfield had a great rookie year (set the rookie TD record) while Darnold was the 26th ranked QB in '18.

Yet of the two, Mayfield is the one you have heading to Palooka-ville? Take a minute, check out what people who aren't on JN think of Darnold as a QB after 2 years. Not everyone is buying into the excuse filled hope and dreams narrative which is so popular here.

Believe me, I live 700 miles from NY in an area with fans from all over the country. You'd be amazed at how people think of Darnold as a young QB after his first two years..

You mayfield lovers still clinging to 2018 eh?

[nycdan]

57 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Baker Mayfield has two future HOF WR's who are both in their primes in Beckham Jr. and Jarvis Landry along with a much better offensive line but yet last year (2019) could only muster up...

So I hope that was the breakfast beer talking.  Beckham had 3 amazing, HoF-worth seasons followed by two barely above average seasons (and one missed for injury).  He would need to completely return to 2014-2016 OBJ and keep it there for another 5 years to even have a chance to be considered.  Possible but not likely given that he's shown nothing the last two years to suggest he is that guy anymore.

Landry is pretty much the poster child for the Hall of Pretty Good and nobody has ever suggested he is a HoF guy, probably including his own mother.

Other than that, you were on point.

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I'd love to get OBJ here if the price is right trade wise. A deal like that would probably be too good to be true but if they are trying to just move him and aren't asking for a ton in return for him, I'd be interested.

The Jets have been a terrible offensive team. We should be interested in players like Beckham. 

Personally, I don't think JD or Gase would want a player like Odell but if they  both agree on bringing him in then I am confident they have done their due diligence and believe he won't be a distraction.  

 

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Sam would never play as poorly as Mayfield did last year with all of those weapons and a slightly better line. Darnold has showed a much higher ceiling than Mayfield in both years. Mayfield was a product of much more talent around him.

THANK YOU!!!!

Why do folks who want to pump up Baker not see that Darnold had the worst OL and combination of offensive skill players in the entire NFL last year!

Did anyone see how the team played when Darnold wasn't on the field last year?  The Jets were the worst offensive team I have ever seen coming from a Jets team since 1969 ----- To act like Darnold under performed based on his surrounding talent is just silly talk. 

Finally, I'm not one to knock Baker, I'm not, but to act like Baker had the same level of adversity, poor OL and skill position players as Darnold is preposterous!

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

That's a popular myth.

Here are the facts from 2019.

Mayfield: 16 Games, 239.2 Y/G, 59.4% completion rate, 4.1 TD%, 3.9 INT%, 7.0 Sack%, 78.8 Rating

Darnold: 13 Games, 232.6 Y/G, 61.9% completion rate, 4.3 TD%, 2.9 INT %, 7.0 Sack%, 84.3 Rating.

Especially considering the difference in OLine and WR talent, I'll stick with our guy, thanks.  And it's not really even close.

Hmmm I really wish I could pin this post!!!!

[tdoublee]

OBJs homey Jarvis Landry shat all over Gase on his way out of Miami. No telling what OBJ would say or do coming here. We don't need to trade for those kinda problems right now.

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Lol ...feelings, possibilities based on feelings, thug turds, culture destroyers.

 

get OBJ in Green/White because my QB needs a freaking football player worth being on the field. Thx. They’re grown men. They can work it out smfh.

And because you dont understand that what little value players like OBJ and their mouths can do to a young FQB and to a young, developing team.  

For all the "They’re grown men. They can work it out smfh." comments thrown around, hes won nothing and his teams dump him after believing "They’re grown men the can work it out".  Its not Madden 

[14 in Green]

30 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

That's not your best work. 

LOL 

To be honest, I just threw his name out there, but guess what?

I just looked up his career stats... it turns out he's been better than Mayfield, Allen and Darnold so far, at least statistically.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

 

 

Yea I.m a douche. what about it.

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And because you dont understand that what little value players like OBJ and their mouths can do to a young FQB and to a young, developing team.  

For all the "They’re grown men. They can work it out smfh." comments thrown around, hes won nothing and his teams dump him after believing "They’re grown men the can work it out".  Its not Madden 

What does madden have to do with any of this? OBJ is a football player. I want him on this offense. You don’t have to be unrealistic to want this. Appreciate that insight though.

[14 in Green]

Just now, Charlie Brown said:

Hmmm I really wish I could pin this post!!!!

In all seriousness, when @nycdan left that post, it made me wonder, how do they figure out those QBR ratings?

I'm almost positive Mayfield was 19th last year, and Darnold was 25th.  Seems a little out of whack...

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

Do you watch the games?

[Charlie Brown]

6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

In all seriousness, when @nycdan left that post, it made me wonder, how do they figure out those QBR ratings?

I'm almost positive Mayfield was 19th last year, and Darnold was 25th.  Seems a little out of whack...

I am confused by the QBR ratings myself...my football knowledge really extends to can the guy throw the ball and can the other guy catch it?

Also I am not busting on Baker, I like him and think that he is going to have a huge BOUNCE BACK season, if there is a season.  I just think that Sam has a chance to be a good QB as well.

[Jet Nut]

13 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

What does madden have to do with any of this? OBJ is a football player. I want him on this offense. You don’t have to be unrealistic to want this. Appreciate that insight though.

Because youre looking at numbers and think that the rest is nonsense that can be overcome.  You keep saying hes a football player as if nothing else matters and I dont agree. 

[Bruce Harper]

31 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

OBJ and Sam together would be sick

I'm on the fence but the difference between Eli's stats with him and without him was pretty significant.

[Wonderboy]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Because youre looking at numbers and think that the rest is nonsense that can be overcome.  You keep saying hes a football player as if nothing else matters and I dont agree. 

Giants rid themselves of OBJ for a bag of peanuts. He was their best player. That speaks volumes.

[Jet Nut]

Just now, Wonderboy said:

Giants rid themselves of OBJ for a bag of peanuts. He was their best player. That speaks volumes.

And the team that thought they stole him is now trying to dump him, more than likely for less. 

Youre right

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Because youre looking at numbers and think that the rest is nonsense that can be overcome.  You keep saying hes a football player as if nothing else matters and I dont agree. 

I didn’t say nothing else matters but I just know what’s more important. OBJ can even be cut at any time so I really don’t see the downside in trying it out.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

Don't get me wrong, Mayfield, Allen, and Darnold all have a lot to prove, none of them have been lights out in my opinion.

I read the comments in this thread comparing Mayfield to Tebow, and others commenting on how much better OBJ and/or the Browns would do with Darnold as their QB. I think those were ridiculous, and that's why I'm defending Baker.

BTW,  I'll stand by what I said about Mayfield having the better career thus far, and I think he will going further also. Why? I don't really think one is way more talented than the other, but I like Mayfield's toughness, arm and mechanics better than Sam's. Also, I have more faith in Cleveland putting and keeping a good team around him, which obviously is a factor.  

I'm with Dorsey on this one. That doesn't mean Darnold can't become a FQB, I just think Mayfield is better. That said, bot of them certainly have to become better than they were last year.

 

[14 in Green]

Just now, Bruce Harper said:

Do you watch the games?

Yes. Do you?

[Jet Nut]

20 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I didn’t say nothing else matters but I just know what’s more important. OBJ can even be cut at any time so I really don’t see the downside in trying it out.

Other than draft picks and cap space?

[JETSALLDAY24X]

 

2 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

The Browns also have a better QB.

Until further notice, we have Trubisky 2.0.

This is troll right? Has to be

[Patriot Killa]

20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Other than draft picks and cap space?

Clearly if the compensation is reasonable for us then that isn’t really a concern at all. Cap space? ..there’s a million and one ways to clear 13 or whatever the difference in 13 and what we already have is.

[Defense Wins Championships]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

So I hope that was the breakfast beer talking.  Beckham had 3 amazing, HoF-worth seasons followed by two barely above average seasons (and one missed for injury).  He would need to completely return to 2014-2016 OBJ and keep it there for another 5 years to even have a chance to be considered.  Possible but not likely given that he's shown nothing the last two years to suggest he is that guy anymore.

Landry is pretty much the poster child for the Hall of Pretty Good and nobody has ever suggested he is a HoF guy, probably including his own mother.

Other than that, you were on point.

Beckham Jr. is easily on Pace for a HOF career and Landry is underrated by fans but by the voters he will not be. 

Landry: 6 seasons with a combined 96 games (never missed a game) 564 receptions, 6,188 receiving yards, 32 TD receptions and a 65% catch rate. 

NFL receptions (2017) leader, 5x Pro Bowler and still only 27 years of age; and to think he's done all of this with two crap MIA/CLE franchises...

and we're currently watching a future HOF sleeper. Was so pissed when we drafted Amaro over him and Allen Robinson 2nd Rd. 

I've always followed that draft class afterwards and Landry has been the most reliable regardless of which QB he's had to line up for on Sunday's he's a 2014 WR class legend can't talk about it without him. 

His #s are sick.