Popular Post Doggin94it Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 1a Becton (for upside) 1b Wills (current skill) 3 Thomas 4 Wirfs Full analysis in the image 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 This is Cleveland Browns leaked disinformation. They are just using Joe Thomas to put it out into the world. Basically they are trying to get someone to sleep on one of the lower "ranked" OTs on his list. Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Joe Thomas biggest mistake was not analyzing Josh Jones or Jackson as the 4th guys as Wifts shouldn't even be in the convo. He's short of like the Josh Rosen of the group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doggin94it Posted April 20, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, JTJet said: This is Cleveland Browns leaked disinformation. They are just using Joe Thomas to put it out into the world. Basically they are trying to get someone to sleep on one of the lower "ranked" OTs on his list. Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. This is stupid. Thomas is an NFL analyst these days, not a Browns employee 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: This is stupid. Thomas is an NFL analyst these days, not a Browns employee That means nothing. A lot of analysts and Reporters are merely mouthpieces for teams this close to the draft, especially former players. This is nothing new. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Wills my #1 choice... I wouldn't Becton ONLY if Wills is already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: Joe Thomas biggest mistake was not analyzing Josh Jones or Jackson as the 4th guys as Wifts shouldn't even be in the convo. He's short of like the Josh Rosen of the group. How interesting. I like Wirfs a lot and see him as potentially having an easier time switching to LT than Wills who's literally never played the position. Wirfs is as athletic as they come and he's got the brains and attitude. I really like him ., 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, JTJet said: 33 minutes ago, JTJet said: Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. Aint THAT the truth? All this talk about Lamb and Ruggs from the Jets and no talk of Tackle? lol Seems more likely that it's a little something to get Denver to want to jump up and grab Jeudy or Lamb to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Phil Savage drafted Joe Thomas when he was the GM of the Browns, hopefully he can help our front office and JD pick the next Joe Thomas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, jetsons said: Wills my #1 choice... I wouldn't Becton ONLY if Wills is already gone. I don't dislike Wills since he would be a very solid RT in the worst case scenario. Frankly I'll take a flyer on any of the top 4 and am hoping one falls to us. I'd bet a lot that JD doesn't like at least one of these guys so I feel as if what happens at 11 with whoever falls to us might surprise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Aint THAT the truth? All this talk about Lamb and Ruggs from the Jets and no talk of Tackle? lol Seems more likely that it's a little something to get Denver to want to jump up and grab Jeudy or Lamb to me. 100%. Without. A. Doubt. I believe absolutely nothing the week before/of the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Wills Jeudy Bust 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, JTJet said: This is Cleveland Browns leaked disinformation. They are just using Joe Thomas to put it out into the world. Basically they are trying to get someone to sleep on one of the lower "ranked" OTs on his list. Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. So with 4 days to go to the draft you think an NFL gm is looking at Joe Thomas OL rankings and basing his decisions off of that twitter thread? 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Let's pretend those scouting reports are exactly what the Jets FO wrote up on each player. Not necessarily the rank, just the pros and cons. Who do you think they'd prefer? My money would say Wills, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSALLDAY24X Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: How interesting. I like Wirfs a lot and see him as potentially having an easier time switching to LT than Wills who's literally never played the position. Wirfs is as athletic as they come and he's got the brains and attitude. I really like him ., I think Wirfs is more of guard in the NFL. Not that the Jets couldn't use another guard. But I say Wills Thomas Wirfs Becton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Let's pretend those scouting reports are exactly what the Jets FO wrote up on each player. Not necessarily the rank, just the pros and cons. Who do you think they'd prefer? My money would say Wills, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton Agreed. I’m always surprised to see how much the “freak athleticism” trait and the word “potential” clouds people’s judgment. So long as a prospect has the requisite level of athleticism to play in the NFL, or really, to warrant a first round selection - then scouts/GMs should be looking more at readiness, technique, experience, psychological makeup and grit. Wills and Thomas are clearly better players, right now, than the other two. They’re going to be good because they’re NFL ready and they’ve got enough physical gifts to translate to the pro game. Becton and Wirfs are projects... and I’m guessing some team will gamble and take at least one of them ahead of those surefire other two. I hope it’s not us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Agreed. I’m always surprised to see how much the “freak athleticism” trait and the word “potential” clouds people’s judgment. So long as a prospect has the requisite level of athleticism to play in the NFL, or really, to warrant a first round selection - then scouts/GMs should be looking more at readiness, technique, experience, psychological makeup and grit. Wills and Thomas are clearly better players, right now, than the other two. They’re going to be good because they’re NFL ready and they’ve got enough physical gifts to translate to the pro game. Becton and Wirfs are projects... and I’m guessing some team will gamble and take at least one of them ahead of those surefire other two. I hope it’s not us. I disagree that Becton and Wirfs are projects. I also disagree that Wills and Thomas are surefire. Just as much as "potential" clouds judgement, so does "pro ready". Josh Rosen was the consensus pro ready QB a few years ago. Leonard Williams was pro ready. Sometimes that's just another way of saying they are as good as they are going to get. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 If the league wants to hand the Jets Tristan Wirfs, I’m all for it 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: So with 4 days to go to the draft you think an NFL gm is looking at Joe Thomas OL rankings and basing his decisions off of that twitter thread? You clearly dont understand how the spread of disnformation works. They arent basing their decisions off one analyst, no. But enough disinformation getting out into the world can cause people to second guess themselves. GMs and Coaches are notorious for trying to read the tea leaves for years. Not sure why people are surprised about this? This is something that retired GMs/Coaches have talked about doing the entire history of the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If the league wants to hand the Jets Tristan Wirfs, I’m all for it I legitimately would be fine with any of them. They all have their warts, but I don't think any of them will be total flops. Wirfs and Wills probably have the most positional versatility, which also limits their complete washout odds. I think any 1 of the 4 are instantly the best OL on the team, which is depressing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, JTJet said: That means nothing. A lot of analysts and Reporters are merely mouthpieces for teams this close to the draft, especially former players. This is nothing new. There has been a guy on my B/R feed "leaking" stuff about Herbert literally EVERY.SINGLE.DAY. Like every hour, on the hour. I'm sure there are people doing the same thing about Tua. The sh*t is so predictable it's not even funny. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, pdxgreen said: There has been a guy on my B/R feed "leaking" stuff about Herbert literally EVERY.SINGLE.DAY. Like every hour, on the hour. I'm sure there are people doing the same thing about Tua. sh*t is so predictable it's not even funny. It's amazing the depths teams go to to spread the disinformation. It's well documented the crazy sh*t teams have done, and you're right, it's really predictable if you are paying attention lol. Its also worth noting some of it is clearly fans with a compulsion to pretend like they have insider info, hell we have several of those guys on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I legitimately would be fine with any of them. They all have their warts, but I don't think any of them will be total flops. Wirfs and Wills probably have the most positional versatility, which also limits their complete washout odds. I think any 1 of the 4 are instantly the best OL on the team, which is depressing. Becton frightens me because that type of prospect never works out for the Jets 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I disagree that Becton and Wirfs are projects. I also disagree that Wills and Thomas are surefire. Just as much as "potential" clouds judgement, so does "pro ready". Josh Rosen was the consensus pro ready QB a few years ago. Leonard Williams was pro ready. Sometimes that's just another way of saying they are as good as they are going to get. Alright Hawkeye - we'll have to agree to disagree on our assessment of these four. You're certainly not wrong about the 'pro ready' mistake that's also regularly made. I understand the freakishness of Becton and Wirfs, but if I'm the GM, I'm taking (in order) Wills, Thomas, Josh Jones, CeeDee Lamb and Jerry Jeudy over those two. That's my order. Put it on the board! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, JTJet said: You clearly dont understand how the spread of disnformation works. They arent basing their decisions off one analyst, no. But enough disinformation getting out into the world can cause people to second guess themselves. GMs and Coaches are notorious for trying to read the tea leaves for years. Not sure why people are surprised about this? This is something that retired GMs/Coaches have talked about doing the entire history of the draft. I love good conspiracy theories. So the browns GM contacted Joe Thomas and said “hey tweet out that Becton is the best tackle”. So Thomas risks his analyst job to tweet nonsense hoping Gettleman sees it and takes Becton. Do you actually believe that’s what happened lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 13 hours ago, JTJet said: This is Cleveland Browns leaked disinformation. They are just using Joe Thomas to put it out into the world. Basically they are trying to get someone to sleep on one of the lower "ranked" OTs on his list. Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. No. I mean, i agree with the messaging -- but Joe Thomas is a media personality now with a bigger presence than just some dude who appears on Browns homer TV... He's offering up his view as a linemen. That's it. He has zero association with anyone in the Browns regime presently, and is not that guy.. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Scott Pioli on Francesa was high on Wirfs because of his championship wrestling background. Shows qualities that often overlap with good linemen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: I love good conspiracy theories. So the browns GM contacted Joe Thomas and said “hey tweet out that Becton is the best tackle”. So Thomas risks his analyst job to tweet nonsense hoping Gettleman sees it and takes Becton. Do you actually believe that’s what happened lol Simply. Yes 100%. Theres way more history of this stuff to back up my point of view than not, and this would be tame compared to the levels teams have went to. https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/page/hotread140312/nfl-draft-misinformation-smoke-screens-standard-fare-evaluation-season https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2019/04/20/nfl-draft-lying-season-means-dirty-tricks-misinformation-norm/3528356002/ https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/The-time-of-disinformation-23210/ Theres about 1000 more articles detailing the practices if you're interested. I'm not sure how long you have followed draft season, but the first few weeks of April have a reputation for exactly what I'm talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Becton frightens me because that type of prospect never works out for the Jets Funny how a lot of Jets fans probably have this mentality. Caught myself watching him one day and thinking "This dude's ceiling is HOF" and literally 10 seconds later thinking "I hope the Jets don't take him". I'd honestly be fine if they did, but it just worries more more than the other guys. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 hours ago, JTJet said: This is Cleveland Browns leaked disinformation. They are just using Joe Thomas to put it out into the world. Basically they are trying to get someone to sleep on one of the lower "ranked" OTs on his list. Believe nothing from anyone this close to the draft. Or... what if they're using Joe Thomas to give their actual preference? I used to 100% believe in the bolded, but I've come to realize that sometimes teams use the "hidden in plain sight" technique. I remember there was one GM (the name escapes me) who would would always leak who he was interested in and end up drafting said player(s). It worked because everyone would assume it was a smokescreen, and nobody would believe. Honestly that's what I would do if I was a GM. “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.” - Sherlock Holmes "How do you keep a secret from the world's greatest detective? By hiding it right under his big, pointy nose." - The Joker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 hours ago, JTJet said: That means nothing. A lot of analysts and Reporters are merely mouthpieces for teams this close to the draft, especially former players. This is nothing new. The naivete of this is the assumption that any team would be influenced by the comments of a TV analyst. Also, his comments are actually interesting and based on his depth of knowledge of the position. You don't have to agree with it, but the idea that it's some rearguard action to shape the draft is frankly ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Scott Pioli on Francesa was high on Wirfs because of his championship wrestling background. Shows qualities that often overlap with good linemen. Shilling for the Falcons, no doubt, per some QAnoners here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 hours ago, JTJet said: That means nothing. A lot of analysts and Reporters are merely mouthpieces for teams this close to the draft, especially former players. This is nothing new. Like who? In reality, not imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 hours ago, JTJet said: You clearly dont understand how the spread of disnformation works. They arent basing their decisions off one analyst, no. But enough disinformation getting out into the world can cause people to second guess themselves. GMs and Coaches are notorious for trying to read the tea leaves for years. Not sure why people are surprised about this? This is something that retired GMs/Coaches have talked about doing the entire history of the draft. This makes no sense. They're not basing decisions off an analysis but off of an analysts tweet, blog, whatever, they're going to trade up or cause a team to make a move based on the this info? Which is it? Teams make their decisions off of inside info, inside rumors. Not the guesses from the media 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 4 hours ago, JTJet said: Simply. Yes 100%. Theres way more history of this stuff to back up my point of view than not, and this would be tame compared to the levels teams have went to. https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/page/hotread140312/nfl-draft-misinformation-smoke-screens-standard-fare-evaluation-season https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2019/04/20/nfl-draft-lying-season-means-dirty-tricks-misinformation-norm/3528356002/ https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/The-time-of-disinformation-23210/ Theres about 1000 more articles detailing the practices if you're interested. I'm not sure how long you have followed draft season, but the first few weeks of April have a reputation for exactly what I'm talking about. I don’t think that anyone is questioning that teams are putting out a variety of smokescreens right now, but rather the degree of certainty you feel about this specific smokescreen. If it is bad information, depends entirely on the degree of Thomas’ loyalty to the Browns organization. Why not a former OL coach who Thomas got close to or ended up somewhere else? Or the GM who drafted him? Also, Thomas is a former OL and a sharp dude - why can’t he be trying to build credibility and be honest to help him advance his post NFL career? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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