RobR...the floor is yours!

[Viermoo]

The word “potential” doesn’t mean this guy is some average player who might be good some day. Bechtin is really good now and has the chance to be the game’s most dominant LT for the next decade. It’s a no brainer type pick. We got very lucky to land this guy at 11.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Did Gase or Douglas say if Becton is playing RT or LT yet?

Nope. Just that the best five will play. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

That’s not very hard. That also doesn’t speak well of JDs free agency. Again, for this kid to get to the next level, do you trust Gase?

What OT's were out there?  The RT with a missing knee that got paid $20M?

[CrazyCarl40]

23 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

What OT's were out there?  The RT with a missing knee that got paid $20M?

What I meant to was that doesn’t speak highly of Fant if Becton is already better than him. Should have said free agent and it agency. 

[RobR]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What I meant to was that doesn’t speak highly of Fant if Becton is already better than him. Should have said free agent and it agency. 

Why? One was an UDFA and the other was a high first rounder. 

[GreenReaper]

9 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

JJ Watt went at 11.

[Jetsfan80]

21 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What I meant to was that doesn’t speak highly of Fant if Becton is already better than him. Should have said free agent and it agency. 

I don't think that matters much.  Becton wasn't likely going to start at LT right away, while Fant essentially has a 1-year deal.  Fant is the stopgap.  Becton is the future.  My guess is Fant is the Week 1 starter at LT while Becton starts at RT.  But I could easily be wrong.

It doesn't necessarily speak poorly of Fant that we drafted Becton and he's currently our best OT.  

[Embrace the Suck]

12 hours ago, JTJet said:

Sorry I cant buy that. 

If he was a generational prospect, he wouldnt have been the 3rd OT taken at pick 11. 

Great prospects fall all the time just as crappy ones get over drafted all the time.

[Dcat]

14 hours ago, batman10023 said:

Awesome!  Do you follow college football and the draft closely?  You like this pick it seems. 

he's just a casual onlooker.  

[Dcat]

13 hours ago, jgb said:

The more down votes to my posts, the more right I know I am.

well that's convenient.  

[Dcat]

13 hours ago, JTJet said:

Imagine posting your reply and still being so wrong. 

If he was "generational" he wouldn't have been picked 3rd at his position. Period. 

I don't think I've ever read anything quite as stupid as the above.  No offense.

the first one I checked was Jerry Rice and sure  enough he was the 3rd WR taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown.  I'll bet I could find the same for every position on the football field.  

Where you are drafted within your position class proves nothing about whether you are a "generational talent" or not.  

[JTJet]

7 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I don't think I've ever read anything quite as stupid as the above.  No offense.

the first one I checked was Jerry Rice and sure  enough he was the 3rd WR taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown.  I'll bet I could find the same for every position on the football field.  

Where you are drafted within your position class proves nothing about whether you are a "generational talent" or not.  

Ok let me clarify. 

It's easy to compare past drafts with hall of famers after their body of works have completed to incoming rookies. Very easy. I too could find 100 instances as you said. 

But when we talk about a "generational talent" being available in a draft these days, and then he goes 3rd at his own position, a very real question should be asked as to why.

If he is as sure fire hall of fame as half the people on the board claim, how come 2 other OTs were taken before him, how come at least 2 other teams passed on even drafting him in favor of another position? 

I will bet you a buffalo nickel there are far more instances of players of his type being over drafted, than the opposite. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, JTJet said:

Ok let me clarify. 

It's easy to compare past drafts with hall of famers after their body of works have completed to incoming rookies. Very easy. I too could find 100 instances as you said. 

But when we talk about a "generational talent" being available in a draft these days, and then he goes 3rd at his own position, a very real question should be asked as to why.

If he is as sure fire hall of fame as half the people on the board claim, how come 2 other OTs were taken before him, how come at least 2 other teams passed on even drafting him in favor of another position? 

I will bet you a buffalo nickel there are far more instances of players of his type being over drafted, than the opposite. 

 

Of course there's risk and of course there are more players who get over-drafted than under-drafted.

But using that as a reason why you don't draft Becton or why he can't be a generational talent or even that he's simply UNLIKELY to be a generational talent is just silly.  I posted 8 different instances just in the last 2 decades where a guy got passed on at his position group and ended up being an elite player at his position, and there were a bunch more I didn't include. 

If more than half of all drafts have that happen at least once in the first 2 rounds, why can't Becton be it?  Why is it a sure thing the other GM's got it right with their analysis of the OT's? 

He got passed on because he's an unusual talent and with a non-traditional build for his position.  It's how a lot of guys get passed over.  Drew Brees was passed on for a full round because he's "too short".  Ray Lewis was passed over for nearly a full round because he was "too small".  JJ Watt was passed over in the top 10 because he was a "tweener".  Aaron Donald was passed over in the top 10 for a similar reason.  

Becton was passed over because he's "too big to be an OL".  That's really the crux of it.  The drug test was really not a major deterrent.  His size was not a good enough reason to pass on a guy with his potential.  It might not work out, but its not because Dave Gettleman and the Browns thought Becton wasn't an elite talent.  It's because of his size.  Thomas and Wills were "safer" picks, the kind Mike Maccagnan would make.  They very easily could end up regretting those decisions.

[SouthernJet]

RobR...the floor is yours!

Ya, mop it, and dont miss spot where Max puked

[Long Island Leprechaun]

2 hours ago, Dcat said:

I don't think I've ever read anything quite as stupid as the above.  No offense.

the first one I checked was Jerry Rice and sure  enough he was the 3rd WR taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown.  I'll bet I could find the same for every position on the football field.  

Where you are drafted within your position class proves nothing about whether you are a "generational talent" or not.  

Dan Marino was the sixth! QB taken in 1983. It's right up there among the most ridiculous comments I've seen for a while. Countless examples of HOFer's taken after somebody lesser.

[jetstream23]

Keep him away from the weed, away from the buffet table and we have a decade-long anchor at LT.

[SouthernJet]

4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Keep him away from the weed, away from the buffet table and we have a decade-long anchor at LT.

I think if he does #1 he will not have a issue being chained to buffett table..

[Ruby2]

Granted I dont browse the board like I have in the past, but what player has RobR ever been wrong on?

Shut up and be happy for a change you miserable pricks

[Ian Fleming]

2 hours ago, JTJet said:

Ok let me clarify. 

It's easy to compare past drafts with hall of famers after their body of works have completed to incoming rookies. Very easy. I too could find 100 instances as you said. 

But when we talk about a "generational talent" being available in a draft these days, and then he goes 3rd at his own position, a very real question should be asked as to why.

If he is as sure fire hall of fame as half the people on the board claim, how come 2 other OTs were taken before him, how come at least 2 other teams passed on even drafting him in favor of another position? 

I will bet you a buffalo nickel there are far more instances of players of his type being over drafted, than the opposite. 

That’s an unprovable counterfactual logic. Every team that drafts a player at the same position after the first automatically got the worst player. It also means that all teams needing the same position are all mirror images of each other.

We’re dealing with personalities that vary in their responses to their environments. 

[Dcat]

57 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Keep him away from the weed, away from the buffet table and we have a decade-long anchor at LT.

I would say let his family cook for him.... but I'll bet Popa is a great cook.  

[Snook]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

I would say let his family cook for him.... but I'll bet Popa is a great cook.  

Mom's a caterer.