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3 hours ago, SAR I said:

We had the Bills beaten in Week 1, Darnold almost died and Mosley was lost for the season, we still had them cornered until late in the game.  Dolphins and Bengals games were on Sam as he was trying to make it back from injury.  Both were winless at the time.  The December Jets wipe the floor with those two teams.

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The Jets lost to the Bengals in December.

They also played the Dolphins in December and won by 1 point, so no you did not wipe the floor with them.

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3 hours ago, kdels62 said:

The only unit the Jets have that is worst in the division is: Cornerback. Last year you could say OL but there’s too much unknown with the Dolphins and Jets after this off season to say they’re the worst. Plus if they end up slightly above average they’re better than Buffalo’s OL.

The division is up for grabs. If Sam stays healthy and the OL gels fast enough we’re gonna win it.

They also have the worst WRs.

Edelman is better than anyone on the Jets, Sanu equal to Crowder and N'Keal > Mims until proven otherwise. Quincy even if healthy, isn't enough to change this. Parker is better than anyone on the Jets, Preston Williams is a stud and Albert Wilson make a good WR group. Bills are just better.

Also it's highly unlikely the Jets O-line will be better than the Bills. The Bills still have a better LG, C, RG, and RT. The Bills LT is also very good. The Jets O-line is still a weakness but it is improved.

 

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37 minutes ago, Romanese said:

Silly original post. If you are trying to look objective, try not to be so obviously biased. Instead, just start: As a Bills fan.....blah, blah, blah....

 

Let's revisit again at your rankings: 

QB: Jets (by a substantial amount), Bills, Pats?, Phins? (last two will be lunch!).

TE: Jets (by a mile), Bills, Pats, Phins

WR: Bills (by a mile), Jets, Phins, Pats (This is the Bills largest edge)

RB: Bills, Jets, Phins, Pats (Top 3 almost even now that Nell has an Oline)

OLine: Crap shoot, but I have it Pats, Bills, Jets, Phins

 

But the Defensive, oh our defense--will be sick:

LBs: Jets, Bills, Pats, Phins (Jets by a mile)

DLine: Bills, Jets (close behind; better in the run game), Pats, and Phins

CB: Bills, Pats, Phins, Jets (let's wait and see here??)

Safeties: Jets (by a mile), Pats, Bills, Phins.

Overall D Jets, Bills (very close behind), Pats, Phins

 

QB - Darnold is not substantially better than Allen or Fitzpatrick. Fitz outplayed him with less talent. Allen outplayed him with more talent but still outplayed him. Even if Darnold is better, its not by much.

TE - Mike Gesicki is the best and most accomplished TE in the AFCE right now. Herndon has the potential to be better, but until proven otherwise it's Gesicki.

WR - The Phins and Pats have better WRs than the Jets. You probably weren't paying attention, but Preston Williams is a monster and Parker led the AFC in yards and they still have Albert Wilson. Edelman + Sanu is better than Crowder + Perriman, and until proven otherwise N'Keal >Mims.

LB - You can't say Jets by a mile when the Bills have a top 5 LB duo, who never come off the field since they are also amazing in coverage.

CB - The Jets are miles behind the division mainly due to their outside corners. The best CB on the Jets might not even be a top 10 CB in the division. At best Desir or Poole would be the 8th best CB in the division behind Gilmore, White, Howard, Byron, Mccourtey, JC Jackson, and Jonathan Jones.

Safeties - I'm fine with the ranking, but how can the Jets be miles ahead when the Pats and Bills both have a top 5 Safety duo? You can make a argument that the Jets have the 3rd best Safety duo because they aren't as good against the pass which is more important.

 

Did you really say that overall, the Jets have a better defense than the Bills and Pats? 

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23 minutes ago, Lil O said:

Crowder is 33 receptions, 300 yards receiving, 2+ yards per/rec, and 4 TDs BETTER than Sanu...crowder>Sanu...plus 5 years younger.  Plenty of time to get even better.  And that is with Brady as Sanu’s QB.  He literally had the So called GOAT throwing him the rock and only had 500+ yds and 2 tds. And Crowder was without his 2nd year QB For THREE games and still put up over 800 yds and 6 TDs....would have put up 1000yds and 9 TDS easily.  C’mon, not even close!

That's because Sanu got traded mid season. You also ignore his entire career where he has put up similar numbers to Crowder for years.

Saying Crowder would put up 1000 yards and 9 TDs is foolish. Why are you giving him 1 TD per game missed when he doesn't even average a TD per game?

Also one of those games was against NE so his production would hardly change. Actually with Darnold the 2nd time against NE, he went from 25 yards to 26 yards lol.

 

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41 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Edelman is nice but him and Sanu don’t gel because they work the same area. N’keal Harry isn’t even Breshad Perriman. Heck Perriman was better in 4 games than Sanu was last year. I don’t think there’s much difference between the two WR corps but the Jets have more upside and a better QB. 

Do you think 5 games erases how invisible Perriman has been for his 5 year career. 

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46 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

N’Keal over Mims?  That’s cute

You can't be serious? This has to be a joke.

Harry was a much better prospect and Denzel hasn't even played a snap. Until proven otherwise, N'Keal > Mims.

FFS, a lot of WR needy teams passed on Mims as his stock was plummeting. 

 

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24 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Lol Harry was a reach by the Pats. No one was taking him before AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel. Harry couldn’t separate in college, he’s gonna have to make a career making contested catches at a 47% clip in order to be average. He’s not a particularly dynamic WR. 

Harry was WR1 in most Drafts. AJ Brown was a consensus 2nd rounder, along with Deebo.

Now with hindsight that will change, but that doesn't change how they looked as prospects

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57 minutes ago, cookiemonstaman said:

There is no talent on the pats offense and no pass rush and a bad new qb. Gluck.

The Pats didn't have a pass rush either and they were still elite. They sent zero blitzes 24/7 because they have amazing DBs. That wont change next year.

They struggled with teams who had weapons that could match their DBs like the Chiefs and Texans. They also struggled vs teams that didn't depend on their WRs like the Ravens.

Looking at their 2020 opponenets, the Chiefs, Texans, Cardinals, Seahawks, Bills, and Ravens look like the only teams that have enough fire power to challenge the Pats defense. The Broncos and Dolphins can also potentially make that list.

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21 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I can’t think of any place that had Harry before Hollywood Brown, Metcalf or Brown. They might exist but they probably don’t exist. Harry was a bad pick either way and it’s gonna look worse in when those guys all go on to have really good careers.

Sorry, Hollywood was the consensus #1, but Harry was #2.

 

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2 hours ago, Romanese said:

What I said is that the Jets and Bills are close. If Jets address their CB issues, the Jets have a stronger D--without their best player last year, they were stout against the run. I believe they will be stronger against the pass this year. It will be close, but Bills are not that tough. 

1. The Bills D isn't that tough? They were 2nd in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed.

2. The Jets still lack edge pressure which limits their potential as a defense.

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