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26 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

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The excuses for Darnold are getting awfully Sanchezian, which is never a good sign. 

What are the similar excuses?

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1 hour ago, section314 said:

Just wondering, are the Eagles sending a message to Carson Wentz by drafting Hurts in the 2nd? 

Yes, that message is you're our QB but clearly are not capable of finishing a season, so we need insurance. I hated the pick at first but it makes total sense for the Eagles after thinking about it for a few days.

I know Hurts is off topic but watch this brief interview/whiteboard session with Mariucci and tell me you don't love him:

 

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1 hour ago, Dcat said:

The mono was legit.  Even when he started playing, he didn't look right. Also looked thinner.  Mono knocks the crap out of you.  Endurance is a huge problem, and recovery is lengthy.  So, no... I won't own up to the above.  What was Sanchez's legit excuse?  Other than that, I have no explanation for why Sam insists on throwing off his back foot even when there isn't pressure and why can't they coach it out of him?  He does it in the absence of immediate pressure often enough for it to be an issue.  Seeing ghosts I guess.  This season is huge for Sam and I'm glad there's a rookie learning how to be a back up.

Agreed on all counts

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1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

What are the similar excuses?

Protection, coaching, weapons

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15 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Protection, coaching, weapons

Probably more like common themes with the Jets than just merely excuses. 

This felt like a decent offseason addressing 1 & 3, though. Maybe enough for Darnold to overcome #2? 

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20 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Protection, coaching, weapons

Otherwise known as Weapons of Mass Neglection

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I see Darnold like Stafford, not like Winston or Mariota.

He is good enough to get extended, for alot of money, but together with coaching and existing talent, he and the Jets will find it hard to make the playoffs.  

I think next year could be the magic year.  

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20 minutes ago, slats said:

Probably more like common themes with the Jets than just merely excuses. 

This felt like a decent offseason addressing 1 & 3, though. Maybe enough for Darnold to overcome #2? 

Here’s hoping. I liked our FA moves ok and I loved our draft. Onward and upward.

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9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Here’s hoping. I liked our FA moves ok and I loved our draft. Onward and upward.

If you’re being positive, we actually might be on the right track. 

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1 hour ago, PS17 said:

If you’re being positive, we actually might be on the right track. 

NEVER

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10 hours ago, Dcat said:

I'm on board.  Time to develop our own back up instead of overpaying crappy cast offs.  Just like you, I did like AGG, there and was hoping he'd still be the pick at 129, where we took Clark.  I also was interested in Bredeson, Biadasz and Bryce Hall there.  

AGG went in round 7.  

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5 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

I know everyone here likes to think Douglas was the entire show in Baltimore and Philly, but... I don't think that was the case. 🙄

I'm not saying the kid isn't a prospect, I just don't think he'll help us this year the way another WR would have. *shrug*

How would the ~25th rated WR prospect have helped us this year?

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

How would the ~25th rated WR prospect have helped us this year?

25th rated WR... Exaggerate much?

To me, it's about us needing as many guys as possible who could possibly contribute this year ON the field. But to answer your question, I'd say even the 25th rated WR prospect would probably have helped us than Taylor will this year.

Again, I'm okay with taking a flyer on a Taylor type QB, I just would've preferred WR. It was a 4th round pick however, and even though I think WR would've helped us more, I don't think either would've made much difference as far as wins and losses this year.

 

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1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

25th rated WR... Exaggerate much?

Not really.  Mims was the 12th WR taken, at pick 48.

By the time we picked at the Morgan pick, how many had been taken?  20?  Point being, not a top tier prospect.

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

To me, it's about us needing as many guys as possible who could possibly contribute this year ON the field.

I'll keep asking, which WR available at the Morgan pick was such a sure-fire "contribute on the field" guy exactly?  

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

But to answer your question, I'd say even the 25th rated WR prospect would probably have helped us than Taylor will this year.

If he made the team.  And got playing time.  Not exactly likely, if we're being honest.  

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

Again, I'm okay with taking a flyer on a Taylor type QB, I just would've preferred WR.

And I would have preferred Jeudy at #11.  We don't always gets what we want.  /shrug

1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

It was a 4th round pick however, and even though I think WR would've helped us more, I don't think either would've made much difference as far as wins and losses this year.

Who knows.  

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I don’t know why people are freaking out about Morgan in the 4th. Backup QB’s are drafted in the middle rounds. He’s a pocket passer with a huge arm. And he’s really smart. And the Jets needed depth behind Darnold. 
 

Sure, sign me up. Moving on...

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13 hours ago, slats said:

Personally, I think it would be a nothing burger. I really like Sam's mental makeup. It's one of the reasons I'm still very bullish on him. He comes across as a self-starter that doesn't need any artificial competition for him to get better. He's either gonna seize the job or he's not. I don't think his backup, whoever it may be, would be much of a factor. 

And I also think it's moot. Sam Darnold isn't feeling any pressure from a fourth round QB from Florida International. They'll probably wind up being buds. 

You're on a roll in this thread man.  Incredibly solid points and I tend to agree.  I still struggle with the pick itself and the actual player, but the logic I get.  And your points helped me a bit as well.  Good stuff 

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11 hours ago, Warfish said:

Do you think competition makes people worse, or better?

Ok.  Still not seeing an argument where pushing him is a bad thing.

I don't think anyone is saying competition is a negative thing. Just that Morgan was not brought in due to that being a necessity. Morgan is certainly not competition though. He's just a backup, developmental QB that they liked. nothing more. Nothing less. Well... other than potentially grabbing the developmental backup the Pats or Bills may have wanted as well. Thats a possible little bonus fry at the bottom of the bag. 

 Sam is going to be Sam this year whether or not an FIU Qb with poor mechanics is here or not. 

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13 hours ago, Boynton Beach Jets said:

No problem drafting Morgan, but where we drafted is the problem.  We were the only team to request video on this player.  We could have gotten him later in the draft or traded back and received more picks.  We had many areas to address at that spot.

You don't know that, and nobody ever will. We don't know how many other teams were waiting for Morgan to get him "later in the draft."

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11 hours ago, Warfish said:

NFL GM's cannot afford to engage in pollyanna-ism. 

They have to plan for realitiy as it is, not as they want or hope it to be.  Plan for the worst case, not a utopian best case.

Sam is today what his record says he is:  One of the lowest producing QB's in the NFL after two full seasons, and a guy who has missed substantial time two years in a row.  These are facts.  Fans can rationalize why, and blame everyone else, but the facts remain.

That guy, no matter how optimistic one wants to be (and I AM optimistic about Sam, a stated elsewhere repeatedly) can and should be pushed, can and should have to compete.  Doesn't mean Morgan will beat him out, that's not why Morgan is here.  Morgan is here to back him up and to push him.  

Every player should have to compete. No one should be handed anything. Competition makes everyone better.

Personally, I think picking Morgan over the various low-rated leftovers available at that pick is a nothing burger.  We got guys just as good, if not potentially better, as UDFA.  Nothing whatsoever lost.  It's not like we skipped a Jeudy or Lamb for Morgan. 

And you got the #1 WR guy you lusted for......are you now saying now he's not in fact the guy, not a potential #1?  If Mims is legit, we're fine for 2020 at WR.

I for one will root for Morgan to become an exceptional long-term reliable #2 QB behind Sam, to drive Sam to be better, to make less mistakes, to be the QB we want him to be.  I will root for Morgan to win games for the Jets when Sam inevitably misses time over the next few years.  Having a good backup makes the Jets better.  

Backup QB has been a black-hole of old, costly ineptitude for the Jets for years now.  Hopefully, it no longer will be.

 

Not to assume your age, but you might remember the days of Pat Ryan. He was our steady backup QB for over a decade. I became a fan with Pat Ryan as the backup Qb and he was just always "there" as a Jet to me.  I found it odd and couldn't even comprehend when he moved on to another team. lol  Granted it was a different era and FA didn't exist, but the positive of having a steady reserve like Ryan can not be understated.  When it finally came time for him to put the helmet on and run onto the field as a starting QB, he won us a playoff game. 

That security blanket of having your backup QB position filled with a confident player with some ability is of paramount importance. I think even more so in today's NFL.  JD won 3 superbowls in his NFL career. 2 of them were won by the backup QB having to start. I think that is where the Morgan pick comes from and supports exactly what you are saying here. As much as I wanted to see other players selected where Morgan was, it seems our new GM is just that. An actual NFL GM who does just what you're saying here. Planning for the reality of the world as it is. Not hoping best case scenario comes to fall and governing your actions based on that unrealistic idea. 

Good post. 

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11 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

That's a great idea. Do you have any proof that having competition at this stage in your career makes you a better player?

Meanwhile  one of the huge excuses made by Sanchez apologists is that bringing Tebow in ruined him.  A QB wh sucked and never played QB for us

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2 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

25th rated WR... Exaggerate much?

To me, it's about us needing as many guys as possible who could possibly contribute this year ON the field. But to answer your question, I'd say even the 25th rated WR prospect would probably have helped us than Taylor will this year.

Again, I'm okay with taking a flyer on a Taylor type QB, I just would've preferred WR. It was a 4th round pick however, and even though I think WR would've helped us more, I don't think either would've made much difference as far as wins and losses this year.

 

Theres little reason to believe any of these mythically talented WRs would make the team nevermind contribute.  

Morgan can contribute without playing.  Our 6th WR, who's probably interchangeable with some other player already on the roster or a UDFA won't. 

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Would like to see some actual full game film of the guy rather than just highlights.  All the Youtube stuff is kind of spotty at best.  It would be nice to get a better read on him as a player.

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16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Theres little reason to believe any of these mythically talented WRs would make the team nevermind contribute.  

Morgan can contribute without playing.  Our 6th WR, who's probably interchangeable with some other player already on the roster or a UDFA won't. 

I hear ya but Gandy Golden , Joe Reed, Tyler Johnson or Gabriel Davis very well could have. They were all on the board when we took Morgan. They are most likely going to be very good WR's in this league. Reed may take more time than the rest, but still.  I'm not arguing, just raising the point that these guys really do look to have promising careers ahead of them. your term "Mythical" does hold a lot of weight though. These are all just guys with potential like any other draft.  They do look good but who knows? 

I get the Morgan pick more now than I did when it happened though. I was broken hearted on Sat lol . 

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4 hours ago, JetBlue said:

AGG went in round 7.  

You may be thinking of Donavan Peoples-Jones.  But he was taken in the 6th.  I Was blown away by his slide and the Brownies got an absolute steal that late. He will end up being one of the best WR's in this class imo.  He's got it all outside of college production numbers. And there are many who think he was misused and underutilized by Harbaugh in school. 

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On 4/30/2020 at 12:05 AM, GREENBEAN said:

I hear ya but Gandy Golden , Joe Reed, Tyler Johnson or Gabriel Davis very well could have. They were all on the board when we took Morgan. They are most likely going to be very good WR's in this league. Reed may take more time than the rest, but still.  I'm not arguing, just raising the point that these guys really do look to have promising careers ahead of them. your term "Mythical" does hold a lot of weight though. These are all just guys with potential like any other draft.  They do look good but who knows? 

I get the Morgan pick more now than I did when it happened though. I was broken hearted on Sat lol . 

I hear you, but I wanted Morgan so I was high fiveing myself.  I wanted him somewhere in this draft, I think we could get our backup and possibly an asset down the road.  Guys like Tyler Johnson were on my don't touch list, but that's me, what do I know.   Mims, Perriman, Crowder, Vyncent Smith, Bellamy, Enunwa, Berrios, Chesson, UDFAs.  Thats a lot of WRs, bottom guys and one of those draftees to me would be interchangeable.  Again, not a deep WR guru

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Not really.  Mims was the 12th WR taken, at pick 48.

By the time we picked at the Morgan pick, how many had been taken?  20?  Point being, not a top tier prospect.

I'll keep asking, which WR available at the Morgan pick was such a sure-fire "contribute on the field" guy exactly?  

If he made the team.  And got playing time.  Not exactly likely, if we're being honest.  

And I would have preferred Jeudy at #11.  We don't always gets what we want.  /shrug

Who knows.  

I already said 2x I’m okay with the pick, but would’ve preferred a WR.

I also said why...We lack talent at WR.

You keep asking is there a guarantee that WR would contribute. No, there isn’t. There isn’t a guarantee any draft pick will contribute. *see Jachai Polite* 

You want me to name names... not my job. That’s Douglas’ call. I don’t pretend to know how to judge the talent of mid tier prospects like so many here claim to be able to do. What I can do is see areas on a team that need an infusion of talent. 

I do think though the odds favor a 4th round WR contributing more than a 3rd string QB though. You want to argue that, you aren’t debating. You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You can do that with someone else.

 

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28 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Theres little reason to believe any of these mythically talented WRs would make the team nevermind contribute.  

Morgan can contribute without playing.  Our 6th WR, who's probably interchangeable with some other player already on the roster or a UDFA won't. 

I’ve seen your opinion on the QB, and you made me feel a lot better about him. Our friend Beanie stole the rest of my reply with the post below.

7 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

I hear ya but Gandy Golden , Joe Reed, Tyler Johnson or Gabriel Davis very well could have. They were all on the board when we took Morgan. They are most likely going to be very good WR's in this league. Reed may take more time than the rest, but still.  I'm not arguing, just raising the point that these guys really do look to have promising careers ahead of them. your term "Mythical" does hold a lot of weight though. These are all just guys with potential like any other draft.  They do look good but who knows? 

I get the Morgan pick more now than I did when it happened though. I was broken hearted on Sat lol . 

Good post, buddy. Couldn’t agree more with you here...

Nice to see we’re back on the same page again. 😜

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3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I hear you, but I wanted Morgan so I was high giving myself.  I've wanted him somewhere in this draft, I think we could get our backup and possibly an asset down the road.  Guys like Tyler Johnson were on my don't touch list, but that's me, what do I know.  

Right. There is probably a reason why neither of us do this for a living lol 

So you actually had Morgan as a guy on your list before the draft? That would be the first time I've heard that.  I didn't see him on the radar of any of the guys I speak with or listen to.  That's interesting and I'd be stoked if I got my guy like that. I didn't see that one coming at all. Completely blindsided by the selection. 

I feel that way toward Perine and Hall. Lamar Jackson too. All guys I wanted and had in one of my "official" mocks.  Perine was one of my secret little dark horses I felt really good about.  The only thing with the other two is that I would have taken Hall in the 3rd and Lamar Jackson in the 4th-5th. Lastest would have been 6th. Getting Hall in the 5th and Jackson as an UDFA shows why I'm not a GM and Douglas is. Same players. MUCH much better value. 

So Morgan huh? What had you zeroing in on him? 

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7 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I’ve seen your opinion on the QB, and you made me feel a lot better about him. Our friend Beanie stole the rest of my reply with the post below.

Good post, buddy. Couldn’t agree more with you here...

Nice to see we’re back on the same page again. 😜

HaHa!  It's been a while huh?  This Darnold/Mayfield stuff has our usualyl congealed stances all broken up. It's ok though. You'll come around. :) 

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36 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I already said 2x I’m okay with the pick, but would’ve preferred a WR.

I also said why...We lack talent at WR.

You keep asking is there a guarantee that WR would contribute. No, there isn’t. There isn’t a guarantee any draft pick will contribute. *see Jachai Polite* 

You want me to name names... not my job. That’s Douglas’ call. I don’t pretend to know how to judge the talent of mid tier prospects like so many here claim to be able to do. What I can do is see areas on a team that need an infusion of talent. 

I do think though the odds favor a 4th round WR contributing more than a 3rd string QB though. You want to argue that, you aren’t debating. You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You can do that with someone else.

 

I think the main point is we had WWAAYY too many needs to double dip on decent draft picks at positions of need. We had a HUGE need for a backup QB, and yes, we also do need another WR. Notice how we picked up 2 UDFA WRs. Both have a very good shot to make the PS. There’s also more who will be available as FAs. EVEN if we don’t get another WR- we have Perriman, Mims, Crowder, (Herndon and Griffin back as well), Ur draft pick AT BEST would be our FOURTH receiver and 7th option! Why should we draft a fourth round potential AT BEST fourth receiver on the depth chart, if we can get a solid, reliable backup QB with a big arm with the same pick? 
 

again, this was a well planned draft by a prepared GM. After seeing how it played out, I’m trusting all his picks. 

oh yes And Doctson could just as easily put up decent fourth receiver numbers. 

 

 

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Joe Douglas about QB James Morgan on Boomer & Gio.

"When we watched the tape, we saw his size, arm strength, we saw accuracy. I think he was one of the top leaders in college football in dropped passes so we saw those numbers as well. What really got us excited is when we got in a room with him and he started going over his plays, his offense and tape. The kid has great energy and extremely smart and so we thought if an opportunity like this is available we were going to take a shot."

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7 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Right. There is probably a reason why neither of us do this for a living lol 

So you actually had Morgan as a guy on your list before the draft? That would be the first time I've heard that.  I didn't see him on the radar of any of the guys I speak with or listen to.  That's interesting and I'd be stoked if I got my guy like that. I didn't see that one coming at all. Completely blindsided by the selection. 

I feel that way toward Perine and Hall. Lamar Jackson too. All guys I wanted and had in one of my "official" mocks.  Perine was one of my secret little dark horses I felt really good about.  The only thing with the other two is that I would have taken Hall in the 3rd and Lamar Jackson in the 4th-5th. Lastest would have been 6th. Getting Hall in the 5th and Jackson as an UDFA shows why I'm not a GM and Douglas is. Same players. MUCH much better value. 

So Morgan huh? What had you zeroing in on him? 

Yeah, I saw him play a couple of games and though he could be a guy to draft.  Nothing to serious until I saw him in the East-West Shrine Game and that just made me think he was worth a shot.  Plus I thought here's he perfect Belichick project.  I've been telling my son for months, put it up here a couple of times and mentioned him on our Zoom call draft night.  Trust me, I never expect to hear a guy I like called later in the draft.  He better not suck.  Better not be Hack like, lol

Do you think you dove into the draft harder this year?  I think because it was a new GM having no idea which way he would go, what kind of thinking he follows I did.  At least I think I was more serious, paid more attention

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8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Meanwhile  one of the huge excuses made by Sanchez apologists is that bringing Tebow in ruined him.  A QB wh sucked and never played QB for us

Yeah because trading for Middle America’s sweetheart to be the qb of the future wasn’t distracting 

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Matt Moore sucks and isn’t worthy of a a one year $10 million deal.  Sign Clowney instead with that

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