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On 5/15/2020 at 9:07 AM, AFJF said:

Correct,, but it was his only chance [going to the CFL] to put enough on tape to have a shot at a starting job in the NFL.  If he'd done that, he'd make all that money back many times over.

Nobody ever does that.  Rule Number One for any NFL player who has lost his job is get back in the league any way you can.

The only exception is that once every couple of decades, the CFL tries to prove it can rival the NFL and signs an NFL star or top draft choice to a big contract.  The fantasy doesn't last long, however, and things soon return to normal.

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20 hours ago, FiremanEd52 said:

I hated the Geno Smith era of Jets football.
 

Jeff Cumberland, Clyde Gates, David Nelson, Greg Salas, Stephen Hill, the corpse of Santonio Holmes....


 

How Rex won 8 games with that is mind boggling 

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

How Rex won 8 games with that is mind boggling 

In fairness to Geno, he went whole stretches of a season where his only healthy receiver was Kellen Winslow Jr, who for some reason had difficulty holding onto an NFL job.

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On 5/15/2020 at 2:41 AM, Nixhead said:

Geno seems like a solid backup until he has to actually play.  He couldn’t go 1/2 a game without throwing a dumb interception and maybe a fumble or 2.

He's older and presumably more mature, his team is better and his coaching is way better.  So vast improvement is possible, but by no means guaranteed.

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There are few backups one can truly rely upon to win some games in the starter’s absence. Usually they’re veterans who are backing up rookies & 2nd year QBs with question marks, or are insurance for starters returning from injury, or unusual contract situations like Dak in Dallas. 

Among the majority of QB2/QB3s, who do suck (with whom you’ll likely lose most starts absent dominance on defense), what boxes is a GM/HC really looking to check off for from at least one backup QB entering camp?

  • cheap, with very little guaranteed upon signing 
  • healthy
  • can accurately throw a football >5 yards 
  • experienced (including multiple years starting experience) so he’s focusing on opponent prep not personally adjusting to the NFL or relearning his footwork & other mechanics from week to week
  • was there last year: coach already knows what he is and isn’t; he already knows the play book (and which are most important, as they’re not all equal); he has familiarity with not just the other players on offense, but the team’s D as well so the offense’s reps don’t effectively come to a dead stop when the starter takes a break. I’d say this point is escalated further in a preseason of such uncertainty, that’s got a heightened chance of being abbreviated, because of covid19. 
  • knows his role, knows what the coaches want from him (and what they don’t want from him) in this role; and has a known & good enough rapport with the coaches and the starting QB; isn’t going to be moody about not getting a serious look for the starting job 
  • similar enough skill set that the whole offense doesn’t need to change when he takes snaps (whether in practice or even some live action). 

Based on that he’s a smart signing for them. If he’s needed in a game, whatever he’s physically able to do, he’s unreliable and error prone. But for all the injury predictions due to his size and dual threat use, Wilson is a bit of an Ironman; so it’s unlikely Geno will be needed much or at all in actual games.

We have David Fales. He checks off most of these boxes for Gase and the Jets that Geno does for Seattle. He’s better than Fales but his role is the same. If/when Morgan settles down, or when he shows his upside value in a game is more than just theoretical because he’s an unknown who hasn’t failed yet, then at that point Fales - and possibly any QB3 roster spot - becomes expendable.

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8 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

In fairness to Geno, he went whole stretches of a season where his only healthy receiver was Kellen Winslow Jr, who for some reason had difficulty holding onto an NFL job.

Our receivers were so hideous that year.  The jets literally were fielding an arena league roster

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3 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

There are few backups one can truly rely upon to win some games in the starter’s absence. Usually they’re veterans who are backing up rookies & 2nd year QBs with question marks, or are insurance for starters returning from injury, or unusual contract situations like Dak in Dallas. 

Among the majority of QB2/QB3s, who do suck (with whom you’ll likely lose most starts absent dominance on defense), what boxes is a GM/HC really looking to check off for from at least one backup QB entering camp?

  • cheap, with very little guaranteed upon signing 
  • healthy
  • can accurately throw a football >5 yards 
  • experienced (including multiple years starting experience) so he’s focusing on opponent prep not personally adjusting to the NFL or relearning his footwork & other mechanics from week to week
  • was there last year: coach already knows what he is and isn’t; he already knows the play book (and which are most important, as they’re not all equal); he has familiarity with not just the other players on offense, but the team’s D as well so the offense’s reps don’t effectively come to a dead stop when the starter takes a break. I’d say this point is escalated further in a preseason of such uncertainty, that’s got a heightened chance of being abbreviated, because of covid19. 
  • knows his role, knows what the coaches want from him (and what they don’t want from him) in this role; and has a known & good enough rapport with the coaches and the starting QB; isn’t going to be moody about not getting a serious look for the starting job 
  • similar enough skill set that the whole offense doesn’t need to change when he takes snaps (whether in practice or even some live action). 

Based on that he’s a smart signing for them. If he’s needed in a game, whatever he’s physically able to do, he’s unreliable and error prone. But for all the injury predictions due to his size and dual threat use, Wilson is a bit of an Ironman; so it’s unlikely Geno will be needed much or at all in actual games.

We have David Fales. He checks off most of these boxes for Gase and the Jets that Geno does for Seattle. He’s better than Fales but his role is the same. If/when Morgan settles down, or when he shows his upside value in a game is more than just theoretical because he’s an unknown who hasn’t failed yet, then at that point Fales - and possibly any QB3 roster spot - becomes expendable.

Most backups are as bad as Geno or worse.  We have David Fales who lives up to his name

 

why haven’t we signed unemployed Matt Moore to a reasonable one year deal yet?

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Most backups are as bad as Geno or worse.  We have David Fales who lives up to his name

 

why haven’t we signed unemployed Matt Moore to a reasonable one year deal yet?

Don't know. Is he really any worse than Fales? I doubt it, and he obviously has familiarity/connection with Gase's offense.

He's a good amount older but 35 isn't 45 and he was good enough for KC last year. Agree it's curious, and I'm sure there's a reason or two that hasn't been made public, but at the same time I'm not going to throw a hissy over not having Matt Moore on the roster. 

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