What if Mark Sanchez won a Super Bowl?

[BelgianJet]

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

[UntouchableCrew]

As far as the longer leash probably not by much. I mean, Tannenbaum gave him the big contract extension. The plan was to keep him long term. He just never developed or took the next step. The team was at its best when they were minimizing what they were asking him to do, simplifying the offense, and running the ball. He just wasn't good.

That said, I think your question kind of depends on how we won the Super Bowl.

If we beat Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers 16-6 I don't think Mark Sanchez is Super Bowl MVP or remembered as some conquering hero. I don't think it changes the narrative on him much. He'd be viewed like Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer.... And Rex would have been the one with the longer leash.

But if he balled out and had the best game of his career? Outdueling Brees or Rodgers in a 38-35 type game? I think that would shape the narrative around him big time -- even if it was just a Nick Foles type perception, the one run would certainly be viewed differently by Jets fans and likely the national media. He'd be known for more than the Butt Fumble that's for sure.

[y2k8]

Trent Dilfer 2.0

[KRL]

4 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

Trent Dilfer 2.0

Good comparison.  He definitely wouldn't have been in a QB "battle" with Geno Smith in 2013

[NYJ1]

48 minutes ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

What if the whole world FARTED at once?

[NYDreamer]

His first 2 years with this team, Tannenbaum built a solid team with an offensive line, running game, and brought in veteran WR's to help Mark out.  It was smart, the way you help a young QB out.  There was a lot of excitement with Mark including the first pass he threw to Clowney down the sideline in preseason from our end zone.  After that we drafted defense defense defense and stopped providing the necessary tools for Mark to succeed.  We learned he is not the player that makes those better around him but that the team makes him look better which is fine.  Tannebaum failed to follow up on that philosophy.  

If he won a super bowl for the Jets lets face it, his face would be on the Mount Rushmore of Jets QB's and not remembered for his face imprinted on the buttocks of Brandon Moore.

[nyjunc]

47 minutes ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

See Eli Manning, that's what he becomes.  If our D's played like NYG D's in conference championship games (then SBs)  then mark has 2 SBs and becomes untouchable.

Mark and Eli were very similar, the difference is NYG always surrounded Eli with talent while the Jets did for 2 years and Eli's D's played great throughout the playoff runs while Mark's played great until AFC Championship Game.  Also, mark has a winning record as a starter, Eli does not.

Think about this. In Conference Championship Games Mark led his Os to 17 & 17 and lost both, Eli led his Os to 20 & 17 in regulation and won both.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, KRL said:

Good comparison.  He definitely wouldn't have been in a QB "battle" with Geno Smith in 2013

That's because tannenbaum never gets fired, idzik was why Geno was drafted and why there was a "competition"

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

See Eli Manning, that's what he becomes. 

No, that's who Vinny becomes if the Jets win in 98. Sanchez is still in his relative prime and is completely out of football.

[Daddy Wang Doodle]

I would love that sexy Mexican forever

[freestater]

I would have to say its whether the buttfumble happened in this alternate reality. I'm pretty sure that's the minute I gave up on Mark Sanchez. Dont ever ruin my Thanksgiving, muthafucha. That makes me crusher-level food mad. 

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, NYDreamer said:

His first 2 years with this team, Tannenbaum built a solid team with an offensive line, running game, and brought in veteran WR's to help Mark out.

His first two years here, he walked into a good locker room staffed with solid citizens and a good OL, all thanks to Mangini. As Rex asserted more power over career wimp Tannenbaum, he turned the roster into a dumping ground of thugs and outcasts that no other team wanted. Sanchez got pushed around and emasculated by Santonio Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason, and never really recovered. Sanchez was never going to be tough enough to overcome Rex, but considering Rex destroyed this franchise to the degree we’re still rebuilding it almost a decade later, maybe we shouldn’t blame Sanchez all that much for busting here

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

it didn't take long for superbowl winning qb's like rypien, williams, johnson, and dilfer to fade from view and be supplanted by the next guy.  the only thing that would've been different is tanny would still have been gm in 2013 and genot would've have been picked in 2014.

[nyjunc]

21 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

No, that's who Vinny becomes if the Jets win in 98. Sanchez is still in his relative prime and is completely out of football.

That's also true. Vinny and Eli are also very similar.  Bill Belichick's D's blowing 2nd half leads determined the fate of both.  His D blew a 10 point lead for Vinny and blew late 4 and 2 point leads against Eli.

Mark could be a backup somewhere waiting for a starter to get hurt, he decided not to play anymore.  Eli would have been that same type bouncing around if his D doesn't lead those 2 SB runs.  If they don't win in 07 I don't think he makes it to 11 as he led the league in INTs again in 2010 costing them a playoff spot.

[nyjunc]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

His first two years here, he walked into a good locker room staffed with solid citizens and a good OL, all thanks to Mangini. As Rex asserted more power over career wimp Tannenbaum, he turned the roster into a dumping ground of thugs and outcasts that no other team wanted. Sanchez got pushed around and emasculated by Santonio Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason, and never really recovered. Sanchez was never going to be tough enough to overcome Rex, but considering Rex destroyed this franchise to the degree we’re still rebuilding it almost a decade later, maybe we shouldn’t blame Sanchez all that much for busting here

Mangini was amazing, he was just as great in Cleveland building a winning culture there and with this amazing success teams have been knocking down his door to hire him but he just tells them no thanks.

 

Rex destroyed the franchise ??

 

He took a team the great mangini couldn't even get to the playoffs with a HOF QB, weaker schedule and no Brady around and made 2 AFC Championship Games.  

 

To recap- mangini great, Rex sucks ??

 

You can't make this stuff up

[nyjunc]

14 minutes ago, freestater said:

I would have to say its whether the buttfumble happened in this alternate reality. I'm pretty sure that's the minute I gave up on Mark Sanchez. Dont ever ruin my Thanksgiving, muthafucha. That makes me crusher-level food mad. 

The most meaningless play in the history of sports.

[Gastineau Lives]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

His first two years here, he walked into a good locker room staffed with solid citizens and a good OL, all thanks to Mangini. As Rex asserted more power over career wimp Tannenbaum, he turned the roster into a dumping ground of thugs and outcasts that no other team wanted. Sanchez got pushed around and emasculated by Santonio Holmes, Plaxico, and Derrick Mason, and never really recovered. Sanchez was never going to be tough enough to overcome Rex, but considering Rex destroyed this franchise to the degree we’re still rebuilding it almost a decade later, maybe we shouldn’t blame Sanchez all that much for busting here

Tannenbaum, Rex destroyed the franchise and were absolute idiots. John Idzik was a really great football mind who got a raw deal. Everyone else in the last ten years were facing an insurmountable challenge. It takes at least 15 - 45 years to turn an NFL football team around. 

DM me and we'll discuss reconstruction era US and post ww2 Japan. Its gonna be fun! I'm grabbing some tea and pajamas but will be right back, amigo!

[Losmeister]

1 hour ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

that reminds me. bob griese sucked and he is in the HOF

[GKnight83]

51 minutes ago, KRL said:

Good comparison.  He definitely wouldn't have been in a QB "battle" with Geno Smith in 2013

If the Jets had won a SB with Sanchez they would never have drafted Geno Smith.

[T0mShane]

13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Mangini was amazing, he was just as great in Cleveland building a winning culture there and with this amazing success teams have been knocking down his door to hire him but he just tells them no thanks.

 

Rex destroyed the franchise ??

 

He took a team the great mangini couldn't even get to the playoffs with a HOF QB, weaker schedule and no Brady around and made 2 AFC Championship Games.  

 

To recap- mangini great, Rex sucks ??

 

You can't make this stuff up

Mangini was kneecapped by Mike Holmgren—who wanted to coach again— in Cleveland, which got both of them fired after two seasons. Rex went to Buffalo, rat****ed yet another GM, and got himself thrown out of Buffalo after two seasons when they caught on that he was a fraud. Rex can’t even get an interview to coach linebackers at a D-III school since then. 

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Tannenbaum, Rex destroyed the franchise and were absolute idiots. John Idzik was a really great football mind who got a raw deal. Everyone else in the last ten years were facing an insurmountable challenge. It takes at least 15 - 45 years to turn an NFL football team around. 

DM me and we'll discuss reconstruction era US and post ww2 Japan. Its gonna be fun! I'm grabbing some tea and pajamas but will be right back, amigo!

You had to hire Idzik in the first place because nobody wanted to work with Rex. Reconstruction was a mistake and we should have let everyone south of the Mason-Dixon starve to death, then used the territory for parking and golf.

[JTJet]

50 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

What if the whole world FARTED at once?

We would be putting Sam Darnold in a rocket destined for the next habitable world with the hope he becomes SuperSam in another galaxy.

[SAR I]

He belongs in the Ring Of Honor based on his accomplishments right now, no Super Bowl necessary. 

SAR I

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

[Lith]

I have sometimes thought about the other side of this.  What if the Colts had not rested Peyton Manning in week 16 of the 2009 season.  We probably lose that game, miss the playoffs and Sanchez, Rex and Tanny only have that one playoff run in 2010.  Rex probably gets fired with Tanny after the 2012 season - without a mandate that Rex is HC, could the GM search have been different.  Maybe we never hire Idzik to fire him in 2 seasons and replace him with Macc.

But we can all play the what if game forever.  We had a couple of nice playoff runs, but fell short.  I have some great memories from those two seasons.  But now we are stuck in the middle of a lost decade.  I want to see this team in the playoffs again.  This season.  No excuses.

[Gastineau Lives]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You had to hire Idzik in the first place because nobody wanted to work with Rex. Reconstruction was a mistake and we should have let everyone south of the Mason-Dixon starve to death, then used the territory for parking and golf.

I made tea for nothing.

[nyjunc]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mangini was kneecapped by Mike Holmgren—who wanted to coach again— in Cleveland, which got both of them fired after two seasons. Rex went to Buffalo, rat****ed yet another GM, and got himself thrown out of Buffalo after two seasons when they caught on that he was a fraud. Rex can’t even get an interview to coach linebackers at a D-III school since then. 

Always the fault of others.

Why isn't the rest of the league lining up to hire Eric for their front office?

Rex did fine in Buffalo with the healthy talent he had, if he coached us in 2015 we easily make the playoffs.

In 7 full seasons Rex only had 2 losing seasons, mangini in 5 had 3. In the 5 seasons post Rex the Jets have had 4.

[nyjunc]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You had to hire Idzik in the first place because nobody wanted to work with Rex. Reconstruction was a mistake and we should have let everyone south of the Mason-Dixon starve to death, then used the territory for parking and golf.

Firing tannenbaum and hiring idzik is what destroyed the franchise. Idzik was determined to get rid of Rex and that led to his downfall which led to macc and Bowles. Hopefully we finally have it right with Douglas but time will tell.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Always the fault of others.

Why isn't the rest of the league lining up to hire Eric for their front office?

Rex did fine in Buffalo with the healthy talent he had, if he coached us in 2015 we easily make the playoffs.

In 7 full seasons Rex only had 2 losing seasons, mangini in 5 had 3. In the 5 seasons post Rex the Jets have had 4.

Mangini pulled the tarp off the biggest cheating scandal in sports since Shoeless Joe Jackson and single-handedly slapped an asterisk on twenty year’s worth of NFL record-keeping. He turned the league’s banner franchise into a Ben Johnson/Lance Armstrong/Barry Bonds-level exemplar of fraud and illegitimacy. 
 

Now, your turn, why hasn’t Rex been able to get so much as an interview for a coaching job since he was escorted out of the Bills facility five years ago? And this, despite his annual groveling for a job every offseason?

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Firing tannenbaum and hiring idzik is what destroyed the franchise. Idzik was determined to get rid of Rex and that led to his downfall which led to macc and Bowles. Hopefully we finally have it right with Douglas but time will tell.

You only got Idzik because nobody wanted to inherit Rex. You cannot separate the two.

[slats]

28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mangini was kneecapped by Mike Holmgren—who wanted to coach again— in Cleveland, which got both of them fired after two seasons. Rex went to Buffalo, rat****ed yet another GM, and got himself thrown out of Buffalo after two seasons when they caught on that he was a fraud. Rex can’t even get an interview to coach linebackers at a D-III school since then. 

Neither can Mangini. The difference is, Mangini could probably really use the money right about now. 

 

[Jetsfan80]

Sanchez is the reason we DIDN'T win a Super Bowl in '09 or '10.  People still trying to look back on his career with any positivity should just be fired into the sun along with Sanchez himself.  

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, BelgianJet said:

1) Would he have gotten a longer leash here?

2) Even if he flamed out would he qualify for the ring of honor?

3)If not the ring of honor how would he be perceived amongst Jets fans and Nationally?

The only other QB that was similar to me was Blake Bortles in the sense that he was a high draft pick that delivered a close run to the Super Bowl.  

I think the bigger question is would he have gotten a longer leash if he didn’t get pummeled in that Ravens game in 2011 that ultimately ruined his confidence and his throwing shoulder.

PS 

I also think Sanchez regardless of the situation was not a good QB, and glad the Jets moved on.

[Greenbloodblitz]

Self Quarantine.. I've also been home alone for quite some time. Hopefully this is NOT the new normal!? 

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

Neither can Mangini. The difference is, Mangini could probably really use the money right about now. 

 

Tough out there for a whistleblower. What’s Rex’s excuse?