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7 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Jets Fans: He's more than a Strong Safety

Also Jets Fans: You're not allowed to talk about the fact that he doesn't have interceptions.

But, look, you got me.  If this gentleman from Germany who writes for a Jets fan site says it, what do I know?

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Almost as funny as when @Pac referenced an article written by a middle schooler to justify his continued support for Rex Ryan.

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Ed Reed was a dominant Safety long after that 2000 season.  He wasn't dependent on the talent around him to be the game's best ballhawk.    

Adams has been far from dominant.  And because of his limited athleticism, he's not going to have the longevity of other elite Safeties.  By the time he's 28-29 you'll start to see a steep decline in his performance.  

ed reed and jamal adams play different positions. and limited athleticism? 

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1 hour ago, DLJ said:

The Jets are being eviscerated on ESPN over this

I mean

1) The media (mainstream and local) hate the Jets and the national media is increasingly pro-player anti-team.

2) There are no sports on. This is literally the news of the day, everyone's going to have a piping hot take.

Nothing to see here.

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19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

JD is not Mike Maccagnan.  I trust he'll make smart decisions with his picks.  And even if he doesn't, that's not a good argument against trading Adams.  Not only would we add draft capital, we avoid paying a Box Safety/LB hybrid $17M+ per season.  We can use those cap dollars much more effectively elsewhere on the roster.

Imagine if we sign, say, a Keenan Allen or Juju Smith-Schuster with some of that money we save?  Or perhaps an EDGE rusher like Matt Judon, Bud Dupree or Justin Houston?  Or even just save up that money so we can afford Darnold without sacrificing a quality roster surrounding him?

A box safety/hybrid LB sounds pretty good to me. I don’t really care about labels. I just care about how a player impacts the game, and when I watch the games, I see Jamal Adams everywhere on the field most of the time. 

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11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Ed Reed was a dominant Safety long after that 2000 season.  He wasn't dependent on the talent around him to be the game's best ballhawk.    

Adams has been far from dominant.  And because of his limited athleticism, he's not going to have the longevity of other elite Safeties.  By the time he's 28-29 you'll start to see a steep decline in his performance.  

Adams has been “far from dominant”?  A two time All Pro?

 

You might want to walk that one back. 

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5 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Draft pickz are like Crissmass mawning, you don't know wut yaw gonna get, but itz gonna be awsum!

Yet you can't build a perennial contender without them.

One thing is for sure:  Paying $17M+ per season for a Safety that doesn't generate turnovers isn't a smart allocation of resources.  

I have a feeling JD understands this and will draw a line in the sand on Jamal that a lot of Jamal fans won't like.

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12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Self-promotion and media hype.  

I evaluate Safeties based on turnovers forced, as they have been evaluated for decades.  Period.  Put up or shut up.  

By that logic though, a safety less talented than Jamal Adams but with more INT’s would’ve won the All Pro award. 

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36 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

It would have been more had we traded him last October before the deadline. Now that Jamal is throwing the inevitable holdout tantrum we all knew was coming, teams are going to low ball the sh*t out of us.

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5 hours ago, heymangold said:

it's useless to even try and convince either side of this debate.  

@Patriot Killa made the switch and is now a staunch "pro-trade" advocate.  

Others will see the light too once they see how much of an a$$ Jamal makes of himself over his contract the next several months.  It'll make the Revis negotiations look like civil discourse by comparison.  

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5 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

That means the Jets have to do a better job with the roster.  Nothing to with Jamal

Part of that "doing better with the roster" will include not paying him what he wants.  

Paying Adams the $17M+ per that he's undoubtedly looking for would be a Macc kind of decision, thus tying up $38M+ per on an ILB and SS when we need pass rushers and corners on the defense and quite a bit more help on the offensive side of the ball.  

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1 hour ago, choon328 said:

The trading team also has to pay him $17+ million per year and a massive bonus.  You have to factor that in. 

Can't believe Jamal expects $17+mil a year.  Not gonna get that from JD for sure.  

Would think JD would pose the negotiations in such a way...that a team would have to blow him out of the water with an offer he can't refuse.  JD can play JA this year.  And I would think he can get a #1-3 picks before next year's draft.  

A lot of this could be just part of the negotiations.  And Irvin...is doing his loyal Cowboys thing...in selling...an seducing JA in coming to Dallas.

I just don't see Jamal going anywhere this year...unless the offer is ridiculous.  And can't imagine JD being that concerned with any dilemma some other team would have...with a foolish notion of a yearly $17+mil and huge bonus...they would have with JA to sign.  That's their problem. 

Again...I just don't think JD will trade JA this year.  He's got the leverage and doesn't need to trade for fair value.  He can get fair value after this season is over.

JMO.  

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4 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

1982 and 83 Giants had losing records.  1983 Giants won 3 games.  Giants lost with Lawrence Taylor !  They could have lost without him.  Should have traded him.

 

Great argument 

 

 

Can’t wait for the predictable response

 

If you really think we're going to see a Jamal Adams that turns into the next Sean Taylor, I've got a bridge to sell you.

What we've seen to date out of Jamal is what he is.  He's not a tremendous athlete.  He's not a guy who can get INT's.  

LT had 7.5 sacks in 9 games in his 2nd year, and 9 sacks and 2 INT's in his 3rd season.  He showed flashes of future brilliance early on.  

With Jamal, he lacks the elite productivity AND the impact on the W-L column.  

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4 hours ago, JiF said:

Yeah but like that wasnt the case.  The wins were sighted as why the Jets would fine without him.  It's silly.

 

If he doesn't have elite productivity OR wins, what dollar figure do you assign him?  And what argument can you make about how far the defense will fall in the rankings without him?

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1 hour ago, Ohhthepain said:

It would have been more had we traded him last October before the deadline. Now that Jamal is throwing the inevitable holdout tantrum we all knew was coming, teams are going to low ball the sh*t out of us.

JD has the leverage an won't trade him this year for nothing less then a huge haul.  He can let Jamal play this year and get those #1-3 picks before next year's draft.  

We should know by now...JD does things on his terms.  And won't be pressured into doing it on other's.  Doesn't care about the noise surrounding him.

That's why I trust this GM NYJ.   JD's legit.

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25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yet you can't build a perennial contender without them.

One thing is for sure:  Paying $17M+ per season for a Safety that doesn't generate turnovers isn't a smart allocation of resources.  

I have a feeling JD understands this and will draw a line in the sand on Jamal that a lot of Jamal fans won't like.

Okay, aside from Jamal, are you saying that you shouldn't draft good players because they'll all be asking for new contracts after three seasons? Because that is some monumental drafting you'll have to be constantly producing.

I just think some people fetishize draft picks.

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1 hour ago, heymangold said:

what makes you believe this?  adams is exceptional in coverage, nobody gives him credit for it.  he blitzes extremely well and is better against the run.  in addition, do you really expect Davis to hop right in and make up for the loss of not only Adams but Maye at FS?

If Davis isn't ready, just go out and sign Logan Ryan.  His profile fits the FS position better than CB anyways.  

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1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I think the positional argument is tad overexaggeratedated.  In my opinion, simply my opinion, as the NFL continues to evolve more and more to the spread offense, RPO, Mobile QB dominant landscape it seems to be heading, players like Adams will become more valuable, not less.

Just my 2 cents.  

In no universe is a Safety who can't produce turnovers more valuable than one who can.  

We played a bunch of junk teams last year and had a top 10 defense.  Let's see what happens this year when Jamal, a healthy Mosley, and all our new additions go up against Pat Mahomes.  Methinks that might be a game Jamal misses due to some vague injury, then tweets a bunch of anti-management stuff when we allow 425 passing yards.

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If Davis isn't ready, just go out and sign Logan Ryan.  His profile fits the FS position better than CB anyways.  

so you'd be OK to pay an almost 30 yr old Logan Ryan to a 10M+ contract, a guy that's never made a pro bowl but is still a good, not great player to play a position he's never played before, but not sign a homegrown, 24 yr old ALL PRO?

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3 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Okay, aside from Jamal, are you saying that you shouldn't draft good players because they'll all be asking for new contracts after three seasons? Because that is some monumental drafting you'll have to be constantly producing.

Exactly. The thinking seems to be: only draft a QB, Edge, or LT with a top ten pick. Because if that player becomes a top shelf player, you don’t pay them unless they play a “premium position”. 
 

That’s a lot of good players being shown the door. 

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1 hour ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

"The Rams don't take calls on Aaron Donald...the Patriots don't take calls on Tom Brady. That's where I hold myself, in that regard" – @TheAdamsEra on the trade rumors

 

I mean.... It's completely mind-boggling why they didn't trade this guy either before the trade deadline or at least during the draft. He wants to be paid as one of the best players in the league, not just a good strong safety.

Even if he's the best SS in the NFL, what's that worth?

 

About $14-15M per and I wouldn't pay him that.  

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

In no universe is a Safety who can't produce turnovers more valuable than one who can.  

We played a bunch of junk teams last year and had a top 10 defense.  Let's see what happens this year when Jamal, a healthy Mosley, and all our new additions go up against Pat Mahomes.  Methinks that might be a game Jamal misses due to some vague injury, then tweets a bunch of anti-management stuff when we allow 425 passing yards.

Defense serves no purpose in today’s NFL other than creating turnovers to give offenses more possessions. The rule changes dictate it. This is basically the juiced ball era of NFL, which ironically is highlighted by deflated balls.

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48 minutes ago, heymangold said:

wasn't isaiah simmons one of the most heralded prospects of this draft?  a guy that can play safety, linebacker, edge rusher, big nickel, etc.  thats what jamal does.

Yes and I had no interest in Isaiah Simmons.  

I don't want a Swiss Army Knife.  Anyone who owns a Swiss Army Knife these days knows they suck.  

I'd rather have someone who is really good/elite at doing one thing over being good at several things.  Hence why I wanted EDGE Josh Allen over Quinnen Williams if we had to stick and pick at 3 in '19.  I don't care much about run stuffing.  

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

In no universe is a Safety who can't produce turnovers more valuable than one who can.  

We played a bunch of junk teams last year and had a top 10 defense.  Let's see what happens this year when Jamal, a healthy Mosley, and all our new additions go up against Pat Mahomes.  Methinks that might be a game Jamal misses due to some vague injury, then tweets a bunch of anti-management stuff when we allow 425 passing yards.

you really gotta give up the whole positional argument.  it's been busted many times before.  he's excellent in coverage and everything else that a safety does.  his role isn't to play coverage and collect interceptions.  it's to be that hybrid guy that plays the run, blitzes and go into coverage when asked.  and he's the best in the NFL at it.

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We live in a country where the same folks that reward people for grotesque self-promotion, are the people that long for the “better times” of the old days. It’s confusing.

So, basically, this debate is an endless loop. 

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes and I had no interest in Isaiah Simmons.  

I don't want a Swiss Army Knife.  Anyone who owns a Swiss Army Knife these days knows they suck.  

I'd rather have someone who is really good/elite at doing one thing over being good at several things.  Hence why I wanted EDGE Josh Allen over Quinnen Williams if we had to stick and pick at 3 in '19.  I don't care much about run stuffing.  

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38 minutes ago, heymangold said:

ed reed and jamal adams play different positions. and limited athleticism? 

Correct.  Ed Reed plays the important one.  Jamal does not.

And yes, I said it, limited athleticism.  @T0mShane has posted his SPARQ chart many times before.  And there's also this:

SS RAS Table

 MathBomb  Uncategorized  January 17, 2017 13 Minutes

Below is a table containing the entire RAS database for strong safeties, ordered from the highest RAS of 10.00, former Carolina Panthers 5th round pick from 2001, Jarrod Cooper, through the very lowest.

Year Pos Name School ATRAS RAS
1987 SS Bruce Plummer Mississippi State 6.25 10
1988 SS Anthony Newman Oregon 9.53 10
1989 SS Louis Oliver Florida 9.91 10
1999 SS Scott Shields Weber State 9.93 10
2001 SS Jarrod Cooper Kansas State 10 10
2002 SS Wesly Mallard Oregon 9.99 9.93
1999 SS Antuan Edwards Clemson 9.94 9.92
2015 SS Byron Jones Connecticut 9.96 9.92
1998 SS Tebucky Jones Syracuse 9.4 9.91
2007 SS Brannon Condren Troy 9.97 9.9
2017 SS Obi Melifonwu Connecticut 9.9 9.87
2018 SS Terrell Edmunds Virginia Tech 9.89 9.87
1999 SS Marquis Smith California 9.66 9.75
2002 SS Jon McGraw Kansas State 9.87 9.74
2013 SS Ryan McWethy Wisconsin – Platteville 9.83 9.73
2014 SS Dezmen Southward Wisconsin 9.77 9.72
2001 SS Adrian Wilson North Carolina State 9.47 9.71
1997 SS Torrian Gray Virginia Tech 8.55 9.7
2006 SS Michael Huff Texas 9.84 9.69
2013 SS Earl Wolff North Carolina State 9.76 9.67
2012 SS Matt Johnson Eastern Washington 9.74 9.66
2014 SS LJ McCray Catawba 9.8 9.66
2016 SS Kamu Grugier-Hill Eastern Illinois 9.81 9.66
1992 SS Darren Woodson Arizona State 9.61 9.65
2009 SS Al Afalava Oregon State 9.86 9.65
2018 SS Justin Reid Stanford 9.7 9.65
2006 SS Daniel Bullocks Nebraska 9.78 9.64
2019 SS Will Harris Boston College 9.64 9.64
2007 SS Sabby Piscitelli Oregon State 9.68 9.62
2014 SS Mycal Swaim Eastern Michigan 9.71 9.53
1988 SS Bennie Blades Miami 7.05 9.52
2013 SS Cooper Taylor Richmond 9.67 9.52
2009 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 9.74 9.51
1997 SS Eric Vance Vanderbilt 8.3 9.5
1992 SS Matt Darby UCLA 8.49 9.47
1998 SS Izell Reese Alabama-Birmingham 8.28 9.46
2006 SS Bernard Pollard Purdue 9.54 9.44
2015 SS Justin Currie Western Michigan 9.63 9.43
1999 SS Rich Coady Texas A&M 8.86 9.42
2002 SS Coy Wire Stanford 9.55 9.4
2016 SS Jordan Lucas Penn State 9.57 9.38
1998 SS Damien Richardson Arizona State 8.06 9.37
1999 SS Matt Graham Indiana State 9.08 9.34
2018 SS Derwin James Florida State 9.38 9.33
1994 SS Michael Davis Cincinnati 7.84 9.32
1997 SS Tremain Mack Miami 6.84 9.31
1992 SS Chris Crooms Texas A&M 7.83 9.3
2000 SS Eric Johnson Nebraska 9.02 9.3
2013 SS Orhian Johnson Ohio State 9.6 9.3
2017 SS Josh Jones North Carolina State 9.41 9.29
2003 SS Troy Polamalu USC 9.51 9.24
2013 SS Shamarko Thomas Syracuse 9.5 9.24
2015 SS Josh Furman Michigan 9.58 9.24
2017 SS Branden Leston Western Kentucky 9.35 9.23
1996 SS Leron Hudgins Air Force 7.76 9.22
1993 SS Lance Gunn Texas 7.57 9.21
2002 SS Marques Anderson UCLA 9.31 9.21
2017 SS Rudy Ford Auburn 9.32 9.21
1998 SS Ryan Sutter Colorado 7.18 9.19
2004 SS Bob Sanders Iowa 9.27 9.16
2000 SS Bobby Myers Wisconsin 8.61 9.14
2002 SS Dan Dawson Rice 9.44 9.14
2017 SS Jabrill Peppers Michigan 9.24 9.12
1991 SS Joe King Oklahoma State 6.16 9.11
2011 SS Joe Lefeged Rutgers 9.45 9.09
2012 SS Harrison Smith Notre Dame 9.37 9.09
2019 SS Amani Hooker Iowa 9.09 9.09
2002 SS Michael Lewis Colorado 9.18 9.07
2010 SS Sergio Brown Notre Dame 9.43 9.07
2012 SS Deshawn Shead Portland State 9.3 9.06
1988 SS Danny Copeland Eastern Kentucky 6.24 9.05
1993 SS Roger Harper Ohio State 7.31 9.05
2004 SS Arnold Parker Utah 9.11 9.04
2008 SS Tyrell Johnson Arkansas State 9.34 9.04
2014 SS Deone Bucannon Washington State 9.48 9.02
1997 SS Darren Sharper William & Mary 7.28 9.01
1998 SS Eric Brown Mississippi State 7.46 9.01
2007 SS Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech 9.25 8.99
2012 SS Sean Richardson Vanderbilt 9.22 8.99
2012 SS Donovan Richard South Carolina State 9.28 8.96
2016 SS Sharrod Neasman Florida Atlantic 9.21 8.94
2017 SS Viliami Moeakiola Arizona State 9.12 8.94
1998 SS Lloyd Lee Dartmouth 6.65 8.92
2003 SS Terrence Kiel Texas A&M 8.99 8.92
2019 SS Zedrick Woods Mississippi 8.91 8.91
1990 SS Harlon Barnett Michigan State 5.23 8.89
1991 SS Harry Colon Missouri 5.91 8.89
2014 SS Jerome Couplin III William & Mary 9.17 8.85
2015 SS Brandon King Auburn 9.05 8.85
1999 SS Armon Hatcher Oregon State 7.79 8.84
2006 SS Donte Whitner Ohio State 8.95 8.82
2002 SS Chad Williams Southern Mississippi 8.53 8.81
2004 SS Jammal Lord Nebraska 9.14 8.8
2013 SS Akeem Davis Memphis 9.2 8.76
2000 SS Tyrone Carter Minnesota 8.12 8.75
2011 SS Ron Parker Newberry 9.04 8.72
2002 SS Willie Offord South Carolina 8.41 8.68
2008 SS Josh Barrett Arizona State 8.95 8.67
2013 SS Shawn Williams Georgia 9.15 8.67
2003 SS Curry Burns Louisville 8.75 8.66
2006 SS Eric Smith Michigan State 8.89 8.62
2012 SS Jordan Bernstine Iowa 9.02 8.62
2010 SS Andrew Sendejo Rice 8.84 8.58
1996 SS Marcus Coleman Texas Tech 6.64 8.56
2015 SS Brian Suite Utah State 8.98 8.54
2012 SS Travis Sandersfeld Colorado 9.07 8.52
2006 SS Darnell Bing Southern California 8.62 8.51
2019 SS Marcus Epps Wyoming 8.51 8.51
1994 SS John Covington Notre Dame 6.61 8.49
2014 SS Thomas Gordon Michigan 8.81 8.49
2007 SS Craig Dahl North Dakota State 8.85 8.46
2015 SS Akeem King San Jose State 8.97 8.46
2017 SS Donald Payne Stetson 8.74 8.43
2006 SS Jarrad Page UCLA 8.82 8.41
2018 SS Zed Brown West Georgia 8.48 8.38
2012 SS Matt Daniels Duke 8.92 8.36
2008 SS Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame 8.71 8.35
2011 SS Hugo Lopez Toronto 8.65 8.34
1987 SS Tim Mcdonald Southern California 3.89 8.33
1996 SS Sean Boyd North Carolina 5.98 8.33
2005 SS Andre Maddox North Carolina State 7.96 8.32
2012 SS Tysyn Hartman Kansas State 8.68 8.32
2019 SS Marquise Blair Utah 8.3 8.3
2007 SS Rashad Barksdale Albany 8.66 8.27
2013 SS Steven Terrell Texas A&M 8.78 8.27
1993 SS Blaine Bishop Ball State 5.79 8.25
1996 SS Conrad Hamilton Eastern New Mexico 6.77 8.22
2015 SS Clayton Geathers Central Florida 8.88 8.22
2002 SS Chris Hope Florida State 7.97 8.21
2011 SS Isa Abdul-Quddus Colorado 8.69 8.19
2018 SS Marcus Allen Penn State 8.33 8.19
2010 SS Stevie Brown Michigan 8.79 8.18
2016 SS Miles Killebrew Southern Utah 8.72 8.18
2013 SS J.J. Wilcox Georgia Southern 8.76 8.15
2004 SS Guss Scott Florida 8.18 8.13
1988 SS Kevin Porter Auburn 5.23 8.1
1994 SS Larry Whigham Louisiana-Monroe 5.89 8.08
2007 SS Michael Griffin Texas 8.56 8.08
2014 SS Maurice Alexander Utah State 8.64 8.07
2017 SS Yamen Sanders Montana 8.32 8.06
2017 SS D.J. May Wyoming 8.38 8.04
1997 SS Jamel Williams Nebraska 5.55 8.02
1999 SS Damon Moore Ohio State 6.85 8.02
2019 SS Andrew Soroh Florida Atlantic 8.02 8.02
2019 SS Corrion Ballard Utah 7.99 7.99
2000 SS Tinker Keck Cincinnati 7.3 7.97
2017 SS Orion Stewart Baylor 8.35 7.97
2002 SS Chris Young Georgia Tech 7.74 7.95
2019 SS Jacob Thieneman Purdue 7.95 7.95
2010 SS Darrell Stuckey Kansas 8.13 7.94
2016 SS Marwin Evans Utah State 8.58 7.94
2012 SS Mark Barron Alabama 8.45 7.92
2016 SS Kevin Byard Middle Tennesse State 8.52 7.91
2004 SS George Wilson Arkansas 7.82 7.89
2015 SS Robenson Therezie Auburn 8.59 7.89
2018 SS Trey Marshall Florida State 8.03 7.89
2001 SS Tony Dixon Alabama 6.75 7.87
2017 SS Delano Hill Michigan 8.25 7.86
2017 SS Derrick Moncreif Oklahoma State 8.16 7.82
1991 SS Louis Riddick Pittsburgh 5.92 7.78
2014 SS Brock Vereen Minnesota 8.36 7.74
2016 SS Kentrell Brice Louisiana Tech 8.07 7.7
2012 SS Jose Gumbs Monmouth 8.42 7.68
2004 SS Tony Bua Arkansas 7.87 7.65
2005 SS C.C. Brown Louisiana-Lafayette 8.2 7.65
2007 SS Jessie Daniels Louisiana State 8.25 7.64
1988 SS Keith Taylor Illinois 6.22 7.62
2012 SS Corey White Samford 8.39 7.62
2017 SS Xavier Woods Louisiana Tech 7.86 7.59
2016 SS Derrick Kindred Texas Christian 8.43 7.58
2015 SS Isaiah Johnson Georgia Tech 8.46 7.57
2017 SS Nicolas Morrow Greenville 7.93 7.57
1996 SS Leomont Evans Clemson 5.03 7.56
2013 SS Keelan Johnson Arizona State 8.15 7.55
2008 SS Chris Chamberlain Tulsa 8.05 7.52
1990 SS Alton Montgomery Houston 3.99 7.5
2000 SS Matt Bowen Iowa 6.82 7.5
2005 SS Jerome Carter Florida State 7.41 7.49
2006 SS Danieal Manning Abilene Christian 7.54 7.49
2015 SS Harold Jones-Quartey Findlay 8.26 7.49
2019 SS Mike Edwards Kentucky 7.49 7.49
2017 SS Ironhead Gallon Georgia Southern 7.77 7.48
2000 SS Erik Olson Colorado State 6.81 7.42
2005 SS Donte Nicholson Oklahoma 7.56 7.37
2015 SS Ibraheim Campbell Northwestern 8.19 7.36
2019 SS Reggan Northrup Iowa State 7.36 7.36
2001 SS Shaunard Harts Boise State 6.03 7.35
2009 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 8 7.35
2016 SS Clayton Fejedelem Illinois 8.22 7.34
1991 SS Floyd Fields Arizona State 6.19 7.33
2010 SS Grant Shaw CFL 7.61 7.33
2013 SS Jonathan Cyprien Florida International 8.09 7.33
1993 SS Deral Boykin Louisville 4.7 7.3
2008 SS Jamar Adams Michigan 7.66 7.29
2014 SS Dewey McDonald California 8.1 7.29
2012 SS Jerron McMillian Maine 7.9 7.21
2019 SS Andrew Wingard Wyoming 7.21 7.21
2019 SS Foster Reznor Gannon 7.2 7.2
1992 SS Terry Ray Oklahoma 5.4 7.19
2006 SS Dawan Landry Georgia Tech 7.6 7.18
2009 SS William Moore Missouri 7.92 7.17
2010 SS Kurt Coleman Ohio State 7.73 7.17
1988 SS Erik Mcmillan Missouri 4.04 7.14
2019 SS Gaje Ferguson Utah State 7.14 7.14
2018 SS Kelsey Douglas Southern Mississippi 7.24 7.13
2013 SS Duke Williams Nevada 7.72 7.12
1991 SS Aaron Jackson Arkansas 4.6 7.11
2017 SS Justin Evans Texas A&M 7.51 7.11
2010 SS Barry Church Toledo 7.8 7.09
2017 SS Arnel Farmer California PA 7.5 7.09
2017 SS Jamal Adams Louisiana State 7.54 7.06

 

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40 minutes ago, Prez33 said:

A box safety/hybrid LB sounds pretty good to me. I don’t really care about labels. I just care about how a player impacts the game, and when I watch the games, I see Jamal Adams everywhere on the field most of the time. 

"Everywhere" on the field, doing things that don't matter a whole lot in the NFL in 2020.  

And actually, its false that he was "everywhere".  Gregg Williams wisely recognized that Jamal is not a good centerfielder, and had him playing close to the LOS most of the time.  That limits how much of an impact he can have on the game.  It also puts a strain on the rest of the secondary.  Williams was using Adams as a band-aid, not a long-term solution.  

Then, JD went out and used the 3rd pick of his tenure on Ashtyn Davis, a true center fielder.  

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Some other teams may be willing to pay Adams more than the Jets.  In years gone by the Jets would be THAT team,   The one who other teams looked at and who (over) paid whatever some agent was asking.  Whether the player was a free agent <fill in the VERY long list here> or one of our own <Revis, Martin, Wilketson, etc.).   If the press liked the player and if the player was skilled at negotiating in the media AND if our GM was a weak one then.... we paid.

No more.

Fast forward to now.

It simply does not make any sense whatsoever to pay super premium prices at the safety position when we are loaded at that position.  Let someone else take on the huge contract and let us get some other assets in return.  Even more importantly allocate those cap dollars not spent overpaying Adams to fill much bigger holes elsewhere on the roster.

That is EVEN IF you think that Adams plays at the same level as an Ed Reed which I most certainly do not.

Drafting Ashtyn Davis put a very real cap limit on what we are willing to pay for Adams and that is as it should be.

Let him whine in the media all he wants.  That is his perogative.  Let the Adams fanbois on here whine all they want.  That is THEIR perogative.

We have a new GM and he is not weak.

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19 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Okay, aside from Jamal, are you saying that you shouldn't draft good players because they'll all be asking for new contracts after three seasons? Because that is some monumental drafting you'll have to be constantly producing.

I just think some people fetishize draft picks.

I'm saying you need to draft impactful players.  When the Jets draft those, I want to pay them.  I wanted to pay Revis the first time around.

They just didn't draft them under Macc.  Or Idzik.  Or Tannenbaum from 2008-2012.  

Jets fans UNDERRATE draft picks because of the poor drafting here from 2008-2019.  You would not be saying these things if you were a Ravens fan.  

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