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4th & 15 Replacing Onside Kicks???

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3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You don't get to decide to keep the ball anymore than when you decide to keep the ball when you attempt an onside kick. 

It's just replacing the luck of a ball bouncing in the right direction with an offense vs defense talent based outcome..

And you make it seem as if making a4th and 15 is 50/50.

Not to mention the huge downside for that team if they don't make it. You are giving the ball to the other team in GREAT field position.


Yea the risk basically limits teams to using it in traditional onsides kick type scenarios at endgame. I'd be interested in what the league 4th & 15+ conversion rate is vs. the old expected onsides kick recovery rate. My gut tells me the conversion percentage is probably higher for 4th & 15+.

I think it would have to be an untimed down or teams could try it with seconds left at the end of the half to try and get back to back scores.

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I just read the text of the proposed rule and it says the game clock starts on the snap - so it's not an untimed down. This would result in teams using this rule attempting to score TD's if they score with less than 5 seconds left in the half.

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If they make this rule change, the Chiefs are going to put up 60 points a game.



Reid on onside alternative: Mahomes 'can do 4th-and-15s'


Adam Maya



The possibility of a fourth-and-15 play in lieu of an onside kick prompted Patrick Mahomes to tweet a smiling emoji with a bead of sweat. That proposal will be voted on by NFL owners next week. If it passes, Chiefs opponents might be sweating but not smiling.

"We've got a guy that can do 4th-and-15s," Kansas City coach Andy Reid said Friday. "He'd give us the opportunity to be able to do that."

Technically, Mahomes hasn't attempted such a play in his three-year career. But he thrived on third-and-15-plus situations last season, completing 12 of 16 passes for 255 yards and three touchdowns. That doesn't include his biggest conversion, a 44-yard completion to Tyreek Hill on third-and-15 in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl to ignite the Chiefs' rally against the 49ers.

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Friday the league amended the initial proposal, originally submitted by the Eagles, to no longer require teams to trail while attempting to retain possession. The rule change would grant teams the option of running one play from their own 25-yard line with 15 yards to gain rather than kicking off. There'd be a limit of two fourth-and-15 attempts per game, which opens the door for scoring up to three straight times without your opponent touching the ball.

Reid intimated he'd actually prefer the proposal to be denied.

"I've got kind of mixed thoughts on it," he said. "Being an old guy, I'd probably stick with the integrity of the game as it sits right now, but I can also see where the other part could be exciting too."

Especially, and ironically, for Chiefs fans.

The rule is only allowing 2 attempts per game. It's also risky if you don't convert

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