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Just now, bitonti said:

yes the Jets are always getting the better of teams like Baltimore in trade negotiations. It happens about as often as this team makes the playoffs. That is to say NEVER 

 

So if they don't trade for Adams, then they got the better of the Jets by not making a deal? 

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2 hours ago, ECURB said:

Him and Lamar were drafted the same year, same window of a rookie contract.

if the Ravens are smart to stack why aren’t the JETS? You have to build like your top QB will be good you can’t play scared

We just had to replace basically the entire Offensive Line and WR corps.  Spending like a cokehead wasn't an option for Douglas in Year 1.  Maybe by 2021 we'll be ready to do that.  And by then we already might have to pay Darnold anyways. 

These windows don't last long, and Macc ensured there wouldn't even BE a window with his awful drafting.

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4 minutes ago, choon328 said:

All of the leaks are from Adams agent, not the Jets. They're trying to force a trade so he can get paid.  He's in a rush to get the new contract bc contract $ will be down the next few years bc of the virus.  That's what this is all about. 

If they were trying to force a trade, why wouldnt they just demand the trade and threaten hold out?  Doesnt seem like that's what is happening.  Seems like they're reacting to reports.  The leaks are probably coming out because JD has been telling the fanbase that he wants Jamal here long term, but his actions say different.  

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1 minute ago, slats said:

So if they don't trade for Adams, then they got the better of the Jets by not making a deal? 

My mind can't take that many left turns. 

Maybe? 

Bottom line it is a catch-22 he is either an amazing player who will be valued by excellent teams in a trade or he's a bum who doesn't deserve an extension 

he can't really be both at the same time 

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5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yes the Jets are always getting the better of teams like Baltimore in trade negotiations. It happens about as often as this team makes the playoffs. That is to say NEVER 

 

I was actually just about to make this point.  The Ravens want Jamal and the Jets dont.  What does that tell you about the situation?

lmfao 

 

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So can someone save me the reading time and tell me if the report is just a blog resharing the Meyers stuff from last week or is there new info I should go back and read.

Yes I'm lazy, I know.

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2 hours ago, predator_05 said:

On second thought, i take back what i said.

This prick knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He's basically flirting with other teams, intimating contact in public view. Maybe he sees this as a way of 'getting back' at the team when they publicly announced that they're willing to 'listen to offers'.  If you look at it from his point of view, he has a good reason. But that doesn't excuse him - he's the team's best player, a leader. It's irresponsible, and it makes him look petty.

I wish all of this could happen behind closed doors, but the Jets aren't competent enough to keep all their dirty laundry indoors anyway

 

All of this is correct, except his rant last trade deadline wasn't about us taking calls.  If that were true he wouldn't have been telling Ryan Clark about how much he'd like to  a Cowboy.  He'd have been b*tching from the outset that he was on the block at all.  Only AFTER the deadline, when he wasn't traded to Dallas, did he throw his public temper tantrum.  

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

Totally different situations though, no?  Jamal is responding to a question.  He didnt bring it up and he didnt verify the truth or say that he what he wants.  He just said they've got a good coach and are all about D and that's rare.  He didnt say he'd be a great fit or help them win a SB or look great in purple again, etc.  It was actually a very PC response given the circumstances.  

In this situation its the Jets who look like hypocrites, IMO.  JD keeps talking about how he want Jamal for a long time but then all we are hearing is contract talks arent going well and they're looking to trade him.  That's hypocritical.  Looks like Jamal wants to stay a Jet and the Jets are the ones initiating trade talks.  If it were the other way around and Jamal was demanding trades or Jamal was holding out, etc. ok, I hear you but he's simply responding the Jets hypocritical behavior IMO and it was harmless.

 

Haven't you considered for a moment that those rumors are coming from Jamal's camp?

Your argument is setting this up where Jamal is never in the wrong.  And that just isn't the case.  

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

Meh, again, then JD shouldnt tell the fans he wants Jamal long term when all we do is keep hearing trade rumors.

Yes, smart GM's only tell the truth all the time.  That's a good way to get things done.  

Saying one thing and doing another is a tradition among successful franchises.

Jamal Adams says he wants to be in Dallas but b*tches when we pick up the phone to listen to trade offers.  That's the very definition of hypocritical.  What nonsense to suggest only one side is doing this while Jamal is behaving just fine.

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1 hour ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Jamal will get a fair deal overall, he'll be locked up for 4-5 more years, and this will all be done. 

For sure.  The guy who compared himself to Aaron Donald (salary:  $22.5M per year) and tweeted "you're getting warmer" when someone suggested $100M over 5 years and $65M guaranteed will gladly accept a "fair deal" for the privilege of continuing his career with the Jets.  

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Haven't you considered for a moment that those rumors are coming from Jamal's camp?

Your argument is setting this up where Jamal is never in the wrong.  And that just isn't the case.  

Sure, they may leak them but JD is the one making the calls.  lol

I mean, what are we talking about here?  You think Jamal's agent is shopping him?  That's not how it works. 

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes, smart GM's only tell the truth all the time.  That's a good way to get things done.  

Saying one thing and doing another is a tradition among successful franchises.

Jamal Adams says he wants to be in Dallas but b*tches when we pick up the phone to listen to trade offers.  That's the very definition of hypocritical.  What nonsense to suggest only one side is doing this while Jamal is behaving just fine.

When did Jamal say he wanted to be in Dallas?   Does such quote actually exist?  Because I've heard JD say he wants Jamal here long term probably about 40 times. 

Most great franchise dont pump fake resigning their best Football player but ok, you're right.  It's common practice for GM's to repeat things over and over again they do not mean. 

 

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1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

You also have to gauge a deal by who you're trading with. Even without Ozzie the Ravens are considered one of the smartest orgs. So if they're willing to give up good assets and pay the guy maybe he's not a player we should not pay and trade. 

He's a fit for the Ravens but not here.  It's really as simple as that.  

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1 hour ago, Drums said:

It is also weird how much we, as a fan base, hate our best players.

This is such a farce.  A complete myth perpetuated by @jgb (who may have been banned?  I dunno).  No one was upset when Revis signed his deal in 2010.  

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32 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jamal Adams is one of the only leaders on the entire roster. 

He doesn't want out he wants to be paid. 

 

Can't it be both?  And he's about as much of a "leader" as Revis was.  Leaders don't behave like petulant children all the time.

 

 
 
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ESPN’s Ryan Clark said Jets’ S Jamal Adams would like to go home to Texas and play for the Cowboys.
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2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Becton/Mims is still pretty frickin good 

Becton/Mims/Lamb would have be better.

Sam throwing to Perriman, Mims, Lamb and Crowder anyone?  

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32 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jamal Adams' could take a crap on his own brand from now until his retirement and still have a better brand than the New York Jets 

And?  The only way to dig your way out of that is making smart decisions.  That's exactly what Douglas has been doing.  He can't do anything about the awful ownership or the awful picks that were made before he got here.  

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27 minutes ago, bitonti said:

yes the Jets are always getting the better of teams like Baltimore in trade negotiations. It happens about as often as this team makes the playoffs. That is to say NEVER 

 

Douglas got the better end of the trade with the Giants at the deadline last year.  He also made very good trades during the draft.  It's not much but it's a start. 

Douglas seems to be pretty well-respected and connected in league circles.

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31 minutes ago, slats said:

I don't know if he's "getting back," at the Jets, but all of this Jamal Adams noise is 100% coming from his camp and not the Jets. 

 

The jets didn't have to publicly declare that they were 'listening to offers'. They could have had trade talks behind closed doors. All i'm saying is, it could have been more discrete.

Joe douglas could have simply said, 'Jamal adams is not available. He is one of our best players, and he'll be a Jet for life'. Case closed. But the organization chose to take the 'we'll see what happens' line, and this will obviously invite speculation.

This is what created the conditions for the crappy soap opera we're seeing today. Jamal is a disgruntled player, but he's finding sympathy in the current situation.

Now, i don't give a sh*t about Jamal adams either way. But my feeling is, Joe douglas doesn't really like him, nor does he see him as a fit for his long-term vision. Whether its character or salary-related, i don't know.

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He's a fit for the Ravens but not here.  It's really as simple as that.  

Jamal is one of the best at his position in the league - he is a fit almost anywhere. Given his attributes, I think he is worth most to:

A) A team that is on the verge of a title where he can fill a missing piece

b) A true rebuild team that desperately needs some 'i give a damn' on the field and in the locker room to help establish a culture. 

We drafted him to do B and I think he has filled that role well for us and on his rookie deal, at a fine a cost too. The question becomes whether on the margins a team like the Ravens in scenario A that is THAT close to the Superbowl but couldn't stop the run against the Titans in a key playoff game thinks having someone like Jamal is worth more to them then the value the Jets believe he is adding in B. That could be true and wouldn't mean that Jamal is necessarily a better fit for either or a worse player in either. 

Given how this offseason went, unless we land a lights out OLB or a pro bowl calibre line man in the deal, I wouldnt want to move him at this point....

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28 minutes ago, JiF said:

Disagree he talks more than he plays.  Disagree he's acted like a petulant child. 

Oh well then.  That changes everything I guess.  If you don't think he has acted poorly then I guess he hasn't.  

The funny part is JD hasn't responded to any of his histrionics, even when Jamal went behind his back to complain to ownership, yet you think HE'S the one in the wrong.  Can't make this stuff up.  

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26 minutes ago, JiF said:

If they were trying to force a trade, why wouldnt they just demand the trade and threaten hold out?  Doesnt seem like that's what is happening.  

Because under the CBA rules, he really CAN'T hold out.  He gains nothing by doing that.  

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17 minutes ago, JiF said:

Sure, they may leak them but JD is the one making the calls.  lol

I mean, what are we talking about here?  You think Jamal's agent is shopping him?  That's not how it works. 

JD is evidently TAKING calls, not MAKING them.  But you believe what you want, I guess. 

And I absolutely think Jamal's agent could be shopping him.  Because, again, he can't hold out, and evidently JD has no intention of paying him this offseason.  Which is of course the right move for the team.

Adams wants no part of playing this year on "only" $3.5M.  So if he has to shoot his way out of town he'll do exactly that.  

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15 minutes ago, JiF said:

When did Jamal say he wanted to be in Dallas?   Does such quote actually exist?  Because I've heard JD say he wants Jamal here long term probably about 40 times. 

 

 
 
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ESPN’s Ryan Clark said Jets’ S Jamal Adams would like to go home to Texas and play for the Cowboys.

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11 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

Judon is a pro-bowl pass rusher who had 9.5 sacks, 4 FF, 33 QB hits, and 14 TFL last year. 

 

Judon + a 2nd or 3rd might be a fair deal.  Although, I admittedly don't know enough about him other than to say he's a DE/OLB and that's a big need for the Jets.  He's also 28 so we need to take into account he probably has no more than 3 or 4 really good years left.

Would be very interested to see what Mosley thinks of him since they played together for several years.

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**** Judon.  I'm not taking on a guy we have to pay NOW for a guy that we don't have to pay for 2 years.  Judon and a first?  Maybe.  Judon and a 2nd or 3rd?  Well, I'm hanging up the phone.  Doubt that makes Jamal happy though.

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33 minutes ago, JiF said:

I was actually just about to make this point.  The Ravens want Jamal and the Jets dont.  What does that tell you about the situation?

lmfao 

 

Tells me nothing....

The Jets have openly stated they want Adams.  But there is always a limit in any relationship, business and personal, where you say enough is enough.

If Jamal Adams keeps whining about how he wants to be paid, even though he has two years left on his contract, he will be the reason he will be escorted out of time.

Sometimes, players are just not good fits for certain teams.  Kinda goes back on the GM who thought it would be a great idea to have a shiny hood ornament worth millions on a dented 1978 Ford Pinto. 

 

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Ya gotta give Joe Douglas credit for planting all these stories about teams wanting Jamal Adams to drive his price up.  I hear the Montreal Alouettes are next.

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1 hour ago, ECURB said:

Maybe in Madden but in real life WRs take 3 years to develop and IF they are good you would find out after Sams rookie deal.

Maybe 10 years ago. I guarantee that Lamb will not take 3 years to show he is capable of being a impactful WR. That is the dumbest sh*t I've read all day. The league changes, just last year Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, Darius Slayton.....just to name a few.

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Perhaps I'm missing it... Who are the teams lining up to give us two first round picks for Jamal Adams?

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44 minutes ago, JiF said:

If they were trying to force a trade, why wouldnt they just demand the trade and threaten hold out?  Doesnt seem like that's what is happening.  Seems like they're reacting to reports.  The leaks are probably coming out because JD has been telling the fanbase that he wants Jamal here long term, but his actions say different.  

Look at the Backlash he got from not going to voluntary virtual mini camp during this pandemic.  You think he's going to threaten to to holdout? They're pushing a narrative behind the scenes in order to protect his image. 

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54 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

1. They’re not trying to trade him.  Some fans are.

2. No, doesn’t weaken anything.  No one cares that he tweets.  He doesn’t knock his team, ownership etc.  His teammates look up to him, have no problem with him

3.  Back to the point, how can you even think you can fine Jamal for these tweets that mean nothing to anyone, cause no issues? 

If you want to think this was all a coincidence  and there was no motive to this, go ahead.  

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33 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

For sure.  The guy who compared himself to Aaron Donald (salary:  $22.5M per year) and tweeted "you're getting warmer" when someone suggested $100M over 5 years and $65M guaranteed will gladly accept a "fair deal" for the privilege of continuing his career with the Jets.  

Its posturing in my opinion.. No one, not one team, will offer him Aaron Donald money.  He will get a deal consummate with being a top player at his position (whether you agree he is or not is irrelevant to the fact of what he is looking for and will probably sign).  When talking about the frame work of a deal, many times this becomes about "optics", players want to be shown the love as Rod Tidwell would say.  

So what does that mean..  There are ways to structure deals (and we've seen this before) where each year of the deal isn't a cap killer for the team, but the total value of the extension makes them the highest paid player at their position.  So perhaps its a combination of guaranteed money, signing bonus whatever.... there are people here smarter than I with cap terminology and figures that can better explain how that would be structured but we've seen this type of deal before where the gross sum of the contract is top at the position, but the per year average is not. 

Thats what I mean by fair, I do not mean a middle of the road deal that makes him the 9th highest paid safety or something of that nature.  There will be a middle ground struck where he gets what he's looking for but the jets are insulated by the per year average or another factor.  

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