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Can the steal of the draft catch for 1,000 yards his rookie year, and consistently there after?

Can the steal of the draft help Sam Darnold, the best QB to come out the past three years I hear, throw for over 4,000 yards?

If so, that would be awesome.

I'd like to see these platitudes turn out true on the field for a change.  Maybe Mims is the guy to do it.

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4 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hill couldn’t catch.  Mims can

 

Take a break from obsessing over route tree and look at Mims’ tape from college catching balls thrown behind him while being covered well

 

So why do you think he fell so hard in the draft, with so many WR's taken before him?

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3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Most likely it was a loaded WR draft and a lot of teams drafted WR early on

 

Every year really good WRs fall to round 2

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

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5 minutes ago, slats said:

It's a good question. Best I've seen is that there's a Big 12 bias, and a Baylor bias specifically. I don't know. Six WRs went before Mims in the second round, and the only one of those I expected to go before Mims was Higgins who went #33 overall. Joe Douglas was obviously happy to not take him at #48, but then happy to take him at #59. 

Dude has size, tests really well, was the star of the Senior Bowl, and produced in college. It was strange watching him drop, but I'm glad he's a Jet. Hope I still am this time next year. 

Agreed all round.  And I don't know (nor do I even have a theory, based on what little I know) either.

But it concerns me.  Players who drop like stones and have materially weaker prospects picked before them can mean anything.....but I worry it means something bad the league saw, and Douglas either didn't see, or saw and choose to overlook given the possible value-for-draftslot at the time we picked him.  

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10 minutes ago, slats said:

.....I'm still honeymooning with JD and thinking that maybe the Jets got lucky here. 

I am as well.

I've said it a number of times (but I choose to repeat it, given the slanted view that I hate everything the Jets do always, lol), but I believe that given how the draft fell, J.D. had about as good a draft in 2019 as could have been hoped for, and while I (like many) was disappointed we couldn't get two high-end WR prospects, I generally support J.D.'s "fill all the holes with something potential" draft plan this year. 

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35 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

This time last year some guys thought Polite could be a steal and we see how that turned out.

Well, exactly.

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But we have a new GM that so far seems competent.

I'm happy enough, although his Free Agent moves before and during last season were a bit "meh".  I liked the draft, generally.

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Some days its so negative here that it feels like there are some guys that just come here to say”I told you he d suck. ”

Hmmmm, not really.  We might say that, to remind the 100 posters who blasted us when we said it while they were declaring Polite the next big thing of pass rushers (to continue an example). 

So-called "haters" have to remind so-called "homers" about who is usually right.  But at their core, every so-called hater WANTS to be proven wrong.  We're desperate for it.

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What are they going to do if Douglas actually knows what he is doing and starts upgrading the talent with a bunch of savvy picks?

If we win......celebrate man, celebrate!

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If I felt things were that hopeless that I couldn’t be optimistic about a draft class from a new GM, or even my young QB, I think I’d find something else that made me happier to while away the hours.

Clearly, it must not make us miserable then.  Opinions =/= mood. 

Darnold hasn't been good enough yet (opinion).  Saying so doesn't make me miserable (mood), it makes me factual, lol.

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   Life is too short to be miserable.

It's also too short to be a pollyanna, and to have to suffer the massive ups and downs such people must experience when they fall from "Geno Smith is the next All-Pro QB!" to reality.  Of course, those folks just usually glom on to the next guy and just forget all the pap they spouted about the now gone guy, I guess thats why the consistent errors in evaluation never seem to bother them.  There is always a "next guy" to hype. 

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2 hours ago, GaryM said:

Well instead of asking everyone else to answer your questions, why don't you do some research? We all get your negative undertones. I understand that if people give a draft pick some credit on here, you just have to tear it down, but do your own work, preferably before posting negativity, have something to back your innuendos.

There is no innuendo.  He fell, it's a documented fact.  I'm simply curious why people think he fell, and we have alot of folks here who follow college ball far more than I do who might have some thoughts.

There is nothing to "research" here, there is no news on him to warrant such a fall, hence it's an opinion question.  But of course you knew that before your little rant.

As to the rest, I'm not terribly interested in your opinions about my supposed "negativity".  :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

There are half full and half empty guys.

Absolutely, and I've never tried to hide that I'm a half empty guy when it comes to most things.  Life proves that view out most of the time.

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I dont think im a pollyanna, but Im going to be optimistic until that optimism is proven wrong.

I don't think I'm a hater, but I'm going to be fact based, and cynical, till my faith is earned.

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When Polite sucked , it only confirmed that firing Mac was the right thing to do.

Agreed.  It also proved the fans who got VERY angry at those who disagreed with that pick were wrong.  Completely wrong.

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But until they prove they cant be everything the NY Jets hoped for when they called their name, Im going to be positive and hope they drafted an entire load of All Pros.

That's fine, but some people have a pretty good idea a move is a bad move without needing to wait.  And even then, guys like me will always caveat with "but let's see, you never know".  

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Taking the opposite approach likely decreases disappointment,  but is so much less fun.

I can tell you personally, nope, it doesn't do either.  The disappointment is still strong, as is the fun, especially when they exceed expectations. 

Can't speak for anyone but myself tho.

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  Its like going out to a bar wanting to hook up, but expecting youll be home in 3 hrs watching porn and spanking it!   Why bother??

Because like my Nats last year, the journey is fun, and there is always a chance.  And one day the three going on four decades I've religiously followed this franchise WILL be rewarded. :)

I've said it many times, but it seems many simply have trouble with a Fan who isn't a Fanatic.  Who roots like hell on Sunday, and engages in rational, analytical, even cynical review of the team Monday thu Saturday.  These folks can't understand how one can be both objective and a Fan.  Clearly I can't explain it to them because here we are, decades later, I've been right in the facts in the vast majority for years, and folks still only want to whine about my "negativity", while conveniently ignoring every positive thing I post.  Some things never change.  /shrug.  

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28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

Lol if he catches 80 balls for 900 yards nobody will care

Indeed, it's pure offseason talk this.

28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

....but if I had to guess I'd put .y money not on a skill issue but more of an attitude. He wasn't even happy when JD called. Its one thing to have a chip on your shoulder about falling in the draft, it's another to be ungrateful.

Indeed.  That bad attitude when he was picked struck me as odd as well.  But young kid, in the moment, dropped like a stone, I get being mad.

28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

And this is coming from someone who did and still does LOVE this pick. Mims was my favorite wr in the draft and I still think he handled that call poorly.... in public. Who knows what he has said on calls privately.

Sent from the Suicide Watch desk.
 

Slats loved the pick, so I'm willing to give the kid a shot. 

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8 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

This, from a guy who doesn't care about other people's opinions. LOL

To be fair, we have a number of posters who post more about ME and what they think of my feelings than they do the Jets, or so it seems some days.  Quite a few are just folks from the old JI days who can't let it go....

Hint to one and all:  Talk less about me, talk more about the Jets.  Seems like a no-brainer.

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7 hours ago, GreenFish said:

There are really 3 WR positions that require different skill sets. If you look at the guys drafted ahead of him, most of those guys are slot guys. Maybe those teams needed help in the slot as opposed to a guy who’s more of an x or z WR. The Jets were in need of a WR but if a slot WR “fell” to us, he’d likely keep falling passed us because we were in need of a z or x WR. Crowder is a very good slot WR.

Aside from the 4 main guys in the first, the only comparable guys taking ahead of Mims are Higgins and Pittman. Higgins was projected to be picked around where he got picked. Really the only surprise was Pittman. Just one guy. And Pittman was projected in the mid to late 2nd. Just doesn’t seem like something that we should be worried about. Pittman is a very good prospect as well.

Now that is an interesting theory.  +Rep, good read.

To be clear, as I said to stats on draft day after reading his take on Mims, I have no complaint about the pick. 

We desperately needed #1 WR help, we got #1 WR help.  Not the WR I wanted (I wanted Jeudy at #11, Pittman Jr. in the 2nd, and O-line the rest of the way, and J.D. the way the draft fell lol'd at me hard, especially over Pittman!).  But a solid prospect.

I'm just interested in ideas as to why a prospect some think was the best WR (and maybe THAT is overstated by those folks) went in the late 2nd and was so clearly mad when picked that he was picked so low.  Attitude or personality issues have ruined many a prospect who had all the skills, so yeah, I'm interested if that will be a concern with him.

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44 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

I think there is a qualitative difference between disagreeing with other posters and trying to shut down opinions because they are, well, opinions. I think the objection to a good number of your posts is due to your position that because something hasn't happened yet or hasn't been "proven" it's pointless to discuss it. Most, I believe, would disagree with that premise. Hopes and dreams are the stuff of fan boards.

I'll repeat, I find very little of interest in having my writing style psychoanalyzed by a dude named Leprechaun on a football forum.

Agree with me, object, ignore, debate, it's all good.  Don't like what I think, that's fine too.   Just keep it on football.   

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30 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Says a guy whose name is Warfish. You can't make this stuff up. 

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Sorry you couldn't get it.  Problem solved on my end for a while.  Enjoy your summer.

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25 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

That is the most important aspect of drafting Mims.  Sam desperately needed someone who even if covered in a one-on-one situation, he could throw it up to and have a reasonable chance of a completion.   He also needed someone to play the back shoulder game with, there was nobody on this roster for the last 2 years that had that skill set.   With defenders having to respect Mims speed that should open up some back shoulder opportunities, and given Mims physicality and ability to win contested catches, should make Sam a happy dude.    

I'm a little confused, wasn't that one of the biggest criticisms of Fitz when he was here, that he just "threw it up" to Marshall, who saved Fitz by going up and getting it in coverage, leading to much criticsm that Fitz sucked and Marshall was good?

Are we now saying that Darnold is Fitz-like, and needs his WR's to save him, that he can't put the ball where it needs to be himself?

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51 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Huh?   You do sound confused.   Every QB needs a safety valve they can go to even if he’s covered.   Not sure what the Fitz comparison has to do with anything.  

Well, the Fitz thing is because that specific criticism was levied ALOT at the time and since. 

It was commonly said at that time that a good QB doesn't need his WR to save him by "just throwing it up there", that good QB's throw their WR's open.

Ok, no worries.

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33 minutes ago, Lizard King said:

Well, you basically swapped out Rbby Anderson for a guy who is just as fast, that runs a similarly narrow route tree, but who is taller and more physically developed to play the position. 

Robby and Sam hooked up for 900 I believe?

So take from that what you want. 

i didn't like Robby as a #1 WR, so I'm very happy we're trying to go a different, potentially better, route.

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24 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

I get the concern. We don’t want a situation like Jochai Polite. I just don’t think we have a Polite situation on our hands.

Naaa, I don't really see that either.  His reaction to us selecting him where we did was (IMO) quite off-putting, but again, got to be some allowance for disappointment and emotion.  As long as he leaves all that behind when he reports, I'm sure he'll be fine.

24 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Noise of Polite’s laziness started coming out after the draft. We really haven’t heard why Mims fell. We can all just speculate and come up with theories.

The "teams only needed dedicated slot WR's" is an interesting theory.  

24 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

The being upset on the call is a normal reaction for some. Douglas seemed to welcome that emotion.

It's the old Laverneus Coles Chip-on-Shoulder concept.

24 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Time will tell. I like his fit with Darnold. Mims needs a guy who will throw the ball up to him and not be scared. That’s Darnold. Darnold is not the most accurate down field thrower. So he needs a guy who will adjust, go up and catch the ball. That’s Mims.

Remember that week 1 throw to Robby in the end zone? Not a perfect throw, but Mims goes up and catches that ball 9x out of 10. At least that’s my belief.

Sounds good.

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21 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

What QB doesn’t need their receiver to save them from time to time?   

Like I said, it was a common criticism back in the day.  You'd have to ask the folks that made it why they made it.  Never made much sense to me either tbqh.

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14 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Well in Mims' case he won't be going up against too many rookie corners.  He'll likely be matched up with quite a few veteran CB1's or CB2's, like these:

  • Bills:  Tre'Davious White/Josh Norman (2x)
  • Patriots:  Stephon Gilmore/Jason McCourty (2x)
  • Dolphins:  Byron Jones/Xavien Howard (2x)
  • 49ers:  Richard Sherman/Ahkello Witherspoon
  • Colts:  Xavier Rhodes/TJ Carrie
  • Broncos:  AJ Bouye/Bryce Callahan
  • Cardinals:  Patrick Peterson/Byron Murphy
  • Chargers:  Chris Harris/Casey Hayward
  • Chiefs:  Charvarius Ward/Rashad Fenton/Tyrann Mathieu
  • Raiders:  Prince Amukamara/Trayvon Mullen/Isaiah Johnson
  • Seahawks:  Tre Flowers/Shaq Griffen/Quinton Dunbar
  • Rams:  Jalen Ramsey/Troy Hill/Darious Williams
  • Browns:  Denzel Ward/Greedy Williams

So if he gets 400 yards and 2 TD's, we'll all declare him a legit #1 and future All-Pro while also using him to excuse why Darnold just couldn't crack 3,500 yards passing.

Business as usual.

So 80, what is a reasonable expectation for our rookie WR vs. all those awesome DB's for his rookie year?  Now that JN has declared that expecting Darnold to hit 4,000 or Mims to 1,000 are both asking too much....

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