Mims why he was the Steal of the Draft!!

[Jet Nut]

30 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

and will you ******s stfu about ALL THE NEGATIVITY...

wtf is this place, a cheerleading school? 

Always thinking we draft a passel of all pros is about as willfully naive as it is embarassing....

the death of critical thinking, ffs...

I've said it a thousand times...  use the ignore feature

Yeah, you've accurately described fandom.  

You know, instead of cursing out people who are optimistic about our picks, we should all just whine about them.  

Or better yet, be wishy/washy and say they could be good or then again they might not.  Better yet, how about just waiting until picks prove out or fail.  Hold off until the verdicts are in.  Why go on a limb.  And of course criticize those that get excited by new players, you know act like fans. ?

[David Harris]

3 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

He's got the tools but he's still got to develop.  My biggest concern is that he rarely gets wide-open.  He's generally fighting for contested balls--and that will be tougher in the NFL unless he learns to be more sudden in his breaks and more polished in his routes.

Yeah he plays plays fast but doesn’t seem to play at his timed 4.38 speed but from what I’ve watched he’ll have a step at times but almost slows up until the ball is in the air so he can control the trailing DB to push off at just the right time. Its a very natural thing to do for him, it works a lot but also sometimes you just want him to blow by these guys and also not risk the flag

[#27TheDominator]

Wait.  The choices are hater or Pollyanna?  Which one is 80?  

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, GaryM said:

Well instead of asking everyone else to answer your questions, why don't you do some research? We all get your negative undertones. I understand that if people give a draft pick some credit on here, you just have to tear it down, but do your own work, preferably before posting negativity, have something to back your innuendos.

There is no innuendo.  He fell, it's a documented fact.  I'm simply curious why people think he fell, and we have alot of folks here who follow college ball far more than I do who might have some thoughts.

There is nothing to "research" here, there is no news on him to warrant such a fall, hence it's an opinion question.  But of course you knew that before your little rant.

As to the rest, I'm not terribly interested in your opinions about my supposed "negativity".  

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

There are half full and half empty guys.

Absolutely, and I've never tried to hide that I'm a half empty guy when it comes to most things.  Life proves that view out most of the time.

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I dont think im a pollyanna, but Im going to be optimistic until that optimism is proven wrong.

I don't think I'm a hater, but I'm going to be fact based, and cynical, till my faith is earned.

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When Polite sucked , it only confirmed that firing Mac was the right thing to do.

Agreed.  It also proved the fans who got VERY angry at those who disagreed with that pick were wrong.  Completely wrong.

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But until they prove they cant be everything the NY Jets hoped for when they called their name, Im going to be positive and hope they drafted an entire load of All Pros.

That's fine, but some people have a pretty good idea a move is a bad move without needing to wait.  And even then, guys like me will always caveat with "but let's see, you never know".  

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Taking the opposite approach likely decreases disappointment,  but is so much less fun.

I can tell you personally, nope, it doesn't do either.  The disappointment is still strong, as is the fun, especially when they exceed expectations. 

Can't speak for anyone but myself tho.

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  Its like going out to a bar wanting to hook up, but expecting youll be home in 3 hrs watching porn and spanking it!   Why bother??

Because like my Nats last year, the journey is fun, and there is always a chance.  And one day the three going on four decades I've religiously followed this franchise WILL be rewarded.

I've said it many times, but it seems many simply have trouble with a Fan who isn't a Fanatic.  Who roots like hell on Sunday, and engages in rational, analytical, even cynical review of the team Monday thu Saturday.  These folks can't understand how one can be both objective and a Fan.  Clearly I can't explain it to them because here we are, decades later, I've been right in the facts in the vast majority for years, and folks still only want to whine about my "negativity", while conveniently ignoring every positive thing I post.  Some things never change.  /shrug.  

[jetspenguin]

i'm from missouri, show me.  yes mims has the size speed and pass catching ability but we've seen this movie before with stephen hill, devon smith et al.  let's see how he performs on game day against nfl competition.

Neither Smith or Hill had Mims skill set or stats. They were not nearly as productive as he was in college.

The kid will shine, stay tuned.

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[jetspenguin]

Yes, but why would Mims specifically fall?  Why did a number of GM's think more of lesser prospects?

WR loaded draft is true, but why were many WR's considered lesser than Mims taken ahead of Mims?  I think we might want to know that, doncha think?

 

Lol if he catches 80 balls for 900 yards nobody will care but if I had to guess I'd put my money not on a skill issue but more of an attitude. He wasn't even happy when JD called. Its one thing to have a chip on your shoulder about falling in the draft, it's another to be ungrateful.

 

And this is coming from someone who did and still does LOVE this pick. Mims was my favorite wr in the draft and I still think he handled that call poorly.... in public. Who knows what he has said on calls privately.

 

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[jetspenguin]

I cant see anything on the highlight reel that would explain why he fell.  He is going to have to learn to deal with contact at the line, but that can be coached.  Past that, he looks like a top WR prospect in every other respect.  I'm taking a wild guess here in thinking that his interpersonal skills may not be the best.  Not saying he is a bad person in any way, but he may have the type of personality that underwhelms people or perhaps he is very direct or is not engaging.   He may just be "all go" and "no show".  You never know, sometimes.  That is my best guess.  He's not a good self promoter.  
Hines Ward can teach Mimms all about contact and Jamal Adams can teach him all abut self promotion.  Problems solve.  Both actual and supposed  

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[Bowles Movement]

2 hours ago, Losmeister said:

and will you ******s stfu about ALL THE NEGATIVITY...

wtf is this place, a cheerleading school? 

Always thinking we draft a passel of all pros is about as willfully naive as it is embarassing....

the death of critical thinking, ffs...

I've said it a thousand times...  use the ignore feature

Carlos

1 its a fan forum  

2 Critical thinking doesnt mean being critical of everything

3 Im pretty sure the ignore feature works both ways, ffs

[Warfish]

28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

Lol if he catches 80 balls for 900 yards nobody will care

Indeed, it's pure offseason talk this.

28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

....but if I had to guess I'd put .y money not on a skill issue but more of an attitude. He wasn't even happy when JD called. Its one thing to have a chip on your shoulder about falling in the draft, it's another to be ungrateful.

Indeed.  That bad attitude when he was picked struck me as odd as well.  But young kid, in the moment, dropped like a stone, I get being mad.

28 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

And this is coming from someone who did and still does LOVE this pick. Mims was my favorite wr in the draft and I still think he handled that call poorly.... in public. Who knows what he has said on calls privately.

Sent from the Suicide Watch desk.
 

Slats loved the pick, so I'm willing to give the kid a shot. 

[Losmeister]

1 hour ago, Bowles Movement said:

Carlos

1 its a fan forum  

2 Critical thinking doesnt mean being critical of everything

3 Im pretty sure the ignore feature works both ways, ffs

i'd bet mine is larger than yours,,,   ooops... that came out entitrely wrong!!!

 

[Larz]

So the rookie is not yet a polished pro?

noted

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

There is no innuendo.  He fell, it's a documented fact.  I'm simply curious why people think he fell, and we have alot of folks here who follow college ball far more than I do who might have some thoughts.

There is nothing to "research" here, there is no news on him to warrant such a fall, hence it's an opinion question.  But of course you knew that before your little rant.

As to the rest, I'm not terribly interested in your opinions about my supposed "negativity".  

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[GaryM]

I just find all the same pessimistic posters, here who cannot justify their opinions and then guys like you who feel you have to back them.  We draft a WR in the 2nd round, who was cited as  1st round pick, and hasn't played a down in the NFL, but guys like you just want to put it down, without any justification. So Why Don't You STFU until you have any intelligent to say! And if you don't like my opinion, feel free to use YOUR ignore feature.

[Losmeister]

i dont have a problem w/ this pick...     and only a very slight one w. Becton...   both have huge upside...

i'da preferred a WR rnd 1, but so be it...    the 2 i liked in rnd 2 were Mims and the guy from Clemson..

am not upset or angry,.,..   just waitin n seein...

 

[Losmeister]

40 minutes ago, GaryM said:

Why Don't You STFU until you have any intelligent t

andc what? ur the vanguard? go change ur green n white panties... and stfu

[Vader]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

Absolutely, and I've never tried to hide that I'm a half empty guy when it comes to most things.  Life proves that view out most of the time.

I don't think I'm a hater, but I'm going to be fact based, and cynical, till my faith is earned.

Agreed.  It also proved the fans who got VERY angry at those who disagreed with that pick were wrong.  Completely wrong.

That's fine, but some people have a pretty good idea a move is a bad move without needing to wait.  And even then, guys like me will always caveat with "but let's see, you never know".  

I can tell you personally, nope, it doesn't do either.  The disappointment is still strong, as is the fun, especially when they exceed expectations. 

Can't speak for anyone but myself tho.

Because like my Nats last year, the journey is fun, and there is always a chance.  And one day the three going on four decades I've religiously followed this franchise WILL be rewarded.

I've said it many times, but it seems many simply have trouble with a Fan who isn't a Fanatic.  Who roots like hell on Sunday, and engages in rational, analytical, even cynical review of the team Monday thu Saturday.  These folks can't understand how one can be both objective and a Fan.  Clearly I can't explain it to them because here we are, decades later, I've been right in the facts in the vast majority for years, and folks still only want to whine about my "negativity", while conveniently ignoring every positive thing I post.  Some things never change.  /shrug.  

You are a Jets realist. Since back in the JI days. Proven actually the right perspective over the same course of time.

[GreenFish]

5 hours ago, Warfish said:

There is no innuendo.  He fell, it's a documented fact.  I'm simply curious why people think he fell, and we have alot of folks here who follow college ball far more than I do who might have some thoughts.

There is nothing to "research" here, there is no news on him to warrant such a fall, hence it's an opinion question.  But of course you knew that before your little rant.

As to the rest, I'm not terribly interested in your opinions about my supposed "negativity".  

He was drafted in the 2nd round. It’s not like it was a huge drop.

There are really 3 WR positions that require different skill sets. If you look at the guys drafted ahead of him, most of those guys are slot guys. Maybe those teams needed help in the slot as opposed to a guy who’s more of an x or z WR. The Jets were in need of a WR but if a slot WR “fell” to us, he’d likely keep falling passed us because we were in need of a z or x WR. Crowder is a very good slot WR.

Aside from the 4 main guys in the first, the only comparable guys taking ahead of Mims are Higgins and Pittman. Higgins was projected to be picked around where he got picked. Really the only surprise was Pittman. Just one guy. And Pittman was projected in the mid to late 2nd. Just doesn’t seem like something that we should be worried about. Pittman is a very good prospect as well.

[win4ever]

21 hours ago, David Harris said:

Good stuff

ill try to follow the kid more, I appreciate the effort he puts in and thought he gave good analysis plus he somehow is connected enough to have an ex nfl guy like Marcus Coleman talk to him for hours on YouTube- pretty cool

It's a good site, and there is definitely some effort into it,  I rather watch those videos than 10 min snippets vocalizing what you read in the newspapers anyway.  

[Long Island Leprechaun]

12 hours ago, Warfish said:

Absolutely, and I've never tried to hide that I'm a half empty guy when it comes to most things.  Life proves that view out most of the time.

I don't think I'm a hater, but I'm going to be fact based, and cynical, till my faith is earned.

Agreed.  It also proved the fans who got VERY angry at those who disagreed with that pick were wrong.  Completely wrong.

That's fine, but some people have a pretty good idea a move is a bad move without needing to wait.  And even then, guys like me will always caveat with "but let's see, you never know".  

I can tell you personally, nope, it doesn't do either.  The disappointment is still strong, as is the fun, especially when they exceed expectations. 

Can't speak for anyone but myself tho.

Because like my Nats last year, the journey is fun, and there is always a chance.  And one day the three going on four decades I've religiously followed this franchise WILL be rewarded.

I've said it many times, but it seems many simply have trouble with a Fan who isn't a Fanatic.  Who roots like hell on Sunday, and engages in rational, analytical, even cynical review of the team Monday thu Saturday.  These folks can't understand how one can be both objective and a Fan.  Clearly I can't explain it to them because here we are, decades later, I've been right in the facts in the vast majority for years, and folks still only want to whine about my "negativity", while conveniently ignoring every positive thing I post.  Some things never change.  /shrug.  

This, from a guy who doesn't care about other people's opinions. LOL

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

This, from a guy who doesn't care about other people's opinions. LOL

To be fair, we have a number of posters who post more about ME and what they think of my feelings than they do the Jets, or so it seems some days.  Quite a few are just folks from the old JI days who can't let it go....

Hint to one and all:  Talk less about me, talk more about the Jets.  Seems like a no-brainer.

[Warfish]

7 hours ago, GreenFish said:

There are really 3 WR positions that require different skill sets. If you look at the guys drafted ahead of him, most of those guys are slot guys. Maybe those teams needed help in the slot as opposed to a guy who’s more of an x or z WR. The Jets were in need of a WR but if a slot WR “fell” to us, he’d likely keep falling passed us because we were in need of a z or x WR. Crowder is a very good slot WR.

Aside from the 4 main guys in the first, the only comparable guys taking ahead of Mims are Higgins and Pittman. Higgins was projected to be picked around where he got picked. Really the only surprise was Pittman. Just one guy. And Pittman was projected in the mid to late 2nd. Just doesn’t seem like something that we should be worried about. Pittman is a very good prospect as well.

Now that is an interesting theory.  +Rep, good read.

To be clear, as I said to stats on draft day after reading his take on Mims, I have no complaint about the pick. 

We desperately needed #1 WR help, we got #1 WR help.  Not the WR I wanted (I wanted Jeudy at #11, Pittman Jr. in the 2nd, and O-line the rest of the way, and J.D. the way the draft fell lol'd at me hard, especially over Pittman!).  But a solid prospect.

I'm just interested in ideas as to why a prospect some think was the best WR (and maybe THAT is overstated by those folks) went in the late 2nd and was so clearly mad when picked that he was picked so low.  Attitude or personality issues have ruined many a prospect who had all the skills, so yeah, I'm interested if that will be a concern with him.

[Sonny Werblin]

Mims, like just about every college WR, has stuff to work on. The "route" issue worries me less than the question of hand fighting to get off the LOS and getting re-routed by DBs. I didn't watch the videos but I'm curious as to what Mims is like when a play breaks down. Sam extends lots of plays and the WR who becomes his goto guy when a play breaks down, will benefit greatly. Antonio Brown was a great WR in Pitt, but he was even better at making himself available to Ben after a play was extended by Ben. I think it is great that we have Heinz Ward as a WR coach because I think Sam and Ben have a lot of similarities in their "style" of play.

Also, doesn't Gase have some connection to Mike Martz, who ran an offense the simply LOVED long crossing patterns. I would think that Mims running sideline to sideline would be virtually uncoverable in any man D. And seriously, it has struck me that the Jets have accumulated, by accident or not, the "type" of players that excelled in Martz's system. Bell has all of the attributes of Marshall Faulk, even down to being a great pass blocker and a student of the game. And if you are a WR, the Jets seem to have no interest in you unless you have top end speed. Then you throw in a deadly accurate QB, and the only thing the Jets are missing is a premier O line. The only other difference is the Jets have better receiving TEs than the Rams had. 

[#27TheDominator]

"... the old JI days."  LOL  

[Long Island Leprechaun]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

To be fair, we have a number of posters who post more about ME and what they think of my feelings than they do the Jets, or so it seems some days.  Quite a few are just folks from the old JI days who can't let it go....

Hint to one and all:  Talk less about me, talk more about the Jets.  Seems like a no-brainer.

I think there is a qualitative difference between disagreeing with other posters and trying to shut down opinions because they are, well, opinions. I think the objection to a good number of your posts is due to your position that because something hasn't happened yet or hasn't been "proven" it's pointless to discuss it. Most, I believe, would disagree with that premise. Hopes and dreams are the stuff of fan boards.

[Warfish]

44 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

I think there is a qualitative difference between disagreeing with other posters and trying to shut down opinions because they are, well, opinions. I think the objection to a good number of your posts is due to your position that because something hasn't happened yet or hasn't been "proven" it's pointless to discuss it. Most, I believe, would disagree with that premise. Hopes and dreams are the stuff of fan boards.

I'll repeat, I find very little of interest in having my writing style psychoanalyzed by a dude named Leprechaun on a football forum.

Agree with me, object, ignore, debate, it's all good.  Don't like what I think, that's fine too.   Just keep it on football.   

[Long Island Leprechaun]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'll repeat, I find very little of interest in having my writing style psychoanalyzed by a dude named Leprechaun on a football forum.

Agree with me, object, ignore, debate, it's all good.  Don't like what I think, that's fine too.   Just keep it on football.   

Says a guy whose name is Warfish. You can't make this stuff up. 

[Warfish]

30 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Says a guy whose name is Warfish. You can't make this stuff up. 

Sorry you couldn't get it.  Problem solved on my end for a while.  Enjoy your summer.

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[JetBlue]

19 hours ago, rangerous said:

vyncint smith is 6-3 and thomas was as well.   perriman is 6-2 so it looks like the jets have some fairly tall and fast wr's.

I don't know if he will make the team but UDFA George Campell is also 6'3 and ran a sub 4.40 forty

[JetBlue]

19 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I imagine that will be proven correct.  Anderson was a WR2.  Mims has the profile of a bonafide WR1.

I was just referring to the fact he said the Jets didn't have a tall receiver who could take the top off the defense in years and that described Anderson to a T.  I know Mims projects to a number 1.    His other point was more valid when he stated someone who Sam could just throw the ball in his vicinity and could come down with the ball.  Now THAT is something we haven't had since Brandon Marshall. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, JetBlue said:

I was just referring to the fact he said the Jets didn't have a tall receiver who could take the top off the defense in years and that described Anderson to a T.  I know Mims projects to a number 1.    His other point was more valid when he stated someone who Sam could just throw the ball in his vicinity and could come down with the ball.  Now THAT is something we haven't had since Brandon Marshall. 

Ah, I didn't realize he'd said "in years".  Yep, clearly inaccurate.

[JetBlue]

The only thing I see slowing Mims down is injury, God forbid.  He just has that can't miss look to me.  That doesn't mean he won't make mistakes or have growing pains but his talent is just good.  I think some teams may have over "thunk" it when it came to Mims.   I will not be the least surprised if he turns out to be better than Higgins, Claypool or Pittman Jr.  in a few seasons. I think his ceiling is certainly higher than theirs. 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, JetBlue said:

I don't know if he will make the team but UDFA George Campell is also 6'3 and ran a sub 4.40 forty

yep.  it certainly looks like the jets are looking for tall fast guys for their receivers.

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, JetBlue said:

I was just referring to the fact he said the Jets didn't have a tall receiver who could take the top off the defense in years and that described Anderson to a T.  I know Mims projects to a number 1.    His other point was more valid when he stated someone who Sam could just throw the ball in his vicinity and could come down with the ball.  Now THAT is something we haven't had since Brandon Marshall. 

That is the most important aspect of drafting Mims.  Sam desperately needed someone who even if covered in a one-on-one situation, he could throw it up to and have a reasonable chance of a completion.   He also needed someone to play the back shoulder game with, there was nobody on this roster for the last 2 years that had that skill set.   With defenders having to respect Mims speed that should open up some back shoulder opportunities, and given Mims physicality and ability to win contested catches, should make Sam a happy dude.    

[Warfish]

25 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

That is the most important aspect of drafting Mims.  Sam desperately needed someone who even if covered in a one-on-one situation, he could throw it up to and have a reasonable chance of a completion.   He also needed someone to play the back shoulder game with, there was nobody on this roster for the last 2 years that had that skill set.   With defenders having to respect Mims speed that should open up some back shoulder opportunities, and given Mims physicality and ability to win contested catches, should make Sam a happy dude.    

I'm a little confused, wasn't that one of the biggest criticisms of Fitz when he was here, that he just "threw it up" to Marshall, who saved Fitz by going up and getting it in coverage, leading to much criticsm that Fitz sucked and Marshall was good?

Are we now saying that Darnold is Fitz-like, and needs his WR's to save him, that he can't put the ball where it needs to be himself?