AFJF Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Looking back at Jets draft going all the way back to 1993 for an article and one stretch jumped out at me in a way that can only make you laugh so you don't cry. From 1995-1999, the Jets drafted 45 players. Of those 45 players, only four earned a second contract with the team (Jason Fabini, Jason Ferguson, Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman) There were some good players taken who were traded (Keyshawn) or walkd in FA (Randy Thomas), but even if they stick around, that's 6-for-45. 4-for-45...Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Those days are over, fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 and those were the players that nearly took the team to the superbowl under parcells. to paraphrase a famous flier, it's not the crate it's the person flying the crate. under good leadership and coaching the players will perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 From 2013-2016 (first two years of Maccagnan which are the only ones you can really evaluate to this point and the two Idzik years) the Jets drafted 32 players. Only three are still with the Jets. Of those three - one is on a one year deal, one is likely done playing due to a neck injury, and one is a potential cap casualty. Those are the only three to earn second contracts. Only fourteen of the 32 are still in or close to the NFL in any capacity - counting guys like Charone Peake who was recently signed to a reserve/futures deal and then waived shortly after. Six of the fourteen are 2016 draft picks. Two first round picks (Pryor, Milliner), two second round picks (Hackenberg, Amaro), and two third round picks (Mauldin, McDougle) are among the 18 out of the league. Of the nine players drafted in 2017 only two (Adams, Maye) are still with the Jets and four are out of the league. So good chance this doesn’t improve much one more draft in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, derp said: From 2013-2016 (first two years of Maccagnan which are the only ones you can really evaluate to this point and the two Idzik years) the Jets drafted 32 players. Only three are still with the Jets. Of those three - one is on a one year deal, one is likely done playing due to a neck injury, and one is a potential cap casualty. Those are the only three to earn second contracts. Only fourteen of the 32 are still in or close to the NFL in any capacity - counting guys like Charone Peake who was recently signed to a reserve/futures deal and then waived shortly after. Six of the fourteen are 2016 draft picks. Two first round picks (Pryor, Milliner), two second round picks (Hackenberg, Amaro), and two third round picks (Mauldin, McDougle) are among the 18 out of the league. Of the nine players drafted in 2017 only two (Adams, Maye) are still with the Jets and four are out of the league. So good chance this doesn’t improve much one more draft in. It’s been ugly, but 4-45? That’s tough to beat. Edited May 26, 2020 by AFJF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Looking back at Jets draft going all the way back to 1993 for an article and one stretch jumped out at me in a way that can only make you laugh so you don't cry. From 1995-1999, the Jets drafted 45 players. Of those 45 players, only four earned a second contract with the team (Jason Fabini, Jason Ferguson, Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman) There were some good players taken who were traded (Keyshawn) or walkd in FA (Randy Thomas), but even if they stick around, that's 6-for-45. 4-for-45...Jesus. Really, are you telling me we have sucked at drafting for a really long time? No way. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Looking back at Jets draft going all the way back to 1993 for an article and one stretch jumped out at me in a way that can only make you laugh so you don't cry. From 1995-1999, the Jets drafted 45 players. Of those 45 players, only four earned a second contract with the team (Jason Fabini, Jason Ferguson, Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman) There were some good players taken who were traded (Keyshawn) or walkd in FA (Randy Thomas), but even if they stick around, that's 6-for-45. 4-for-45...Jesus. Laveranues Coles? I know he had a middle stint in Wash but? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Jet Nut said: Laveranues Coles? I know he had a middle stint in Wash but? Yes, Coles eventually came back, but even if we include caveats like Coles and Revis it's still a horrific record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Looking back at Jets draft going all the way back to 1993 for an article and one stretch jumped out at me in a way that can only make you laugh so you don't cry. From 1995-1999, the Jets drafted 45 players. Of those 45 players, only four earned a second contract with the team (Jason Fabini, Jason Ferguson, Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman) There were some good players taken who were traded (Keyshawn) or walkd in FA (Randy Thomas), but even if they stick around, that's 6-for-45. 4-for-45...Jesus. 3 of those 5 drafts were Parcells. He was a horrible GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It would be interesting to see what the "hit rate" has been on a consistent winner like the Patriots to see how much of it is drafting and how much of it is the QB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, rangerous said: and those were the players that nearly took the team to the superbowl under parcells. to paraphrase a famous flier, it's not the crate it's the person flying the crate. under good leadership and coaching the players will perform. Not really. That team largely carried by veteran free agent additions or guys who were already in place before those drafts: Vinny T, Curtis, Mawae, Aaron Glenn, Pepper Johnson, Bryan Cox, Chrebet, Mo Lewis, Victor Green, etc... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Wonder how [poorly] this compares with the league average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Jets are a historically horrible team at winning the NFL Draft, news at 11. Lol. We all already know this, be assured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, AFJF said: Yes, Coles eventually came back, but even if we include caveats like Coles and Revis it's still a horrific record. Oh, no doubt. Not trying to change the horror that peaked during the Kotite years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, AFJF said: Not really. That team largely carried by veteran free agent additions or guys who were already in place before those drafts: Vinny T, Curtis, Mawae, Aaron Glenn, Pepper Johnson, Bryan Cox, Chrebet, Mo Lewis, Victor Green, etc... i didn't mean the listed players but the players of that era all came together to be a really good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, rangerous said: and those were the players that nearly took the team to the superbowl under parcells. to paraphrase a famous flier, it's not the crate it's the person flying the crate. under good leadership and coaching the players will perform. Actually the real argument should be if they drafted better, adding that talent to the talent brought in through FA or trade they would have won a Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, AFJF said: It’s been ugly, but 4-45? That’s tough to beat. Those are Shaq FT numbers.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, AFJF said: It’s been ugly, but 4-45? That’s tough to beat. I mean 3-32 is, while not exactly 4-45, basically right there to the point of being basically identical. It's 8.9% vs. 9.4% - the closest you could get to the 4-45 pace with 32 picks. Further - the four players re-signed were good Jets and were in the NFL 10+ years. Enunwa's career is over and Winters may not be a Jet by the time football is being played again. Jenkins is the only one who seems to even be on pace to have a career as good as the four in the OP. And the Jets got a huge haul back for Keyshawn that ended up being a huge part of setting the team up for early-mid 2000's success. Leonard WIlliams and Darron Lee were traded but both for pennies on the dollar because they didn't live up to their draft position. And my point was not even that 3-32 was worse - though I kind of think it was. But the team has horrible draft history within the last few years - why go back to the horrible drafting of 1995-1999? The recent examples are comparably awful and much more relevant to the current state of the franchise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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