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On 5/31/2020 at 1:23 AM, Mogglez said:

If we listed every single failure associated with every single QB guru and judged them solely on those guys, there would be none worth discussing.  The fact of the matter is this: star QBs, both pro and collegiate, overwhelmingly pick Palmer and his group over the other guys.  There's a reason for that.

Jared Goff had sloppy footwork due to lack of snaps under center out of Cal and the fact that he played his entire collegiate career in the Air-Raid system.  By the time he took his first snaps as a rookie, this issue was cleaned up, thanks to his pre-draft training with Palmer.

Deshaun Watson had an awful hitch in his throwing motion and sloppy footwork in college.  Both issues were non-existent after pre-draft training with Palmer.

Patrick Mahomes barely used his lower body when throwing the ball, had atrocious footwork, and an elongated motion at Texas Tech.  Some pre-draft training and one full off-season with Palmer erased those nasty habits.  The Mahomes of today resembles nothing of the raw project from Texas Tech.

Sam Darnold had an incredibly elongated throwing motion and release coming out of USC.  Incredibly long.  Before his junior year, he started working with Palmer and made huge strides.  He continued working Palmer for his pre-draft training and by the time he stepped on the field for rookie camp, his mechanics were tight and compact.

Joe Burrow sought out Palmer and his joined his group to tighten his mechanics up in order to generate more torque on the ball, and improve his footwork.  He went on to have the greatest collegiate season by any QB ever and was widely considered to be a very mechanically clean prospect.

QB gurus don't "make" these guys.  They refine them and help polish them, mostly mechanically, so that they can reach their full potential.  It's still up to the players to put it all together.  That being said, Jordan and his group do incorporate film study and breakdowns into their off-season work, something that guys like Tom House or George Whitfield Jr. don't really incorporate.

Great post. Obviously greatness is innate, but getting there requires coaching, nurturing and developing the natural talent. If you include behavioral sciences, there's even more that goes into greatness.

Unless of course, the belief is that Peyton Manning and Patrick Mahommes were/will be there same world beaters in their prime as the were at 15, 18, 21 years of age due simply to a supernatural gift imparted on them either at conception or birth. 

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