Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted June 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, JiF said: Huh? Nobody put up stats like Jamal did last year. He was in a league of his own. Incorrect. He put up excellent stats for a Weak Side LB. But several guys put up similar or better numbers than Jamal did last season, whether you want to call him a DB or LB. Jamal Adams: 61 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs vs. Jamie Collins: 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Darius Leonard: 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs Logan Ryan: 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs Demario Davis: 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs Fred Warner: 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs T.J. Watt: 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs Cory Littleton: 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Jordan Hicks: 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs Carlos Dunlap: 39 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 9.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 8 PDs, 13 TFLs Harrison Smith: 65 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 11 PDs, 4 TFLs Malcolm Jenkins: 63 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 2.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 8 PDs, 6 TFLs Jourdan Lewis: 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs Yannick Ngakoue: 36 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 8.0 Sacks, 6 PDs, 13 TFLs Whitney Mercilus: 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs Lavonte David: 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Joe Schobert: 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs Jaylon Smith: 83 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 2.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Vonn Bell: 66 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 5 PDs, 4 TFLs Devin McCourty: 46 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 0.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 0 TFLs Tre'Davious White: 48 Solo Tackles, 6 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 17 PDs, 4 TFLs And before you start screaming about sack totals, keep in mind that Adams was sent on 90 blitzes last season, ranking 10th among defensive players in the NFL. That's not a sustainable approach either, as every time Adams blitzed, it put an extra strain on the DB's. With the addition of Ashtyn Davis and a bunch of other DBs, as well as a couple new pass rushers, I imagine we'll see Adams in more of a traditional SS role next season. He won't come close to that 6.5 sack total in 2020. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 jets have money pay him-we barely ever draft a guy of substance let alone a pro bowl caliber player-he pretty much was the reason we had 2 of our wins last year-I have been a harsh critic on so much of the the jets have done especially lately but Adams is legit -I dont want to watch him ball out for another team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, kmnj said: jets have money pay him No, we really don't. The CJ Mosley contract ensured that. And with 2017 draft class QBs Mahomes and Watson beginning the process of negotiating their new deals, JD has to consider Darnold's new contract in the equation, as those negotiations could begin as early as 2021. Spending $15-18M per on a SS is completely ill-advised, no matter how good he is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted June 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, shawn306 said: Jets fans idea of top 50 1-10 QB 11-20 WR 21-30 Edge Rusher 30-50 CB I know, right!!!!!!!!!, these stupid f*cking fans value some positions over others. It's uNrEaL!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Incorrect. He put up excellent stats for a Weak Side LB. But several guys put up similar or better numbers than Jamal did last season, whether you want to call him a DB or LB. Jamal Adams: 61 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs vs. Jamie Collins: 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Darius Leonard: 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs Logan Ryan: 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs Demario Davis: 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs Fred Warner: 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs T.J. Watt: 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs Cory Littleton: 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Jordan Hicks: 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs Jourdan Lewis: 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs Whitney Mercilus: 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs Lavonte David: 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Joe Schobert: 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 TFLs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs And before you start screaming about sack totals, keep in mind that Adams was sent on 90 blitzes last season, ranking 10th among defensive players in the NFL. That's not a sustainable approach either, as every time Adams blitzed, it put an extra strain on the DB's. With the addition of Ashtyn Davis and a bunch of other DBs, I imagine we'll see Adams in more of a traditional SS role next season. He won't come close to that 6.5 sack total in 2020. Adams is special as a Safety......who doesn't really play Safety. Adams is average to above average for a Linebacker......who basically played Linebacker last year......but is officially listed as a "Strong Safety". Again, toss out the silly position listing, and judge the player for what he produces. Then determine his value. Great post. +1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JiF said: Huh? Nobody put up stats like Jamal did last year. He was in a league of his own. What a weird thing to say 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 hours ago, shawn306 said: Jets fans idea of top 50 1-10 QB 11-20 WR 21-30 Edge Rusher 30-50 CB While we're here, your avatar looks like a guy I used to do comedy shows with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Incorrect. He put up excellent stats for a Weak Side LB. But several guys put up similar or better numbers than Jamal did last season, whether you want to call him a DB or LB. Jamal Adams: 61 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs vs. Jamie Collins: 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Darius Leonard: 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs Logan Ryan: 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs Demario Davis: 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs Fred Warner: 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs T.J. Watt: 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs Cory Littleton: 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Jordan Hicks: 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs Jourdan Lewis: 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs Whitney Mercilus: 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs Lavonte David: 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Joe Schobert: 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 TFLs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs And before you start screaming about sack totals, keep in mind that Adams was sent on 90 blitzes last season, ranking 10th among defensive players in the NFL. That's not a sustainable approach either, as every time Adams blitzed, it put an extra strain on the DB's. With the addition of Ashtyn Davis and a bunch of other DBs, I imagine we'll see Adams in more of a traditional SS role next season. He won't come close to that 6.5 sack total in 2020. Not sure if Adams will be relieved of "sack duty" this coming season. I'd say that blitzing a SS so often is a band-aid of sorts for a lack of rush being generated by your front four. While, JD most decidedly improved the offensive line and also drafted what looks to be a situational pass rusher in Zuniga, there really has been no major improvement in the pass rushing ability of the front four. GW will still be looking to novel ways to get at the QB. Adams will probably be utilized like that again. I guess for the 2021 draft we'll all be guessing what edge rusher the Jets will be using their first rounder on. Man... How long as it been since the Jets had a top edge rusher ??? Abraham ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Not sure if Adams will be relieved of "sack duty" this coming season. I'd say that blitzing a SS so often is a band-aid of sorts for a lack of rush being generated by your front four. While, JD most decidedly improved the offensive line and also drafted what looks to be a situational pass rusher in Zuniga, there really has been no major improvement in the pass rushing ability of the front four. GW will still be looking to novel ways to get at the QB. Adams will probably be utilized like that again. I guess for the 2021 draft we'll all be guessing what edge rusher the Jets will be using their first rounder on. Man... How long as it been since the Jets had a top edge rusher ??? Abraham ??? If Adams blitzes another 80-90 times this year, Offensive Coordinators will be ready for it. And there's no Dwayne Haskins or Daniel Jones on the schedule this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: If Adams blitzes another 80-90 times this year, Offensive Coordinators will be ready for it. And there's no Dwayne Haskins or Daniel Jones on the schedule this time around. Not sure if you can really guard against the blitz unless you are the Pats and you listen in on the mike LB with your electronic gear. Even if a DC has a tendency to use ILBS for A gap blitzing more than usual, or DB's or what ever, the pressure is disguised. They got away with it a lot last year even when DC's had the film from every game. I don't even know if it is sound to scheme up a man blocking assignment on a safety. Interesting question in itself. What specific provisions would you put into an offense to counter a roaming SS ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Interesting question in itself. What specific provisions would you put into an offense to counter a roaming SS ??? I'm far from the best person to ask this question. My guess would be to assume Adams is blitzing all the time and opt for quick throws over the middle wherever possible. Drag routes, bubble screens, etc. Adams isn't an INT threat historically, so the risk of him staying put and picking you off is minimal. The big difference this year will be Mosley's presence. But that goes back to my original point that keeping Adams around the LOS all the time just makes little sense with Mosley around. If you want to send him as a blitzer a bunch, OK I guess, but it's not going to end as well as last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: While we're here, your avatar looks like a guy I used to do comedy shows with. Lil Jimmy Norton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Incorrect. He put up excellent stats for a Weak Side LB. But several guys put up similar or better numbers than Jamal did last season, whether you want to call him a DB or LB. Jamal Adams: 61 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs vs. Jamie Collins: 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Darius Leonard: 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs Logan Ryan: 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs Demario Davis: 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs Fred Warner: 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs T.J. Watt: 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs Cory Littleton: 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Jordan Hicks: 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs Carlos Dunlap: 39 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 9.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 8 PDs, 13 TFLs Harrison Smith: 65 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 11 PDs, 4 TFLs Malcolm Jenkins: 63 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 2.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 8 PDs, 6 TFLs Jourdan Lewis: 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs Yannick Ngakoue: 36 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 8.0 Sacks, 6 PDs, 13 TFLs Whitney Mercilus: 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs Lavonte David: 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Joe Schobert: 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs Jaylon Smith: 83 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 2.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Vonn Bell: 66 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 5 PDs, 4 TFLs Devin McCourty: 46 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 0.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 0 TFLs Tre'Davious White: 48 Solo Tackles, 6 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 17 PDs, 4 TFLs And before you start screaming about sack totals, keep in mind that Adams was sent on 90 blitzes last season, ranking 10th among defensive players in the NFL. That's not a sustainable approach either, as every time Adams blitzed, it put an extra strain on the DB's. With the addition of Ashtyn Davis and a bunch of other DBs, as well as a couple new pass rushers, I imagine we'll see Adams in more of a traditional SS role next season. He won't come close to that 6.5 sack total in 2020. How many had 2 TDs? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 How many had 2 TDs? lol. I’ll look that up later, just for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, shawn306 said: Lil Jimmy Norton lol Yep. Him, Todd Barry, Jim Gaffigan, Judah Friedlander, Dave Attel, Dmitri Martin, Tony Rock (Chris' brother), Dave Chappelle (once), even Jerry Seinfeld (once) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: I'm far from the best person to ask this question. My guess would be to assume Adams is blitzing all the time and opt for quick throws over the middle wherever possible. Drag routes, bubble screens, etc. Adams isn't an INT threat historically, so the risk of him staying put and picking you off is minimal. The big difference this year will be Mosley's presence. But that goes back to my original point that keeping Adams around the LOS all the time just makes little sense with Mosley around. If you want to send him as a blitzer a bunch, OK I guess, but it's not going to end as well as last year. Makes sense... And yes. Mosley. The defense fell apart when Mosley went down. I think that has less to do with Mosley being an excellent player, which he is, and more like GW didn't have anyone else fully prepared to call the defensive signals on the field. I hope Mosely is good to go now. He's a just a bit pricey to be watching from the sideline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 hours ago, JiF said: How many had 2 TDs? Of the list of 20 players I provided earlier, these 6 recorded TDs last season: Jamie Collins: 1 TD Darius Leonard: 1 TD Fred Warner: 1 TD Jourdan Lewis: 1 TD Yannick Ngakoue: 1 TD Vonn Bell: 1 TD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Danielle Hunter (70 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 93 pressures) is the 50th ranked player on this list. Where's Mauldin? I couldn't find him on the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Of the list of 20 players I provided earlier, these 6 recorded TDs last season: Jamie Collins: 1 TD Darius Leonard: 1 TD Fred Warner: 1 TD Jourdan Lewis: 1 TD Yannick Ngakoue: 1 TD Vonn Bell: 1 TD But none of them had 2. Exactly! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, JiF said: But none of them had 2. Exactly! #LeagueOfHisOwn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 20 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Which is a big part of the reason you take the pass rusher. The drop-off from elite safety to average safety is not as great as the drop off from elite pass rusher to average pass rusher. Either that or it is much easier to find average or replacement level safeties than pass rushers. I tend to think it is the latter, but the result is the same. 20 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Absolutely. Downgrade to an average safety, well maybe you don't make one or two stops now and then, or you give up another TD. Downgrade to an average pass rusher, especially in the absence of 1-2 star CBs, and far more than now & then you have no pressure without committing your DBs to blitzes. Sound familiar? This all goes to positional value. It's no coincidence that safety and RB are two of the lowest valued positions in the NFL. Look at the players who fill those jobs, they're smaller (for the NFL), and aren't generally the guys who run the fastest, or test the best, or have the best ball skills, so these are the positions they end up in. If a guy is 6'-215lb, runs a 4.35 and can catch, he's a WR or CB making WR or CB money. If he runs a 4.56 and can't catch, he's a safety. That premium pass rusher is gonna be 6'5"-265lb, and run a 4.65. There just aren't as many of those guys on the planet, as Parcells would say. Even if we call Jamal Adams a great safety just for argument's sake, why is he great? IMHO, it's because he's a smart, very well-prepared player, with a non-stop motor. Those are great attributes. Those were some of the reasons that Revis was a great CB, too. But, like Revis, I suspect that if Jamal gets hurt, loses a step, or gets lazy about the work after getting paid, his fall won't be gradual. It'll be off the cliff. And you can replace him with another 6'-215lb-er, who's maybe a better athlete(!) but not as hard a worker and still get most of the same production from him for a fraction of the cost. This is why I'm not giving out one of my big money deals to a safety, or a money-backer, or whatever the **** you want to call him. At the end of the day, he's a 6'1"-215lb dude who runs a 4.56, and I can find another one of those. If someone wants to give me a first-rounder plus for that, I'm listening intently. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, slats said: This all goes to positional value. It's no coincidence that safety and RB are two of the lowest valued positions in the NFL. Look at the players who fill those jobs, they're smaller (for the NFL), and aren't generally the guys who run the fastest, or test the best, or have the best ball skills, so these are the positions they end up in. If a guy is 6'-215lb, runs a 4.35 and can catch, he's a WR or CB making WR or CB money. If he runs a 4.56 and can't catch, he's a safety. That premium pass rusher is gonna be 6'5"-265lb, and run a 4.65. There just aren't as many of those guys on the planet, as Parcells would say. Even if we call Jamal Adams a great safety just for argument's sake, why is he great? IMHO, it's because he's a smart, very well-prepared player, with a non-stop motor. Those are great attributes. Those were some of the reasons that Revis was a great CB, too. But, like Revis, I suspect that if Jamal gets hurt, loses a step, or gets lazy about the work after getting paid, his fall won't be gradual. It'll be off the cliff. And you can replace him with another 6'-215lb-er, who's maybe a better athlete(!) but not as hard a worker and still get most of the same production from him for a fraction of the cost. This is why I'm not giving out one of my big money deals to a safety, or a money-backer, or whatever the **** you want to call him. At the end of the day, he's a 6'1"-215lb dude who runs a 4.56, and I can find another one of those. If someone wants to give me a first-rounder plus for that, I'm listening intently. Yep, it's the same argument over and over again. Positional value. It's why the Jets signing Bell and the Giants drafting Barkley #2 overall didn't move the needle for either franchise. We see it over and over again, year after year, across the league. My heart wants Adams to be a long term Jet because we drafted him and we draft so few 1st team all-pro talents (and we passed on Mahomes/Watson to draft him), but my mind knows that making him one of the highest defensive players in the league doesn't make any sense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Adams sucks let’s trade him for a bag of sprouted potatoes 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 12 hours ago, THE BARON said: Makes sense... And yes. Mosley. The defense fell apart when Mosley went down. I think that has less to do with Mosley being an excellent player, which he is, and more like GW didn't have anyone else fully prepared to call the defensive signals on the field. I hope Mosely is good to go now. He's a just a bit pricey to be watching from the sideline. Man. I wish he'd give us an update on how he's doing. "Full range of motion." Please! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Utterly insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 5:17 PM, Warfish said: Adams is special as a Safety......who doesn't really play Safety. Adams is average to above average for a Linebacker......who basically played Linebacker last year......but is officially listed as a "Strong Safety". Again, toss out the silly position listing, and judge the player for what he produces. Then determine his value. Great post. +1 So now he’s a special safety and not a strong safety? He’s definitely a SS - a sheety safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 1:22 PM, slimjasi said: Yeah, someone should really do something about these fans. This is what it’s like watching Adams cover in the secondary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 15 hours ago, slats said: Look at the players who fill those jobs, they're smaller (for the NFL), and aren't generally the guys who run the fastest, or test the best, or have the best ball skills, so these are the positions they end up in. If a guy is 6'-215lb, runs a 4.35 and can catch, he's a WR or CB making WR or CB money. If he runs a 4.56 and can't catch, he's a safety. That premium pass rusher is gonna be 6'5"-265lb, and run a 4.65. There just aren't as many of those guys on the planet, as Parcells would say If you can't catch and have to play defense and then use social media (or use your paid trolls) to promote yourself. Paying this guy 18-20M is insanity, Thankfully Macc is history. JD will trade his ass for real Jets positional value if some GM (Jerry Jones) is stupid enough to offer a good deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 6:51 PM, Jetsfan80 said: If Adams blitzes another 80-90 times this year, Offensive Coordinators will be ready for it. They already know. They can’t stop him. Jamal Adams is coming for you. #jamalmetrics 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 17 hours ago, slimjasi said: Yep, it's the same argument over and over again. Positional value. It's why the Jets signing Bell and the Giants drafting Barkley #2 overall didn't move the needle for either franchise. We see it over and over again, year after year, across the league. My heart wants Adams to be a long term Jet because we drafted him and we draft so few 1st team all-pro talents (and we passed on Mahomes/Watson to draft him), but my mind knows that making him one of the highest defensive players in the league doesn't make any sense. Adams is easily replaceable with a SS that'll that will provide 85 to 90 percent of his production at 1/2 the cost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 4:33 PM, Jetsfan80 said: Incorrect. He put up excellent stats for a Weak Side LB. But several guys put up similar or better numbers than Jamal did last season, whether you want to call him a DB or LB. Jamal Adams: 61 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 6.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs vs. Jamie Collins: 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Darius Leonard: 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs Logan Ryan: 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs Demario Davis: 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs Fred Warner: 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs T.J. Watt: 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs Cory Littleton: 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Jordan Hicks: 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs Carlos Dunlap: 39 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 9.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 8 PDs, 13 TFLs Harrison Smith: 65 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 11 PDs, 4 TFLs Malcolm Jenkins: 63 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 2.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 8 PDs, 6 TFLs Jourdan Lewis: 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs Yannick Ngakoue: 36 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 8.0 Sacks, 6 PDs, 13 TFLs Whitney Mercilus: 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs Lavonte David: 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs Joe Schobert: 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs Jaylon Smith: 83 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 2.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs Vonn Bell: 66 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 5 PDs, 4 TFLs Devin McCourty: 46 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 0.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 0 TFLs Tre'Davious White: 48 Solo Tackles, 6 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 17 PDs, 4 TFLs And before you start screaming about sack totals, keep in mind that Adams was sent on 90 blitzes last season, ranking 10th among defensive players in the NFL. That's not a sustainable approach either, as every time Adams blitzed, it put an extra strain on the DB's. With the addition of Ashtyn Davis and a bunch of other DBs, as well as a couple new pass rushers, I imagine we'll see Adams in more of a traditional SS role next season. He won't come close to that 6.5 sack total in 2020. Just a thought here......wonder if Williams changed Adams' role into what Anthony Barr was going to be? Now that we drafted Davis, does Jamal really become Barr? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Big_Slick said: Adams is easily replaceable with a SS that'll that will provide 85 to 90 percent of his production at 1/2 the cost. Ok so they get rid of a WR and replace him with someone that produces less and then they should get rid of the best player on the team and replace him with someone that produces less. Is there anyone else that they should replace replace with a less productive player? It’s not a farm team for the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, T0mShane said: What a weird thing to say Nobody in the top-20 put up stats like Jamal is what I think he meant to say. And so he is in a league of his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Vader said: They already know. They can’t stop him. Jamal Adams is coming for you. #jamalmetrics I'm sure Mahomes and Russell Wilson are shaking in their boots! Any smart and/or veteran QB will tell you that they typically love it when the Safety blitzes. They aren't all Dwayne Haskins and Daniel Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, section314 said: Just a thought here......wonder if Williams changed Adams' role into what Anthony Barr was going to be? Now that we drafted Davis, does Jamal really become Barr? I wouldn't mind it. But you of course don't pay Anthony Barr $15-18M per year. Barr signed last year for $67.5M over 5 years ($13.5M per), with $15.9M guaranteed. And what he will actually get paid out will be much lower, given that he will never see the final year on the deal (2023 - $18.1M against the cap). Essentially it ends up being a 4-year deal worth about $12.5M per year. That would be a pretty good benchmark contract for what Adams is actually worth. And before anyone says Adams is a lot better than Barr, keep in mind that Barr's numbers in an average season isn't that far off from Adams' production: 48.5 Solo Tackles, 0.3 INTs, 2.5 Sacks, 1.3 FFs, 6.0 TFLs, 4.3 PDs, 6.3 QB Hits. With 4 Pro Bowl appearances in 6 seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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