nyjunc Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, it is. It's as if people forget that the league had Rex figured out by late 2011, and how badly he failed in both NY and Buffalo from 2011-2016. His career record is 61-66 (65-68 when you include the playoff record). He's a loser and he hasn't been in consideration for a HC job since. And for good reason. If you look at the teams he had from 2012-2016 he did a really good job. The Jets were retooling and the bills were always injury ravaged so even at his worst he wasn't bad. He had 2 losing seasons of his full seasons in 7 years. Contrast that with Belichick who has 5 in 7 full years without Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: He didn't have a bad playoff game. That's highly debatable, but even if not qualified as bad, there's certainly none beyond the Pats game that meet any criteria of a good individual performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 hours ago, nyjunc said: He was a big part of those teams, we had a HOFer the year before with an easier schedule and Brady out for the year and couldn't even make the playoffs. Yes a major cog, bordering on the straw that stirred the drink, and the team clearly would've been worse without him. #genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, it is. It's as if people forget that the league had Rex figured out by late 2011, and how badly he failed in both NY and Buffalo from 2011-2016. His career record is 61-66 (65-68 when you include the playoff record). He's a loser and he hasn't been in consideration for a HC job since. And for good reason. Thanks for reminding me. Man, he was all peaks and valleys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: That's highly debatable, but even if not qualified as bad, there's certainly none beyond the Pats game that meet any criteria of a good individual performance. It's not debatable at all. 10 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yes a major cog, bordering on the straw that stirred the drink, and the team clearly would've been worse without him. #genius He was a perfect fit for those teams but I'm sure you would have rather missed the playoffs or lost early with "better" QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 18 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: That's really kind of a myth though. Credit where it's due, he had a good performance that I will always appreciate against the Pats in the 2010 playoffs, but otherwise he was average at best in all the other Jets' playoff performances, wins or losses. Then again, I guess the argument could be made that average-at-best was still "better" for Sanchez, but that doesn't make it particularly good. Sanchez #’s in the playoffs: 9TDs 3INTs QB Rating above 90 Not great, but certainly good and arguably very good and all of those games were on the road. If Sanchez played like that in regular season games at home facing mediocre teams he would still be starting for us and have a $100 million+ contract and Rex would still be the coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: Sanchez #’s in the playoffs: 9TDs 3INTs QB Rating above 90 Not great, but certainly good and arguably very good and all of those games were on the road. If Sanchez played like that in regular season games at home facing mediocre teams he would still be starting for us and have a $100 million+ contract and Rex would still be the coach The admittedly good Pats game accounts for 3 of those TDs, but 0 INTs. That leaves 6 TDs 3 INTs (plus a crippling fumble-6), under 1000 passing yards , and <60% completion in the other 5 games, which is most certainly "average at best" across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 hours ago, nyjunc said: It's not debatable at all. He was a perfect fit for those teams but I'm sure you would have rather missed the playoffs or lost early with "better" QBs. He was a perfect fit for nothing. Except maybe his face was a perfect fit for Brandon Moore's ass crack. The idea that better QBs didn't get as far, while playing on otherwise lesser overall teams, is a silly argument (so I'm unsurprised you'd continue to try to make it). It presumes those obviously superior QBs wouldn't have gotten the Jets as far (let alone further) than the Jets got with Sanchez. Also Trent Dilfer was a better and more valuable QB than Dan Marino because he got a SB ring and Marino didn't. Yeah you go with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: The admittedly good Pats game accounts for 3 of those TDs, but 0 INTs. That leaves 6 TDs 3 INTs (plus a crippling fumble-6), under 1000 passing yards , and <60% completion in the other 5 games, which is most certainly "average at best" across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: He was a perfect fit for nothing. Except maybe his face was a perfect fit for Brandon Moore's ass crack. The idea that better QBs didn't get as far, while playing on otherwise lesser overall teams, is a silly argument (so I'm unsurprised you'd continue to try to make it). It presumes those obviously superior QBs wouldn't have gotten the Jets as far (let alone further) than the Jets got with Sanchez. Also Trent Dilfer was a better and more valuable QB than Dan Marino because he got a SB ring and Marino didn't. Yeah you go with that. Dilfer was perfect for that Baltimore team, remember when they thought they had a better QB in Elvis Grbac after him? They never got close to a SB again. For the Jets we had the legendary Brett Favre and couldn't even make the playoffs with a much easier schedule and no Brady around. We have the worst fanbase in sports, we'll celebrate favre, Fitz, mangini while we dump on Chad, mark and Rex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 20 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: The admittedly good Pats game accounts for 3 of those TDs, but 0 INTs. That leaves 6 TDs 3 INTs (plus a crippling fumble-6), under 1000 passing yards , and <60% completion in the other 5 games, which is most certainly "average at best" across the board. The "crippling" fumble wasn't crippling at all, that made the score 24-0 and we scored quickly to make it 24-3 at half. If he's not throwing and holds onto the ball we are punting from near our EZ and Weatherford stunk. Pitt gets the ball near midfield and they likely kick a FG so instead of being down 24-3 we'd have been down 20-0. Of his 3 INTs only 1 hurt them and that still won that game. He was neat perfect vs Cincy, only 3 incompletions with 2 being drops including a 50 yard would be TD. At SD his numbers weren't great but he made huge plays and limited mistakes. That game was decided by no the QBs, the "great" Philip Rivers made the big mistake, the crappy rookie didn't. In Indy he was really good leading us to 11 point lead, first possession of 2nd half shonn Greene went down and we had no threat of a run game against 2 premiere pass rushers in a dome. At Indy WC he stunk in the 1st half but was great in the 2nd half including leading a drive that set up a chip shot FG at the gun for the win. At NE he was outstanding. At Pitt he barely had any chances in the first half then brought them within 5 with 3 minutes and 3 TOs only to watch the D allow multiple 1st downs and Pitt run out the clock. He was at least good in every postseason game, he didn't cost us in any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: The "crippling" fumble wasn't crippling at all, that made the score 24-0 and we scored quickly to make it 24-3 at half. If he's not throwing and holds onto the ball we are punting from near our EZ and Weatherford stunk. Pitt gets the ball near midfield and they likely kick a FG so instead of being down 24-3 we'd have been down 20-0. Of his 3 INTs only 1 hurt them and that still won that game. He was neat perfect vs Cincy, only 3 incompletions with 2 being drops including a 50 yard would be TD. At SD his numbers weren't great but he made huge plays and limited mistakes. That game was decided by no the QBs, the "great" Philip Rivers made the big mistake, the crappy rookie didn't. In Indy he was really good leading us to 11 point lead, first possession of 2nd half shonn Greene went down and we had no threat of a run game against 2 premiere pass rushers in a dome. At Indy WC he stunk in the 1st half but was great in the 2nd half including leading a drive that set up a chip shot FG at the gun for the win. At NE he was outstanding. At Pitt he barely had any chances in the first half then brought them within 5 with 3 minutes and 3 TOs only to watch the D allow multiple 1st downs and Pitt run out the clock. He was at least good in every postseason game, he didn't cost us in any of them. So your entire argument is that all of the things that went wrong don't count, anything done at all, no matter how menial, must be held onto a pedestal, and things that didn't even happen which you are 100% completely fabricating need to be taken into consideration? Sure, seem legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 That pick before the half when he tried to force it to Keller was bad. He was terrible in this game. But he made some big throws late when we needed him to. Indy's secondary was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: So your entire argument is that all of the things that went wrong don't count, anything done at all, no matter how menial, must be held onto a pedestal, and things that didn't even happen which you are 100% completely fabricating need to be taken into consideration? Sure, seem legit. You are the one fabricating saying the fumble was crippling when it was not. 1 meaningful TO in 6 games and they won that game. Jet fans just want to bash the guy for some reason, these are the same Jet fans that love Ken O'Brien and Brett favre who failed time after time after time in bigger games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 5 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said: That pick before the half when he tried to force it to Keller was bad. He was terrible in this game. But he made some big throws late when we needed him to. Indy's secondary was terrible. He was bad that first half, all his throws were high. They came out and ran it down Indy's throat while he made big throws to compliment the run game then with less than a minute left and the season on the line he set up a chip shot FG for the win. Not every game is a thing of beauty but he rebounded from poor first half and helped them win a road playoff game. He deserves respect for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Mark Sanchez stans are, without question, the strangest subset of Jets fans ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, nyjunc said: You are the one fabricating saying the fumble was crippling when it was not. 1 meaningful TO in 6 games and they won that game. Jet fans just want to bash the guy for some reason, these are the same Jet fans that love Ken O'Brien and Brett favre who failed time after time after time in bigger games. It was the sole reason for 7 points in a 5 point loss. Those are the facts. Qualifying only select turnovers as "meaningful" is nonsense. Not scoring points and instead surrendering the ball to the opposition is always meaningful. If the opposing team does not do anything with that opportunity, that is 100% to the credit of the defense, and in no way excuses Sanchez's own failures. Jets fans bash the guy because he sucked at playing QB, which is that thing he was paid to do. The other players who may or may not have also sucked at it are completely irrelevant to that reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said: It was the sole reason for 7 points in a 5 point loss. Those are the facts. Qualifying only select turnovers as "meaningful" is nonsense. Not scoring points and instead surrendering the ball to the opposition is always meaningful. If the opposing team does not do anything with that opportunity, that is 100% to the credit of the defense, and in no way excuses Sanchez's own failures. Jets fans bash the guy because he sucked at playing QB, which is that thing he was paid to do. The other players who may or may not have also sucked at it are completely irrelevant to that reality. He got blindsided while attempting to throw, putting that aside if he wasn't throwing and he holds onto the ball the Jets punt from their EZ and Pitt likely kicks a FG to go up 20-0 at half, after the TO he led us right down for a FG to trail 24-3. That 1 point didn't make a difference, we lost because the D was dominated all first half then when we got it within 5 the D came up small again and allowed Pitt to run out the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: Mark Sanchez stans are, without question, the strangest subset of Jets fans ever. Some of us enjoy reality. No one has said he was great but the treatment he gets from our fans is despicable. I appreciate those that helped my team win, I guess I'm weird like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Some of us enjoy reality. No one has said he was great but the treatment he gets from our fans is despicable. I appreciate those that helped my team win, I guess I'm weird like that. It's the exact opposite of reality. They take a team predicated on elite defense and a great running game with poor QB play from a guy who was a turnover machine and give the guy who held us back the credit. Like, there were times he played well and actually looked like an NFL QB and they praise him for that -- if we had an above average QB on those teams we have homefield advantage and win championships. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: He got blindsided while attempting to throw, putting that aside if he wasn't throwing and he holds onto the ball the Jets punt from their EZ and Pitt likely kicks a FG to go up 20-0 at half, after the TO he led us right down for a FG to trail 24-3. That 1 point didn't make a difference, we lost because the D was dominated all first half then when we got it within 5 the D came up small again and allowed Pitt to run out the clock. So basically, your entire argument is based on your own complete fabrications. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 13 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: It's the exact opposite of reality. They take a team predicated on elite defense and a great running game with poor QB play from a guy who was a turnover machine and give the guy who held us back the credit. Like, there were times he played well and actually looked like an NFL QB and they praise him for that -- if we had an above average QB on those teams we have homefield advantage and win championships. That's literally the way Eli Manning won 2 SBs. Mark was a TO machine in the regular season but not in the playoffs. He held nothing back, they lost both AFC Championship Games because the D failed to play their game. Again, we couldn't even make the playoffs against weaker schedule with no Brady around when we had a HOF QB. 13 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: So basically, your entire argument is based on your own complete fabrications. My argument, as always, is based on facts and logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: That's literally the way Eli Manning won 2 SBs. I know. It's why I think Eli Manning is overrated and doesn't deserve to sniff the HoF and you think he's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, nyjunc said: My argument, as always, is based on facts and logic. You're citing a make-believe magical land where a completely different game happened, as your entire basis for why Sanchez can't be blamed for his own actual failures that did in fact take place in the real world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 On 6/13/2020 at 11:11 AM, Bleedin Green said: You're citing a make-believe magical land where a completely different game happened, as your entire basis for why Sanchez can't be blamed for his own actual failures that did in fact take place in the real world. nyjunc makes his own reality. It's why its a waste of time ever trying to argue with him. It's like Dunning-Kruger meets Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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