Assemble The Startting Line Up Of The Worst At Every Position

[THE BARON]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Here's the "All-Bust" roster:

• QB:  Browning Nagle
• QB:  Christian Hackenberg
• RB:  Roger Vick
• RB:  Blair Thomas
• RB:  Shonn Greene
• FB:  B.J. Askew
• WR:  Lam Jones
• WR:  Alex Van Dyke
• WR:  Ryan Yarborough
• WR:  Reggie Rembert
• WR:  ArDarius Stewart
• TE:  Johnny Mitchell
• TE:  Kyle Brady
• TE:  Jace Amaro
• OT:  John Mooring
• OT:  Doug Williams
• OT:  Gordie Browne
• OT:  Vlad Ducasse
• G:  Dave Cadigan
• G:  David Loverne
• G:  Mike Haight
• C :  Paul Seiler
• DE:  Vernon Gholston
• DE:  Quinton Coples
• DT:  Dewayne Robertson
• DT:  Rick Terry
• NT:  Kenrick Ellis
• DL:  Dorian Boose
• DL:  Coleman Rudolph
• DL:  Ron Faurot
• OLB:  Jachai Polite
• OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin
• ILB:  Darron Lee
• ILB:  Anthony Schlegel
• LB:  Mark Merrill
• LB:  Kurt Barber - HUGE CONTRIUTION ON SPECIAL TEAMS
• CB:  Kyle Wilson
• CB:  Dee Milliner
• CB:  Derrick Strait
• CB:  Justin Miller
• CB:  Terry Williams
• FS:  Jon McGraw
• SS:  Calvin Pryor
• S:  Scott Frost
• K:  Mike Nugent
• P:  Mike Rice
• KR:  Jo-Jo Townsell
• PR:  Dedric Ward

A few comments here...

The ones I put in bold  made a contribution even if they didn't live up to the draft spot. They didn't flat out SUCK

[THE BARON]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

OFFENSE

QB: Luke Falk

WR 1: Stephen Hill

WR 2: Clyde Gates

WR 3: Lam Jones

WR 4: Justin McCareins

RB: Roger Vick

FB: Lex Hilliard

TE: Matthew Mulligan

Center: Spencer Long

LG: Adrian Clarke

RG: Vlad Ducasse

LT: Anthony Clement

RT: Wayne Hunter

DEFENSE

CB: Darryl Roberts 

CB: Carl Howard

Slot CB: Kyle Wilson

CB 4: Nate Hairston

SS: Eric Smith

FS: Damien Robinson

LB 1: Anthony Schlegel

LB 2: Darron Lee

OLB 1: Vernon Gholston

OLB 2: Jamaal Westerman

DE 1: Quinton Coples

DE 2: Mike Pennel

DT 1: Dwayne Robertson

DT 2: Kenrick Ellis

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: Kaare Vedvik 

P: Ryan Quigley

Love the list.  I'm glad Im not the only one who remembers Carl Howard. What I fondly remember most about CH is that on multiple occasions, he was getting beat so badly, he flagrantly committed PI and mugged the WR about two seconds before the ball got there and then to try to play it off, he threw his arms in the air and ran in triumphant glee to "celebrate" the big play he made.... Then the yellow laundry would come flying out from three different officials and he'd stop his celebration and have this "WTF" look on his face like he had no idea why he was just flagged.  It was actually hilarious.  He had the best "WHAT THE HELL" mug I have ever seen... 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

11 hours ago, THE BARON said:

OK... Here is a fun exercise.

Since there has been about a thousand threads about putting together the ALL TIME JETS TEAM... 

Help me assemble the worst of the worst starters the Jets ever fielded at every position.    I've got a few players in mind, but lots of holes that I'm SURE some in here can help with...

To make the team, the player has to have started for the Jets at least a few games. No obscure players, please

OFFENSE

QB: Brooks Bollinger

WR1: Steven Hill

WR2: Justin "McDroppins" McCareins

RB: Nuu Faaola

FB: The Terminator

TE: Chris Dressel

C

G1: Adrian Clarke

G2

T1 Anthony Clement, 

T2

DEFENSE

CB: Lito Shephard 

CB: Carl Howard (Mr. "PI")

SS: Eric Smith (I dare you do improve on that)

FS:

LB1: Anthony Schlagel

LB2: 

LB3

DE1

DE2

DT1

DT2

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: Doug Brien 

P

No obscure names. RB Nuu Faaola (22 career touches.)

Troy Taylor played for two years and was far worse than Brooks Bolinger.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

K:  Pat Leahy

 

The all-time leader in Jets scoring is the worst kicker that we ever had? That might be a hall of fame level bad take. 

Sam Ficken, Cary Blanchard and Jason Staurovsky would like a few words with you.

 

[CSNY]

Ron Faurot has got to be one of the worst first rounders Jets have ever selected 

[14 in Green]

9 hours ago, rangerous said:

tough to leave roger vick off this list along with ardaruis stewart and hansen.  louis aquiarre needs to punter.  i think that norwegian guy was a much worse kicker than doug brien.  qb?  bubby brister belongs on the list.

Hopefully Luis Aguiar (Iowa St.) wasn’t the worst punter ever. 

I got really drunk one night with him and Marty Lyons at a charity event drinking vodka and lime juice on the rocks. He was a great guy.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Calling him the "2" in a 1-2 punch his rookie year would be an exaggeration.  Thomas Jones had 331 carries in 2009.  Greene had 108.

And most of those 108 carries were towards the end of the season (when Jones was gassed) and in big moments.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

A few comments here...

The ones I put in bold  made a contribution even if they didn't live up to the draft spot. They didn't flat out SUCK

Nugent was the only one we used a high pick on.  Therefore he's the biggest bust.  "Contributing" isn't enough to avoid that fate.

[DetroitRed]

Hill and Lam Jones are not the worst of all time

[Paradis]

13 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Not fair.  Nagle actually had one good game

 

Petty and Falk did nothing but stink

 

i think there needs to be a credible 8-10 sample size... otherwise the list one and done's is worse than Petty. 

[varjet]

I don’t see how Eric Smith makes a list.   He played for a long time and was not the Jets biggest problem.  Lyles and Pryor were worse. 

The Jets has a very strong run of Centers from the 1960s really.  Macaggnan screwed it, but Kalil was the worst Center I have ever seen play for the Jets.  

[Jetsfan80]

You could make up a team of JUST Macc picks/acquisitions @Pac:  

• QB:  Christian Hackenberg
• QB:  Bryce Petty
• RB:  Matt Forte
• RB:  Stevan Ridley
• RB:  Zac Stacy
• WR:  ArDarius Stewart
• WR:  Chad Hansen
• WR:  Devin Smith
• WR:  Terrelle Pryor
• WR:  Rishard Matthews
• TE:  Jordan Leggett
• TE:  Kellen Davis
• OT:  Ryan Clady
• OT:  Brandon Shell
• G:  Kelechi Osemele
• G:  Jarvis Harrison
• C :  Spencer Long
• DE:  Dylan Donahue
• DE:  Mike Pennel
• NT:  Deon Simon
• OLB:  Jachai Polite
• OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin
• ILB:  Darron Lee
• CB:  Trumaine Johnson
• CB:  Antonio Cromartie
• CB:  Buster Skrine
• CB:  Juston Burris
• CB:  Jeremy Clark
• S:  Marcus Gilchrist
• S:  Marcus Maye
• K:  Randy Bullock
• P:  Steve Weatherford (signed back to Jets in 2015)

[nico002]

7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Calling him the "2" in a 1-2 punch his rookie year would be an exaggeration.  Thomas Jones had 331 carries in 2009.  Greene had 108.

How old are you? Greene is the reason we went deep in the playoffs that year, he was the offense.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, nico002 said:

How old are you? Greene is the reason we went deep in the playoffs that year, he was the offense.

The Offensive Line was the offense.  Stick to fawning over Sammy.

[nico002]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

The Offensive Line was the offense.  Stick to fawning over Sammy.

no it wasn’t, Thomas Jones was an absolute JAG behind that same line. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, nico002 said:

no it wasn’t, Thomas Jones was an absolute JAG behind that same line. 

lol

[RobR]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You could make up a team of JUST Macc picks/acquisitions @Pac:  

• QB:  Christian Hackenberg
• QB:  Bryce Petty
• RB:  Matt Forte
• RB:  Stevan Ridley
• RB:  Zac Stacy
• WR:  ArDarius Stewart
• WR:  Chad Hansen
• WR:  Devin Smith
• WR:  Terrelle Pryor
• WR:  Rishard Matthews
• TE:  Jordan Leggett
• TE:  Kellen Davis
• OT:  Ryan Clady
• OT:  Brandon Shell
• G:  Kelechi Osemele
• G:  Jarvis Harrison
• C :  Spencer Long
• DE:  Dylan Donahue
• DE:  Mike Pennel
• NT:  Deon Simon
• OLB:  Jachai Polite
• OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin
• ILB:  Darron Lee
• CB:  Trumaine Johnson
• CB:  Antonio Cromartie
• CB:  Buster Skrine
• CB:  Juston Burris
• CB:  Jeremy Clark
• S:  Marcus Gilchrist
• S:  Marcus Maye
• K:  Randy Bullock
• P:  Steve Weatherford (signed back to Jets in 2015)

You're not giving Pennel enough credit.

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, RobR said:

You're not giving Pennel enough credit.

I think I'm giving him the exact right amount of credit.  2 meh seasons for $10.5M, when the team had plenty of DL depth.  

[RobR]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I think I'm giving him the exact right amount of credit.  2 meh seasons for $10.5M, when the team had plenty of DL depth.  

Should have put an emoji in. With the list you provided, this is what happened

[RobR]

3 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

Hopefully Luis Aguiar (Iowa St.) wasn’t the worst punter ever. 

I got really drunk one night with him and Marty Lyons at a charity event drinking vodka and lime juice on the rocks. He was a great guy.

You sure it wasn't Sean Landeta and Jim Burt?

[Gangrene]

17 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

These are the kinds of guys I expected.  

OTOH, I don't blame the player, I blame the coach.  Even the sh*ttiest fringe NFL player is such a monster that it seems wrong to denigrate them when I am such a stud athlete.  McIver was a D2 defensive lineman at Elizabeth City State.  He was signed as a UDFA Dlineman in his first camp and bounced around.  His 2nd or 3rd team decided to convert him to offensive line.  He spent time on a practice squad and near the end of his rookie year the Jets poached him.  The Jets spent a year developing him.  In his 3rd year, WIllig got hurt and Kotite threw him out there at LT.   Literally everything about the guy screamed G, but Kotite put him at LT and didn't bother to give him much help.  The results were predictable.  

To his credit, McIVer went to the world league and had a few credible seasons with the Dolphins and Cowboys playing guard.  His career trajectory could have been towards Brandon Moore if he weren't so poorly handled.

Similarly, Vance Joesph at CB was the expected submission.  He was a college QB at Colorado.  The Jets converted him to CB and during his rookie year, in what I believe was his frrst game action, threw him on TIm Brown.   I think Brown (8/156/2TDs) said "That was not a good decision" in the interviews after the game.  He kicked around a year or two and then went into coaching eventually becoming the recently fired HC of the Broncos.  I think he is DC of the Cards now. 

A few of the guys the OP lists were part of the #1 D in the NFL.  For C the obvious answer is an injured Spencer Long, but that is another thing that is as much coaches decision as talent issue.  Maybe Kalil.  He wasn't any better and didn't have the injury excuse.

 I remember hearing Vance Joseph take questions from reporters after the game, he was pretty stand up about it, taking responsibility but it was Kotite that deserved to be castigated that day.

[Philc1]

8 hours ago, varjet said:

I don’t see how Eric Smith makes a list.   He played for a long time and was not the Jets biggest problem.  Lyles and Pryor were worse. 

The Jets has a very strong run of Centers from the 1960s really.  Macaggnan screwed it, but Kalil was the worst Center I have ever seen play for the Jets.  

There wasn’t a tight end or fullback who didn’t love going up against Eric Smith in man to man especially in the red zone

[Philc1]

17 hours ago, mrcoops said:

He's in the slot, trailing 10 yards behind the guy he's covering.

Kyle Wilson = The Welker Stopper

[Philc1]

15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Of course they do.  Shonn Greene was drafted in the 3rd round and got to run behind the best OL in the NFL.  Result?  A paltry 4.1 ypc and a guy who looked like he'd just been shot every time he got up from the pile.  

Ward and Townsell, on a yardage per return basis, were 2 of the worst return men in Jets history.  Not good enough for 3rd round picks who brought nothing or very little to the table as WRs.  What return men were drafted higher and disappointed more?  Justin Miller, I suppose, but I put him in the CB pile.

Greene was fine.  Not sure how you can kill the guy he had some good games in that back to back AFCG playoff run

[Snell41]

How is Eric Smith on the list? He was about on par with anything Adams has done.


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[THE BARON]

8 hours ago, varjet said:

I don’t see how Eric Smith makes a list.   He played for a long time and was not the Jets biggest problem.  Lyles and Pryor were worse. 

The Jets has a very strong run of Centers from the 1960s really.  Macaggnan screwed it, but Kalil was the worst Center I have ever seen play for the Jets.  

I went with Eric Smith because his lack of speed and ability to cover TE's was maddening.  I wanted to drive my head through a wall.  TE's FEASTED on Eric Smith.  He played for so long because he was cerebral in a football sense and he could make all the defensive calls for Rex.  It is why Rex stuck with him.  He had a complete grasp on Rex's defense.  To my senses, Eric Smith should have retired and asked Rex for an assistant DC spot.  

I cant put Kalil on any "suck" list.  His career was over when he signed with the Jets, but he was a really splendid player for many years elsewhere.  He did a favor for the GM, but I guess neither realized that it would turn out so badly.  

[THE BARON]

11 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

No obscure names. RB Nuu Faaola (22 career touches.)

Troy Taylor played for two years and was far worse than Brooks Bolinger.

I guess I remember Nuu Faaola for two unflattering reasons.  Just before he was cut, he was a part of a play that was something like the butt fumble before there was the butt fumble.  He also went "Ray Rice" on his wife.  There was actually a cheezy made for TV movie with Armand Asante that was based on it...

[Philc1]

29 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I went with Eric Smith because his lack of speed and ability to cover TE's was maddening.  I wanted to drive my head through a wall.  TE's FEASTED on Eric Smith.  He played for so long because he was cerebral in a football sense and he could make all the defensive calls for Rex.  It is why Rex stuck with him.  He had a complete grasp on Rex's defense.  To my senses, Eric Smith should have retired and asked Rex for an assistant DC spot.  

I cant put Kalil on any "suck" list.  His career was over when he signed with the Jets, but he was a really splendid player for many years elsewhere.  He did a favor for the GM, but I guess neither realized that it would turn out so badly.  

Smith was horrific in coverage

 

The real question is why anyone doesn’t think he deserves to be on the list

 

[Philc1]

Btw Tim Tebow deserves to be on that list as “wildcat qb”

[THE BARON]

On 6/11/2020 at 8:27 AM, THE BARON said:

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OK... With the input we have gotten so far, he is the revised list.  We can fine tune this one a bit if needed in order to close the books on the Ultimate Starting Lineup.  Does this not make you feel good about our current stating roster ??? Makes me feel like the 2020 Jets are the dream team. FYI.  For this revised list, I am giving emphasis on length of playing time, order the player was drafted and monies paid out to the player.  There may be players who sucked even worse, but their short tenure of suck-a-tude and lack of ever having aspirations of being a "player" makes them less attractive for this list.  Of course, it may need some fine tuning, but I think we are close... 

Feel free to offer specific objections and suggest a better candidate. If the argument is there, I will revise until we have the ULTIMATE STARTING LINE UP

OFFENSE

1. QB- Bryce Petty

LT- Anthony Clement (also tried RT and was equally as bad)

LG -Adrian Clarke

C - Spencer Long

RG- Vlad Ducasse (also tried RT too and he was equally as bad)

RT: Austin Howard (over all performance even worse than Wayne Hunter play for play. 

TE: Jace Amaro

RB: Roger Vick (there were less skilled, but Vic was a high draft pick, played more than one season and he could not keep the ball off the ground)

FB: Terminator (A Rex emotional reactionary draft pick and a perfect example of why you dont let him shop for the groceries too often)

WR: McDroppins (there were less skilled WR's but McDrop had actual designs on being an actual quality # 2.  Played a long time, collected $$$)

WR: Steven Hill (same as above.... He gets the nod due to high draft, $$$ paid out and time team spent trying to get it to work)

DEFENSE (since there is a 43 and 34 defense, I included 4 D-line guys and 4 LBs

DE-Dorian Boose

DT-Dwayne Roberts

DT- need some input here.  there is no clear answer for me

DE-Quinten Coupels

OLB- Gholston

ILB-Anthonly  Schlagel

ILB-Sam Cowart

OLB-Jamaal Westerman

SS-Erick Smith

FS-Damian Robinson (The Preacher's locker room snitch)

CB - Tony Stargell (claimed he could be the best CB in the league)

CB - Kyle Wilson (very high draft status, big thigs expected, was around for a long time, totally sucked and never got better)

SPECIAL TEAMS

P - Toby Gowin

K- Doug Brien

 

[rangerous]

11 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

Hopefully Luis Aguiar (Iowa St.) wasn’t the worst punter ever. 

I got really drunk one night with him and Marty Lyons at a charity event drinking vodka and lime juice on the rocks. He was a great guy.

i'm sure he was a great guy.  i just can't forget the time he took the snap for a punt and then ran backwards to his end zone.  i think he was trying to run out the clock.  i can't remember if the other team got a safety.  i also don't don't know if it was a designed play or ad lib.

[Bruce Harper]

QB:  Christian Hackenberg

QB:  Neil O'Donnell

RB:  Roger Vick

RB:  Blair Thomas

FB:  B.J. Askew

WR:  Justin McCareins

WR:  Alex Van Dyke

WR:  Lam Jones

WR:  Matthew Hatchette

TE:  Doug Jolley

TE:  Johnny Mitchell

OT:  Austin Howard

OT:  Wayne Hunter

G:  Adrian Clarke

G:  Willie Colon

C :  Spencer Long

 

DEFENSE

DE:  Vernon Gholston

DE:  Quinton Coples

DT:  Chester McGlockton

DT:  Kimo Von Oelhoffen

OLB:  Jachai Polite

OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin

ILB:  Sam Cowart

ILB:  Anthony Schlegel

CB:  Trumaine Johnson

CB:  Aaron Beasley

CB:  Kyle Wilson

CB:  Dee Milliner

FS:  Damien Robinson

SS:  Calvin Pryor

 

SPECIAL TEAMS

K:  Pat Leahy

P:  Toby Gowin

KR:  Bruce Harper

PR:  Leon Johnson

Punt Protection Specialist:  Tim Tebow

Bruce Harper should not be on that list, if I do say so myself.


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[Bruce Harper]

Colon?

Colon was not bad.


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[Bruce Harper]

Here's the "All-Bust" roster:

• QB:  Browning Nagle
• QB:  Christian Hackenberg
• RB:  Roger Vick
• RB:  Blair Thomas
• RB:  Shonn Greene
• FB:  B.J. Askew
• WR:  Lam Jones
• WR:  Alex Van Dyke
• WR:  Ryan Yarborough
• WR:  Reggie Rembert
• WR:  ArDarius Stewart
• TE:  Johnny Mitchell
• TE:  Kyle Brady
• TE:  Jace Amaro
• OT:  John Mooring
• OT:  Doug Williams
• OT:  Gordie Browne
• OT:  Vlad Ducasse
• G:  Dave Cadigan
• G:  David Loverne
• G:  Mike Haight
• C :  Paul Seiler
• DE:  Vernon Gholston
• DE:  Quinton Coples
• DT:  Dewayne Robertson
• DT:  Rick Terry
• NT:  Kenrick Ellis
• DL:  Dorian Boose
• DL:  Coleman Rudolph
• DL:  Ron Faurot
• OLB:  Jachai Polite
• OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin
• ILB:  Darron Lee
• ILB:  Anthony Schlegel
• LB:  Mark Merrill
• LB:  Kurt Barber
• CB:  Kyle Wilson
• CB:  Dee Milliner
• CB:  Derrick Strait
• CB:  Justin Miller
• CB:  Terry Williams
• FS:  Jon McGraw
• SS:  Calvin Pryor
• S:  Scott Frost
• K:  Mike Nugent
• P:  Mike Rice
• KR:  Jo-Jo Townsell
• PR:  Dedric Ward

Shonn Green was a valuable contributor on a pretty good team.


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[THE BARON]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

 

Bruce Harper should not be on that list, if I do say so myself.


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Bruce Harper one of my fav Jets of all time.  I have no idea why you would put him on a list for poorly performing players.  Harper a very good return man, could grab you a 3rd down conversion passes in the clutch, took hand-offs and zipped all over the place. Did it al. He was an exciting player.