Jetscode1 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, T0mShane said: On the other hand, Adams has a negligible impact on the W/L anyway so “helping the team in 2020” shouldn’t be a consideration. We’re going 7-9 with or without his mouth The Jets are better than this even without Adams. I expect a strong playoff push. 10-6 W/L record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Please prove to me that he is a game change because he is not at all. If he was a game changer the jets would not be wallowing with 5,5,7 wins in his three years. If he was true elite and had 5 ints a year to go along with his box play and those turnovers helped us win meaningful games he would be a game changer, but he is not. Not only that but by allowing him to play the way he does we give up a lot, no safety help in coverage on many plays, ilbs covering slot wrs etc. I think most teams in the league know this as well thus we are not going to get the 'great' offer for him in trade, Please prove he's not. The whole argument should be are you better with him or with the return on a trade. The ridiculous back and forth about his play is pure nonsense. Hes one of, if not the best at what he does. On one hand he gets sacks only because GW uses him that way. Then you go 180 and say because hes used that way, as if its on him and hes the one dictating the way he plays. He plays the way he does because GW and the rest think thats the way the D will play its best Hes a really good player. Cant even comment on blaming him for the win totals over the last 3 years. Unless you want to take back all your complaints about Macc, Bowles, etc. He likes to talk, hes acting the baby and the Jets will make a decision on whether hes worth the drama. Pretty simple but again, complaining about his play is such the wrong route here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Please prove he's not. The whole argument should be are you better with him or with the return on a trade. The ridiculous back and forth about his play is pure nonsense. Hes one of, if not the best at what he does. On one hand he gets sacks only because GW uses him that way. Then you go 180 and say because hes used that way, as if its on him and hes the one dictating the way he plays. He plays the way he does because GW and the rest think thats the way the D will play its best Hes a really good player. Cant even comment on blaming him for the win totals over the last 3 years. Unless you want to take back all your complaints about Macc, Bowles, etc. We heard this same nonsense about Muhammad Wilkerson in 2015 Jets fans love to overrate their defensive draft picks the team “hits” on. For some reason the media, which loves to dunk on the jets, also overrates our supposed defensive superstars 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 8 hours ago, ECURB said: Welcome to 2020 put down your newspaper Whoosh. The sound you just heard was the point of my statement flying over your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Whoosh. The sound you just heard was the point of my statement flying over your head Or you putting down your paper... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Philc1 said: We heard this same nonsense about Muhammad Wilkerson in 2015 Jets fans love to overrate their defensive draft picks the team “hits” on. For some reason the media, which loves to dunk on the jets, also overrates our supposed defensive superstars And Wilkerson was really good before he turned into a dog. Thats not the same. Find one person, anywhere who thinks Jamal is overrated by Jets fans. Find one article written complaining about his play and how hes not as good as advertised. You won't find one. So no, its not Mo Wilkerson after the fact. Just like Jets fans and especially the media don't overrate Jets players on either side of the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15 hours ago, New York Mick said: He wants a bigger contract to go with his ego and was told they’d talk to him about it and never did. One phone call could of helped. No, it wouldn't have. Because Douglas and Adams were never going to be anywhere close in terms of his perceived value. Once they started talking actual numbers, this was always going to end up an impasse, with Adams behaving like a child. It just happened earlier than we thought it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15 hours ago, bealeb319 said: I hate drama but the kid is a game changer and the most talented (only proven talented) player on our entire team? If you trade him away you really need to find something valuable in return which I don't think would be easy. He is on track to be a hall of fame player regardless of position you don't trade guys like that away for penuts because they are a headache sometimes. No, not really. A couple Pro Bowls and one 1st Team All-Pro don't mean he's automatically on a HOF track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 hours ago, ECURB said: Or you putting down your paper... ? So I told you your response was totally not addressing anything I said and then you repeat the same thing. Did anyone ever tell you repeating the same thing and expecting a different result was the sign of insanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Jet Nut said: And Wilkerson was really good before he turned into a dog. Thats not the same. Find one person, anywhere who thinks Jamal is overrated by Jets fans. Find one article written complaining about his play and how hes not as good as advertised. You won't find one. So no, its not Mo Wilkerson after the fact. Just like Jets fans and especially the media don't overrate Jets players on either side of the line. Lets not overstate Wilk please. Wilk really had only one really excellent season. He dogged it in multiple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dcat said: Lets not overstate Wilk please. Wilk really had only one really excellent season. He dogged it in multiple seasons. I dont know, I get what you're saying but his 3 seasons before the signing were pretty productive and he was pretty destructive on the DL. He had a 10.5 and a 12 sack season wrapped around a season where he missed time but still got 6 sacks. He wasn't great but he was trying back then and signing him at least was a valid discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Dcat said: Lets not overstate Wilk please. Wilk really had only one really excellent season. He dogged it in multiple seasons. 2 excellent seasons, I would say. Two 10+ sack seasons as a 3-4 DE is pretty damn impressive, regardless of what he became. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 2 excellent seasons, I would say. Two 10+ sack seasons as a 3-4 DE is pretty damn impressive, regardless of what he became. Absolutely. Say what you want about Mo but before the contract stuff happened he was having some real impressive seasons and he was acting like a leader. Yes we all know how he took a complete nosedive after he got that contract but before that he was a leader. That’s why he was the biggest disappointment for me because he started off do strong on and off the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Jet Nut said: And Wilkerson was really good before he turned into a dog. Thats not the same. Find one person, anywhere who thinks Jamal is overrated by Jets fans. Find one article written complaining about his play and how hes not as good as advertised. You won't find one. So no, its not Mo Wilkerson after the fact. Just like Jets fans and especially the media don't overrate Jets players on either side of the line. Wilkerson was actually better than Adams before his extension 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Dcat said: Lets not overstate Wilk please. Wilk really had only one really excellent season. He dogged it in multiple seasons. Wilk was excellent before he decided to check out after getting his extension The only reason he wasn’t all pro was he played the same position as JJ Watt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 2:46 AM, Maxman said: From GreenBean, in April. Very interesting. No. Wish we had Bechton, Lamb, and Mims. Maye and Davis will be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 2:46 AM, Maxman said: From GreenBean, in April. Very interesting. his ego so HUGE I think Jets can win this by holding out and tell him they will use franchise Tag next year and year after. He WONT sit out as he trying to establish a Brand and you have to play to get a Brand. Will he be pissed? Ya, but if Jets start winning, he gets all pro, Jets then pounce and resign him and all forgotten. He knows he HAS to be on TV and field to get what he wants, which appears TV, movies, music career down road. Players all think cause the can play football they're great actors/musicians also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Are you kidding... In these covid 19 times... We are damn lucky to have this kind of sideshow to keep us busy... Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 12:55 PM, Jetscode1 said: The Jets are better than this even without Adams. I expect a strong playoff push. 10-6 W/L record. The time to trade Jamal Adams has passed, as it should have been done during the draft. Any trade now isn’t helping the 2020 Jets. So both parties are stuck with each other for at least another year. Save this conversation till next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Raideraholic said: The time to trade Jamal Adams has passed, as it should have been done during the draft. Any trade now isn’t helping the 2020 Jets. So both parties are stuck with each other for at least another year. Save this conversation till next season We shouldn't trade him at all. With as many Jamal threads on this site the conversation is front and center each and every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The only "drama" at this point is from a fan's perspective. The FO and coaches don't give two craps about all the newspaper articles and instagram posts. Now, things might change if he doesn't show up or does show up and acts like a little bitch, but as long as he goes out on Sundays and gives his all, the FO and coaches won't care about this nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 3:53 PM, New York Mick said: If they would of contact him and worked on a new contract there wouldn’t be any drama. After raising 4 kids you Never give a baby what he cries for. No reward for bad behavior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 3:51 PM, JetsFanShawn said: great is Adams really wroth the new contract . After a question Shawn, comes the question mark, not the period. Periods come after statements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 it's not any bother to anyone but the fans and the talking heads who have nothing else to distract them at the moment. this becomes a problem when training camp starts and adams makes noise about holding out or not reporting. then it starts to become a headache. if he thinks he's worthy of having the "c" on his uniform then he'll report and play. he's a very good player and the jets don't have enough of them. he also deserves to be paid like a top safety. he can only improve his value if he goes to training and not hold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, MaxAF said: After raising 4 kids you Never give a baby what he cries for. No reward for bad behavior. Boy. When did you feed your kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 1:22 PM, SouthernJet said: his ego so HUGE I think Jets can win this by holding out and tell him they will use franchise Tag next year and year after. He WONT sit out as he trying to establish a Brand and you have to play to get a Brand. Will he be pissed? Ya, but if Jets start winning, he gets all pro, Jets then pounce and resign him and all forgotten. He knows he HAS to be on TV and field to get what he wants, which appears TV, movies, music career down road. Players all think cause the can play football they're great actors/musicians also They can't use the franchise tag next year. They already exercised the 5th year option for 2021. They can franchise him in 2022 and 2023 if they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 8:11 AM, Raideraholic said: The time to trade Jamal Adams has passed, as it should have been done during the draft. Any trade now isn’t helping the 2020 Jets. So both parties are stuck with each other for at least another year. Save this conversation till next season I agree in part. I think you hold on to him until a team that thinks they are close blinks and makes a move before the trade deadline. The reason no deal got done during the draft is because the Cowboys could look at the draft and see what they could get (Lamb). During the season, when they think they are in the hunt, they are more likely to make a move thinking they will be giving up 32 overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, rangerous said: it's not any bother to anyone but the fans and the talking heads who have nothing else to distract them at the moment. this becomes a problem when training camp starts and adams makes noise about holding out or not reporting. then it starts to become a headache. if he thinks he's worthy of having the "c" on his uniform then he'll report and play. he's a very good player and the jets don't have enough of them. he also deserves to be paid like a top safety. he can only improve his value if he goes to training and not hold out. if only he'd be willing to accept a top safety amount, which would be over $15. No where near the vicinity of $20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 4:18 PM, Jetsfan80 said: 1) Had Douglas actually sat down for negotiations, it would have gone something like this: Adams demands somehere in the neighborhood of $20M per. Douglas responds that he sees Adams' value at something in the neighborhood of $15M per. I.E., top Safety money but not top defensive player of the year money. Adams feels insulted. Adams demands a trade. more likely there were no negotiations this whole thing started because the Jets said they would renegotiate after the season and went back on this promise meanwhile the rest of the team is on 1 year deals Manish wrote an article that the Johnsons told JD to hold back on spend this season and everyone blamed Manish my Grandpa RIP had a saying "money talks and BS walks" the Jets are 25 million under the cap there was no spend this offseason and they are engaged in a PR war against their best player, who wants to be paid market value the cap by the way goes up every year, even with Covid. There will be a loss of ticket sales but many other teams have signed their stars long term to build a program the Jets are acting like they don't really have a plan beyond fill out a roster and show up to the games. Is anyone going to get an extension? Will Sam Darnold? Because that will cost 100 million dollars. And QB1 has been uneven to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, bitonti said: more likely there were no negotiations this whole thing started because the Jets said they would renegotiate after the season and went back on this promise meanwhile the rest of the team is on 1 year deals Manish wrote an article that the Johnsons told JD to hold back on spend this season and everyone blamed Manish my Grandpa RIP had a saying "money talks and BS walks" the Jets are 25 million under the cap and engaged in a PR war against their best player. Oh stop it. Everybody was signing 1 year deals this offseason. No one has a clue what the 2021 cap is going to look like. We get it. The Johnson's suck and are cheap. That doesn't make Jamal Adams right in all of this or worthy of getting his rookie deal torn up with 2 years left. Exactly ONE 2017 1st round pick across the league has gotten a new deal. One. I guess the other 30 NFL teams are just as cheap as the Johnson's, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 We all dislike the Johnsons but they arent the reason Jamal is acting like a whiny bitch. Unfortunately that’s simply who he is. He doesnt care about the actual team never has, he has always separated himself from the team especially when we lose. News flash Jamal when the Jets lose YOU lose too. Like I said I hate our owners and I never wanted Gase here but blaming them for Adams acting like a baby is such a cop out and is ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 7:34 AM, More Cowbell said: So I told you your response was totally not addressing anything I said and then you repeat the same thing. Did anyone ever tell you repeating the same thing and expecting a different result was the sign of insanity Sort of what you just did... ??♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Dcat said: if only he'd be willing to accept a top safety amount, which would be over $15. No where near the vicinity of $20. totally agree. that's what this is all about. it has been implied that adams thinks he should be paid the same as the top edge rushers or even qb's but has any talking head ever asked him why he should be paid way more than than any other top safety? i suspect adams does know how much the top safeties get paid. i find it hard to believe he is that unrealistic as to what his position is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, rangerous said: totally agree. that's what this is all about. it has been implied that adams thinks he should be paid the same as the top edge rushers or even qb's but has any talking head ever asked him why he should be paid way more than than any other top safety? i suspect adams does know how much the top safeties get paid. i find it hard to believe he is that unrealistic as to what his position is worth. You've never had a narcissistic personality completely interfere with your life, it seems. Ask anyone who has what they see in Jamal Adams. Serious. I would place a very large bet that Jamal is completely whacked when it comes to his self-perceived contractual value. It's only about jamal. The position he plays has no relevance at all. It's what he is worth (in his mind) without regard to any contradictory surrounding context or facts. In other words, he is bat-sht crazy and it might be good to be rid of him sooner than later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dcat said: You've never had a narcissistic personality completely interfere with your life, it seems. Ask anyone who has what they see in Jamal Adams. Serious. I would place a very large bet that Jamal is completely whacked when it comes to his self-perceived contractual value. It's only about jamal. The position he plays has no relevance at all. It's what he is worth (in his mind) without regard to any contradictory surrounding context or facts. In other words, he is bat-sht crazy and it might be good to be rid of him sooner than later. well, yes i have. i have children. adams is probably more fixated on leaving the jets at the moment. he's not going to get 20 million from the cowgirls or any other team. he knows this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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