Why did Douglas state he was going to begin contract talks with Jamal?

[Rhg1084]

Early in the offseason Douglas publicly stated he was going to begin contract talks with Jamal. Then he completely went radio silent on the subject? I’m not trying to excuse Jamals diva behavior as of late. Just thought it was weird JD would make that proclamation then do nothing about it thus infuriating Jamal

[k-met57]

radio silent according to Jamal? if the FO indulges the diva player who tries to negotiate through twitter and IG  they get killed, if they take the high road and deal with things in-house...they get killed. cant win.

besides for all that....did you miss the fact that the world is in the middle of a pandemic? we may not have football in September, the financial side of the NFL may look completely different then its ever looked.

It's beyond me how "we need more dogs Adams" is out there protesting BLM and talking about inequality in one breathe, and posting pics with his bentleys, and bitching about not getting a new deal 2 years early in another.

but to go back to my original point.....i wouldnt put too much stock into what mr entitled jamal adams says.

[Rhg1084]

3 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

radio silent according to Jamal? if the FO indulges the diva player who tries to negotiate through twitter and IG  they get killed, if they take the high road and deal with things in-house...they get killed. cant win.

besides for all that....did you miss the fact that the world is in the middle of a pandemic? we may not have football in September, the financial side of the NFL may look completely different then its ever looked.

It's beyond me how "we need more dogs Adams" is out there protesting BLM and talking about inequality in one breathe, and posting pics with his bentleys, and bitching about not getting a new deal 2 years early in another.

but to go back to my original point.....i wouldnt put too much stock into what mr entitled jamal adams says.

The pandemic excuse is a joke. NFL went through free agency and the draft handing out contracts left and right. So I don’t buy into the “we’re in a a pandemic we can’t give out a contract”. The point I’m making is Douglas came out and said “we want Jamal to be a Jet for life we will begin contract negotiations.” Then he never did anything. That’s what I don’t understand 

[Rhg1084]

[JoJoTownsell1]

22 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Early in the offseason Douglas publicly stated he was going to begin contract talks with Jamal. Then he completely went radio silent on the subject? I’m not trying to excuse Jamals diva behavior as of late. Just thought it was weird JD would make that proclamation then do nothing about it thus infuriating Jamal

All I remember is that Douglas said he wanted to make Adams a Jet for life. I don't recall Douglas saying that he would  begin contract talks by date XX/XX/XXXX. 

Douglas could also be the kind of guy that doesn't like to be pressured into contract talks so the more Adams talks the less likely Douglas is to start negotiating especially when the Jets have all the leverage the next couple of years. 

[Jets723]

I don’t trust whatever Adams says.  I’m sure Douglas has talked to him but there is no need for everybody to know about it.  Douglas seems like a guy who likes to keep stuff in house.  Adams just likes to bitch and he also feels he is entitled to monster money.  I’ve come to the conclusion that no matter what you do you can’t keep this kid happy 

[slats]

Douglas' best stance in the Jamal situation is to continue to say he wants Jamal to be a Jet for life. Nothing to see here. 

I imagine the "radio silence," really took hold after Jamal poo-poo'd the idea of just getting paid like a top end SS. 

[Scott Dierking]

9 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

The pandemic excuse is a joke. NFL went through free agency and the draft handing out contracts left and right. So I don’t buy into the “we’re in a a pandemic we can’t give out a contract”. The point I’m making is Douglas came out and said “we want Jamal to be a Jet for life we will begin contract negotiations.” Then he never did anything. That’s what I don’t understand 

But, the pandemic certainly affects business decisions.

Reality here, football is a business and unknown revenue streams have bearing upon what you spend. 

[GQMartin]

12 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

There's no time frames mentioned. 

It's possible Joe had the intention of offering an extension after 2 years.  Maybe in the preliminary discussions Joe showed what that may look like on paper to pacify Adams and maybe that approach backfired and did the opposite.

[JustInFudge]

Ok, I thought I wasnt making this up but I couldnt find the Douglas quotes...

still, it all changes when Jamal says he's willing to go to certain teams without the extension.  I had his back till then.

[Rhg1084]

2 minutes ago, GQMartin said:

There's no time frames mentioned. 

It's possible Joe had the intention of offering an extension after 2 years.  Maybe in the preliminary discussions Joe showed what that may look like on paper to pacify Adams and maybe that approach backfired and did the opposite.

I think the fact that Douglas publicly came out and stated this and then did nothing sent Jamal off the deep end

[Jets723]

For god sakes we still have 3years Of control over him if we franchise him.  Not sure Why he needs it right this very instant.  He is acting a baby crying over wanting candy lol.  Plus those rumors of him wanting 20 million per year I think are accurate knowing Jamal and his antics.  

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

I think the fact that Douglas publicly came out and stated this and then did nothing sent Jamal off the deep end

I doubt it.  Jamal was already going off the deep end long before that 

[slats]

Just now, Rhg1084 said:

I think the fact that Douglas publicly came out and stated this and then did nothing sent Jamal off the deep end

Even if that were the case, it just means that Jamal was too close to the deep end to begin with. He's looking for special treatment, and behaving like the Jets are being unfair to him. 

No way the Jets should do a deal two years early with a ****ing strong safety unless that player is willing to take a home town discount in exchange for long term security. That's how that works. No, Jamal Adams not only wants to be paid at least a year early, but he wants a record and precedent setting deal for a SS. 

He can pound rocks and pout. 

[Rhg1084]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

For god sakes we still have 3years Of control over him if we franchise him.  Not sure Why he needs it right this very instant.  He is acting a baby crying over wanting candy lol.  Plus those rumors of him wanting 20 million per year I think are accurate knowing Jamal and his antics.  

Yes we all know how much control the Jets have over him. My question is why did Douglas come out and state the would begin contract negotiations and then do nothing? 

[GQMartin]

 

5 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

I think the fact that Douglas publicly came out and stated this and then did nothing sent Jamal off the deep end

You are probably right and unfortunately you have to chalk it up to a first time GM.

Though, I'm not sure we will ever get Douglas' account of the discussions at this point.

For the record: I wouldn't extend anyone with the NFL season in jeopardy.  

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

Yes we all know how much control the Jets have over him. My question is why did Douglas come out and state the would begin contract negotiations and then do nothing? 

No.  I’m sure Douglas did talk him. Jamal has been acting like a crazy y person for over a year now.  I’m not gonna blame Douglas for that.  His hissy fit in October Was long before Douglas said anything 

[slats]

Just now, Rhg1084 said:

Yes we all know how much control the Jets have over him. My question is why did Douglas come out and state the would begin contract negotiations and then do nothing? 

The article you posted only says that JD wanted Adams to be a Jet for life (the kind of thing that organizations say about their star players), and that there were, "some preliminary discussions," about a new contract. Why assume that Douglas did nothing here? I suspect he saw how far apart the two sides were, and then stepped away. As he should've. 

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, slats said:

The article you posted only says that JD wanted Adams to be a Jet for life (the kind of thing that organizations say about their star players), and that there were, "some preliminary discussions," about a new contract. Why assume that Douglas did nothing here? I suspect he saw how far apart the two sides were, and then stepped away. As he should've. 

This 

[EM31]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

Even if that were the case, it just means that Jamal was too close to the deep end to begin with. He's looking for special treatment, and behaving like the Jets are being unfair to him. 

No way the Jets should do a deal two years early with a ****ing strong safety unless that player is willing to take a home town discount in exchange for long term security. That's how that works. No, Jamal Adams not only wants to be paid at least a year early, but he wants a record and precedent setting deal for a SS. 

He can pound rocks and pout. 

While lowering his market value as a result.

This "act" is very unlikely to attract new potential buyers and is almost certain to cause some others to take a pass or lowball any offer.

Smart work Mr. Adams.

[EM31]

Williams should convert him to Linebacker and let him test his market value at that position.

[slats]

4 minutes ago, EM31 said:

While lowering his market value as a result.

This "act" is very unlikely to attract new potential buyers and is almost certain to cause some others to take a pass or lowball any offer.

Smart work Mr. Adams.

It's been one day. But if Adams persists and/or escalates his trade demands, he's only hurting his own brand. He's just not good enough, or important enough, to hold the team hostage. The Jets could open the season without him, and the defense will be fine. If he wants to hold out, drown himself in fines, and watch Ashtyn Davis intercept passes, he can do that. 

[Beerfish]

Douglas does deserve some blame for this as does the CEO.

[ZachEY]

36 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Nothing in this states, or alludes to, Joe Douglas promising Jamal a new contract this offseason.

"Jet for Life" - He still has 2 years on his deal, and the ability to be franchised at least twice.  There is the absolute ability to make him a "Jet for Life," 3 years from now.

"Some preliminary discussions" - This could be as simple as reaching out to Jamal's people and seeing what they'd be looking for in a long term deal today.  It's absolutely wise to see if he's willing to take a meaningful discount in order to accelerate new money and a new signing bonus, but if he's not, well, see "Jet for Life" above, and no reason to give up those years of control, and as such, the "preliminary discussions" have ended.

So, as demonstrated, there's absolutely no promise in the above that a new deal would be worked towards this offseason.

[Skeet Ulrich]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Douglas does deserve some blame for this as does the CEO.

This whole situation was handled poorly by all parties.

 

[Jets723]

Just now, TeddEY said:

Nothing in this states, or alludes to, Joe Douglas promising Jamal a new contract this offseason.

"Jet for Life" - He still has 2 years on his deal, and the ability to be franchised at least twice.  There is the absolute ability to make him a "Jet for Life," 3 years from now.

"Some preliminary discussions" - This could be as simple as reaching out to Jamal's people and seeing what they'd be looking for in a long term deal today.  It's absolutely wise to see if he's willing to take a meaningful discount in order to accelerate new money and a new signing bonus, but if he's not, well, see "Jet for Life" above, and no reason to give up those years of control, and as such, the "preliminary discussions" have ended.

So, as demonstrated, there's absolutely no promise in the above that a new deal would be worked towards this offseason.

Exactly.  There were no promises.  Whether Jamal misinterpreted it or what the fact is Douglas never made any promises to him 

[EM31]

8 minutes ago, slats said:

It's been one day. But if Adams persists and/or escalates his trade demands, he's only hurting his own brand. He's just not good enough, or important enough, to hold the team hostage. The Jets could open the season without him, and the defense will be fine. If he wants to hold out, drown himself in fines, and watch Ashtyn Davis intercept passes, he can do that. 

I would seriously consider playing him at Linebacker or letting him sit or hold out if he feels that is insulting.  All the wile leaving it perfectly clear that his actions and level of play today are his audition for the next GM ans the size of his next contract.

If I am a GM for another team how can I make any kind of offer for this guy at this point?  What kind of a nightmare would I be getting myself/my team into?

[ZachEY]

Just now, Jets723 said:

Exactly.  There were no promises.  Whether Jamal misinterpreted it or what the fact is Douglas never made any promises to him 

Well, look... In fairness, we don't know what Douglas said to Jamal behind closed doors.  We just know that the only evidence we have of conversations does not speak to any kind of promise being made.

[Jets723]

Just now, TeddEY said:

Well, look... In fairness, we don't know what Douglas said to Jamal behind closed doors.  We just know that the only evidence we have of conversations does not speak to any kind of promise being made.

True.  Although I trust Douglas a hell of a lot more than Jamal.  Also it’s possible after seeing Adams babyish behavior Douglas might have had second thoughts.  But publicly he never made any promises to him.  He might have said “Hey Jamal let’s wait until next year to get this done because we still have you under control for a while”.  But it’s obvious Jamal wants huge money ‘this very instant.  It’s also. Scone clear you can’t make this kid happy no matter what you do 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

I would seriously consider playing him at Linebacker or letting him sit or hold out if he feels that is insulting.  All the wile leaving it perfectly clear that his actions and level of play today are his audition for the next GM ans the size of his next contract.

If I am a GM for another team how can I make any kind of offer for this guy at this point?  What kind of a nightmare would I be getting myself/my team into?

I'd never consider this. The franchise number this year for a LB is $15.8M, while it's $11.4 for a safety. Why give Jamal a free $4.4M on the tag if that's what it comes to? 

Jamal has sent out the list of teams he wants to play for, including teams he wouldn't need an extension from immediately. If any of them are interested, they probably have less of a concern about Adams than the Jets need to. The inference is that he'd be a good soldier for them. Hopefully someone bites down hard. 

[TuscanyTile2]

There has to be a Douglas Adams joke in here somewhere.

[Embrace the Suck]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

Early in the offseason Douglas publicly stated he was going to begin contract talks with Jamal. Then he completely went radio silent on the subject? I’m not trying to excuse Jamals diva behavior as of late. Just thought it was weird JD would make that proclamation then do nothing about it thus infuriating Jamal

Teams will initially low ball the Jets if they feel the Jets are desperate to trade him. So JD said that we want to hold onto you while looking at trade offers behind the scene.

[GaryM]

14 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Yes we all know how much control the Jets have over him. My question is why did Douglas come out and state the would begin contract negotiations and then do nothing? 

How do you know what JD did or did not do? I am sure he works on his own timetable. If Adams had waited he might have found out. There was no date mentioned in your article. The bottom line is that Adams does not want to play for the Jets, as shown by him saying he would go to another team without an extension. You Jamal lovers trying to blame other people for his actions is ludicrous. What do you want JD to do...throw the bank at Jamal, a box safety, and give him what he wants to appease him at the expense of the team? If he would have taken a fair and equitable deal, I would be all for it, however we all know the answer to that. He is a narcissistic spoiled person who needs to be traded to a bad team in the NFC, if we can find anyone foolish enough to take him.

[Patriot Killa]

59 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

The pandemic excuse is a joke. NFL went through free agency and the draft handing out contracts left and right. So I don’t buy into the “we’re in a a pandemic we can’t give out a contract”. The point I’m making is Douglas came out and said “we want Jamal to be a Jet for life we will begin contract negotiations.” Then he never did anything. That’s what I don’t understand 

This is what you aren’t understanding. GM’s have no idea what the 2021 cap will look like. It could drop as much as 50%. No GM wants to hand out a contract without knowing what the 2021 cap will look like. GM’s used the 2020 cap space to go through free agency. Toying with 2021 money is an entire different story.

[viffer]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

The pandemic excuse is a joke.

Salary cap is tied to revenues. If the total revenues for the NFL are down 30% - 40% this year, the salary cap will be way, way down next year. That is not a joke. That is reality.

Paying a frickin' safety a new contract when he is under contract for 2-3 years yet when the cap for next year could be a disaster is just plain stupid.