Philc1 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Mogglez said: Mayfield...and I was a Baker guy when he came out of Oklahoma. In his defense, the national media kinda cooled down on him after last year's showing. Now there's a ton of pressure on him to show everyone that his rookie year was no fluke. If the problem really was Freddie Kitchens, there are absolutely no excuses for him this year, especially with the team that has been built around him. You’re right. Part of it is not Baker’s fault the media anointed him a hall of famer after one season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Was Baker but his stock has plummeted. Stafford is the perennial. I'd say Prescott. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I’d probably go with DeShaun Watson. I think he’s a good QB (top 10-12 for sure), but some folks have him among the games top 3-5 which I don’t see. He takes way too many sacks for my liking. Carson Wentz is another guy I think is overrated. He hasn’t come close to replicating his breakout 2017 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Matt Ryan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I forgot to add Kyler Murray. The media is ready to put him the hall of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 3:21 PM, predator_05 said: Normally i'd pick brady, but i'll go with Drew brees. Beats up on crappy teams during the regular season and consistently loses to underdogs at home during the playoffs. The last 2 big playoff losses - against the rams and the vikings - were awful. Overall, he's lost to some really, really bad QBs: - Rex Grossman - Matt Hasselbeck - Alex Smith - Case Keenum - Jared Goff - Kirk Cousins That's quite a list. Most of those guys couldn't tie Drew brees' shoelaces on a regular week, yet they've won against his team Cousins, goff, and alex smith are not really bad qbs. They are great but they arent terrible. Goof maybe you can argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Tom Brady 100% 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yeah Drew Brees allowing a last second 1 in 1000 hail mary long td vs the vikes and then having the most blatant pi call of all time ignored vs the rams was totally his fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 It’s been Matt Ryan for an entire decade, but the Brady-Bucs love is ridiculous right now. Brady is a superb precision/quick shoot/dink and dunk QB who historically has struggled with the deep ball, going into a downfield passing scheme with downfield threats. Also, he’s like 110 years old and was barely above replacement level last year, and the HGH has to start wearing down at some point. He’s definitely the most overrated going into 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 11:16 AM, y2k8 said: I also would have included Russell Wilson. Wilson has been criminally underrated for most of his career. I actually think people are finally starting to rate him appropriately over the last year or so as one of the best 3 QBs in the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 3:21 PM, predator_05 said: Normally i'd pick brady, but i'll go with Drew brees. Beats up on crappy teams during the regular season and consistently loses to underdogs at home during the playoffs. The last 2 big playoff losses - against the rams and the vikings - were awful. Of all the choices up there Drew Brees would be the last one I'd pick. He's won a Super Bowl. The last 2 years the refs screwed them royal otherwise they would have been in 2 more Super Bowls. So many more worthy candidates like Baker who hasn't EVER done diddly squat. Same with Prescott who has a great , talented team around him yet wants a kazillion dollars a year and has done zilch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Yeah Drew Brees allowing a last second 1 in 1000 hail mary long td vs the vikes and then having the most blatant pi call of all time ignored vs the rams was totally his fault. What was he doing before those plays happened? 1 hour ago, Thai Jet said: Of all the choices up there Drew Brees would be the last one I'd pick. He's won a Super Bowl. The last 2 years the refs screwed them royal otherwise they would have been in 2 more Super Bowls. So many more worthy candidates like Baker who hasn't EVER done diddly squat. Same with Prescott who has a great , talented team around him yet wants a kazillion dollars a year and has done zilch. Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Fact is, brees has underperformed massively in the playoffs. Which is why he's overrated. Great QB, a legend, but overrated all the same. Baker and prescott aren't really 'rated' that highly to begin with, are they? Baker's barely had a career in the NFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Baker and Jamal are neck and neck for most overrated here. I think if Jamal wasn't asking to be traded that Baker would be running away with this AwArD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, predator_05 said: What was he doing before those plays happened? Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Fact is, brees has underperformed massively in the playoffs. Which is why he's overrated. Great QB, a legend, but overrated all the same. Baker and prescott aren't really 'rated' that highly to begin with, are they? Baker's barely had a career in the NFL. - Getting his team the lead. - Driving his team down for the winning points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Beerfish said: - Getting his team the lead. - Driving his team down for the winning points. - A small lead after several failed drives. - Points that weren't enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayBen Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Very tough between Dak and Baker, went with Dak. I think he is grossly overpaid. Guess time will tell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, predator_05 said: What was he doing before those plays happened? Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Fact is, brees has underperformed massively in the playoffs. Which is why he's overrated. Great QB, a legend, but overrated all the same. Baker and prescott aren't really 'rated' that highly to begin with, are they? Baker's barely had a career in the NFL. IMHO ONLY, your so TOTALLY off base with Brees. I noticed that Brees wasn't even on the list FOR A REASON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: - Getting his team the lead. - Driving his team down for the winning points. Apparently none of that counts. Good grief what is the thought process ? Is there even any? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, predator_05 said: - A small lead after several failed drives. - Points that weren't enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 3:32 AM, GreekJet said: I’d probably go with DeShaun Watson. I think he’s a good QB (top 10-12 for sure), but some folks have him among the games top 3-5 which I don’t see. He takes way too many sacks for my liking. Carson Wentz is another guy I think is overrated. He hasn’t come close to replicating his breakout 2017 season. It's amazing how QBs are always overrated when they have to play with subpar Olines. Wentz? Look at that f*cking Oline when it was healthy! Dak? One of the best Olines in the league! Brady? League protected him by never calling holding for the last 15 years. There is no way Russell Wilson is overrated, you could say Sam Darnold is underrated based on his weapons & Oline, Wilson is magical behind a bunch of turnstiles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 11:25 AM, predator_05 said: What was he doing before those plays happened? Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Fact is, brees has underperformed massively in the playoffs. Which is why he's overrated. Great QB, a legend, but overrated all the same. Baker and prescott aren't really 'rated' that highly to begin with, are they? Baker's barely had a career in the NFL. Jimmy Graham literally fell of the stat sheet after leaving Breeze. Not sure it means anything but it sticks out to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Jimmy Graham literally fell of the stat sheet after leaving Breeze. Not sure it means anything but it sticks out to me. They traded him for a lineman, if i remember correctly. He had one good year with the seahawks, but longevity was always an issue. Saints got it absolutely right with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Philc1 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 1:36 PM, Jethead said: Was Baker but his stock has plummeted. Stafford is the perennial. I'd say Prescott. Has Stafford ever won a playoff game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Jetster said: It's amazing how QBs are always overrated when they have to play with subpar Olines. Wentz? Look at that f*cking Oline when it was healthy! Dak? One of the best Olines in the league! Brady? League protected him by never calling holding for the last 15 years. There is no way Russell Wilson is overrated, you could say Sam Darnold is underrated based on his weapons & Oline, Wilson is magical behind a bunch of turnstiles. The people still trying to argue Russell Wilson is overrated sound dumber every year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 3:32 AM, GreekJet said: I’d probably go with DeShaun Watson. I think he’s a good QB (top 10-12 for sure), but some folks have him among the games top 3-5 which I don’t see. He takes way too many sacks for my liking. Carson Wentz is another guy I think is overrated. He hasn’t come close to replicating his breakout 2017 season. Watson - lets see how he does without Hopkins Wentz - not overrated but he’s becoming the new Pennington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 3:32 AM, GreekJet said: I’d probably go with DeShaun Watson. I think he’s a good QB (top 10-12 for sure), but some folks have him among the games top 3-5 which I don’t see. He takes way too many sacks for my liking. Carson Wentz is another guy I think is overrated. He hasn’t come close to replicating his breakout 2017 season. You’re crazy Deshaun Watson is a top five Qb without a doubt. The Jets could get D Watson for Sam Darnold . They make that move in a heartbeat . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 5:44 AM, Beerfish said: Yeah Drew Brees allowing a last second 1 in 1000 hail mary long td vs the vikes and then having the most blatant pi call of all time ignored vs the rams was totally his fault. You know in real time the famous pass interference did not look that bad or interference at all from the angle the referre had and the initial TV angle. Obviously it was interference but It was only bad on replay really, and we all know how interference review worked in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: You know in real time the famous pass interference did not look that bad or interference at all from the angle the referre had and the initial TV angle. Obviously it was interference but It was only bad on replay really, and we all know how interference review worked in the NFL. It was not even in the realm of close at all from any angle. It did not look that bad, good lord. As for instant replay, that failed for one reason. The league put the replay in and then proceeded to ignore all calls for some bizarre reason. But then again this is the NFL that virtually never gets anything in regard to rules right. A chimp could do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Philc1 said: The people still trying to argue Russell Wilson is overrated sound dumber every year Guys a freaking stud and the one time this organization doesn't listen to Bradway we miss out on him. Wilson can carry that team on his back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 11:25 AM, predator_05 said: What was he doing before those plays happened? Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Fact is, brees has underperformed massively in the playoffs. Which is why he's overrated. Great QB, a legend, but overrated all the same. Baker and prescott aren't really 'rated' that highly to begin with, are they? Baker's barely had a career in the NFL. Playing just like the HOF QB that he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:51 PM, Dunnie said: Compared to Sam .. Ryan is the best QB ever to put on pads ... Just sayin'. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Comparing Ryan to a 2 year QB, a 22 year old is pure trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:51 PM, Dunnie said: Compared to Sam .. Ryan is the best QB ever to put on pads ... Just sayin'. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Comparing Ryan to a 2 year QB, a 22 year old makes no sense Plus Sam has no place in this thread. You are dead sent on being a troll I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:51 PM, Dunnie said: Compared to Sam .. Ryan is the best QB ever to put on pads ... Just sayin'. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Comparing Ryan to a 2 year QB, a 22 year old makes no sense Plus Sam has no place in this thread. You are dead sent on being a troll I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:51 PM, Dunnie said: Compared to Sam .. Ryan is the best QB ever to put on pads ... Just sayin'. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Comparing Ryan to a 2 year QB, a 22 year old makes no sense Plus Sam has no place in this thread. You are dead sent on being a troll I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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