Jump to content
GreekJet

Will Snyder change the name?

Recommended Posts

30 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I guess this is the part I explain we don’t allow politics, someone post in before the lock, someone post politics and then the thread is locked. 

I’d argue that a team name that happens to be a racial slur is not inherently politics. I agree, however that some people will use this as a platform for their political agendas. As such, we need to throw poopies at them.  

  • Upvote 2
  • Thumb Down 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Matt39 said:

I desk in user/customer research. Do you know how easy it is to build bias into a poll? Almost as easy as finding confirmation of your bias in the internet.

That said, I’m sure some generations of Native Americans don’t care. My grandfather did. That’s enough for me.

  • Upvote 3
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Gastineau Lives said:

It's not a slur. No one would name their team the sh*tty sh*tbags.

This is a good argument. I’ve completely changed my position.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Yours is just as derpy but much more elaborate. 

This is the angle I’d take in your position. 🤣

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

How about The Washington Pink Butts, or will the baboons be offended?

@Integrity28

We, the majestic apes, have looked down upon the baboon and their orange-haired lineage for eons. Who cares if they’re offended, so long as our sport all team tee shirts go unchanged!

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

That’s why I asked. And it’s actually very unfortunate that the American media cannot be trusted no matter what your beliefs. But that brings us to a harder to answer question, if people can find offense in something that’s not meant to be offensive are we to be offended ?

I mean really if you try hard enough you can find almost anything offensive that has some type of cultural appeal 

I know. I agree. 🤷‍♂️

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Are you saying that someone would name their team something that was meant to portray weakness, cowardice, frailty?

I’m saying if I were playing troll in the thread, with the material you are using, that I’d falsely equivocate actual points with my derpy comments. The way you just did.

Its the only play you can make here. God speed. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lurker89 said:

Meanwhile you downvote a Westside Story joke from me, a guy who is half Puerto Rican half Irish.  

So wrapped up in your outrage you've lost all sense of humor.

A downvote from you is an upvote in my book. 

You my good sir can EAD.

His downvote is irrelevant to the point he’s making. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

The Poo Fingers

Flingers, pal. Flingers.

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I dont agree with you, and cant dispute what you said. You a troll!

Um, I did dispute what you said. You called it derpy... this is a literal description of what you just did.

baby mirror GIF

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

You cant even respond to my point or answer my question. 

Btw being on the other side of an argument from you sucks lol

You have the response you’re looking for. Read my posts. It was your decision to render it derpy. 

My grandfather, a Native American and WWII veteran that served with the Windtalkers (or whatever it was really called, at this point in life I get 3rd hand stories), found it unnecessary. I liked the skins in the Doug Williams SB, and remember as a kid talking to him about pride and name calling. I defer to him. He wasnt a sensitive type. 

As a white guy, I have no say. I cannot relate to being deemed second class and having white people care more about symbols than the fact that they remind me of my second class position. My rule of thumb is to ignore the polarized bickering about outrage and outrage about outrage, and I just defer to valuing everyday people over corporate entities. Brands can be reimagined, and profit is going to be inevitable in the right industry. 

Our society needs to find its way back to courtesy and respect, and putting people over corporations is part of that. In my opinion.

 

  • Upvote 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

He actually got me so mad for a second my head vibrated.

I’m not even applying myself yet. Honestly, it’s not an issue that needs to be resolved between you and I. 

Even if I agreed with you, I’d be willing to change it out of good will. I guess to me, community is more valuable that righteous indignation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Lurker89 said:

Changing the Redskins name is a non issue for me it's up to their fans to boycott the team and hurt their bottom line enough to affect change. Change the name or don't change the name not my team don't care, I have no horse in the race. However, don't think you can compel me to care about his or your "feelings."

You're feelings don't entitle you to police what everyone else thinks, says, or finds humourous. You're preoccupation with feelings does make you literally no fun though. If you guys want to have a circle **** over your outrage due to hurt feelings be my guest but don't expect me to feel compelled to whip it out and join you. 

Richard Pryor and George Carlin both very funny both very "offensive." They were insensitive and  lacked empathy for those who were the butt of their jokes at times, but they were jokes. Like them or not they were pioneers in humor. If you don't like their comedy don't engage with it.

If you don't like the Redskins name use your dollar vote and boycott them. If a majority of people who buy their product feel the same way and join you in hurting their wallet they change the name or perish. 

Do I strike you as full of outrage? Or emotional? I’ve made very pragmatic arguments here. I feel like you’re just giving me a blanket statement “i hate snowflakes, but I’m a snowflake” lecture.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Lurker89 said:

This has become quite the fun little board battleground this morning.

robert duvall i love the smell of napalm in the morning GIF by The Good Films

I hope nobody is taking my points as battle. I’m simply sharing a perspective. I’m not asking anyone to change theirs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I was under the impression they didnt really give a sh*t, that combined with my point about wanting to name a team something awesome and strong was where I was coming from.

I'm also lumping this in with the insanity thats been happening lately. I see an Orwellian dystopia on the horizon, but perhaps I shouldnt and just compartmentalize.

Learning to compartmentalizations is essential right now. I get your perspective and clearly see where you’re lumping it together. I think this case is different than say, Starbucks coffee cups... or mask wearing. I think those are right/left tantrums. I think the skins is a very under-represented minority group being ignored.

I am a problem solver by nature and career. As such, empathy is baked into my everything. If 1 person in a room of 30 is hurt. I’ve gotta ask, “what can we go to fix it?” I don’t expect everyone to agree, but I think sharing the perspective helps people. We all default to anger, which is the bigger issue we face. Makes it impossible to discern the right problems to solve.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

It's always interesting to me how many people feel a desperate and overwhelming need to defend things like the Redskins name, Confederate Statues, and policies of discrimination, because of something something "history and heritage", especially when any change would have no effect whatsoever on them. 

It says something that some folks feel so personally attacked when people attack racism in general....:-k

Sadly, this seems a universal human trait, as in my experience the worst offenders of stridently defending the obviously race-based and racist Washington team name are African American DC residents.  The very same people loudly proclaiming Black Lives Matter and fighting systemic racism (rightfully so) seem completely oblivious to the Red lives that in most ways have been treated worse than they have.  You would think if anyone could understand systemic racism against Native Americans, and help fight against it, it would be African Americans.  But nope, in my experience they're the folks most defending the team name.  

Kinda like the biggest "Merica' F' Yeah! Patriotism! Check out my Flag!" people are the most strident defenders of statues of traitorous rebels who fought a war against the United States.  Again, same issues at play.

Or rampant supporting racism. 

Listening to radio the other day. There are some BLM groups that are finding ways to bring other groups into the food, specifically Native Americans, because BLM has so much volume right now. The idea is to use their voice to amplify more than black causes. I felt good about the interview I heard. Can not recall station. It was sports and the topic was the skins though.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I consider myself lucky. The most offensive thing I face is when Gen X is completely ignored in polling across generations.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lurker89 said:

Hey hey hey don't put the "H" word in my mouth. 😂

You jumped in to defend @Arsis who snowflaked all over my Westside Story joke.... So you expect not get lumped in with him?

Like I said and I'm tired of it actually being a point but I'm Puerto Rican I can make a Westside Story joke.

Humor is humor, I made the joke hoping someone snowflake all over it.

Mostly because I'm a troll who likes to prod people into extended confrontation for my own amusement. 

But I'm also a mixed race guy who gets along with people on all sides all over the spectrum. I find it unfortunate that you have to qualify some statements with "as a white guy" just as I find it unfortunate that having Puerto Rican heritage gives my points some sort of social equity. I think we should all be on equal footing in our interpersonal interactions, apparently that is a passe stance in today's world.

You’re off-track. Put me in ignore.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Snyder wanted to be a real prick, he’d rename the team The Washington Offensive

Connotations of scoring points, dept. of defense and trolling. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lurker89 said:

Okay.... so I said something that makes you not want to engage with me anymore?

I'm talking to you rationally, I'm not being combative. Not trolling you, you could just express your opinion as to why I'm "off-track" instead of taking your ball and going home.

 You are willing to butt heads with @Gastineau Lives  but want me to put  you on ignore, I'm genuinely confused by that stance.

You took the conversation sideways. I figure if you’re that bothered that you took it a different direction, better to ignore me. Just trying to be peaceful, and avoid deflection or generalized arguments, not avoiding anything. Do as you want, it was a suggestion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, CTM said:

Boomers and millenials ruining everything..

As to this issue, change the name. Its long overdue. 

However, imo people with the idea that those who resist cancel culture are doing so solely on racist grounds have a pretty shallow take on the matter. Organized mobs of people deciding what is or isnt ok to think/say with the power to take away livelihoods and ostracize is pretty dangerous as far as I'm concerned. Particularly as thier causes move from unambiguous issues to ones that are more complex and nuanced. 

 

Yea, I can agree with that. To the point Angelo made: compartmentalization.

This issue: change it. 

Other issues: logic, case-by-case required.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

doesnt require a "statistical expert" to record a y or n from a phone call. 

 

4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

plz explain the statistical expertise required to conduct a team mascot poll based off of a yes or no question.

 

Poll design. Participant recruitment questions and qualifiers. It’s quite easy to tilt a poll towards a bias, that’s why my research team rarely uses them. If not designed from an unbiased point to if view, the results are about as meaningful as NPS scores.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Butterfield said:

Sorry, go sign up for a research methods class. I am not here to teach you how things work.  

👍

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

"research methods"

After that, take a class in honest debate tactics.

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

lol. The results of a yes/no poll are flawed due to the statistical nuances you must learn from a masters level research methods class. Thanks for sharing.

No, but thanks for reducing it to a lame brain level of simplicity to rebuke the relevancy of his replies. A perfect deflection from your ignorance on the topic.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Lurker89 said:

Cool ... No worries I'm not easily bothered just thought the topic was broader than the Redskins team name by itself.

I don't get offended by words... I like a good edgy joke. If other people have seriously bigoted views that go beyond humor and want to disparage me for superficial reasons such as race or class that's unfortunate and is their problem and their loss as a human being. 

If all we are discussing is the Redskins name yeah let their fans hit them in the wallet and change the name. I think the fans should vote with their dollars. If you want to join them in advocacy of that cause cool.

Other posters who are more crass I meet with a more crass tone as I enjoy a good troll game and a bit of old fashioned internet blood sport. 

 

we can leave it at that 😉.

Yea, all I’m saying is specific to the skins. Broader generalize arguments that extrapolate to other cancel movements don’t apply. I don’t fall into ranks like most people do. I look at things on a individual basis.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Content Partnership

Yes Network

Site Sponsor

MILE-Social - NJ Social Media & SEO company
×
×
  • Create New...