jetstream23 24,065 #1 Posted July 3 Quote Is this Sam Darnold's last chance? A progress report on the Jets QB and what to expect in 2020 This week, I checked in with progress reports for quarterbacks from the 2018 NFL draft. Five quarterbacks were drafted in the first round that year, and I took detailed looks at Lamar Jackson (Tuesday), Josh Allen (Wednesday), Baker Mayfield (Thursday) and Sam Darnold (Friday). Sorry, Josh Rosen; I'll get to you another time. If you were crafting a quarterback prospect from scratch, you would likely end up with something close to Sam Darnold. The New York Jets quarterback has prototypical size and arm strength. He is tough and an above-average athlete. He anticipates windows coming open and makes accurate passes to give his receivers opportunities to run after the catch. He makes the sort of unstoppable, breathtaking throws that only a few human beings on the planet can make. Darnold just doesn't make them often enough to push the Jets toward success -- so far. Watch him play and you see brilliance interspersed with disappointment. There are stretches in which he looks like a 10-year veteran, easily spraying the ball around the field on time as he finds open receivers. There also are plays, possessions and even games in which he looks worse than your typical young quarterback. It's tough to guess what's coming next when you follow one of your best starts as a pro with arguably the worst start in Jets history.....(continued here https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29402013/is-sam-darnold-last-chance-progress-report-jets-qb-expect-2020 ) 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage69 9,671 #2 Posted July 3 John Elway never completed 60% of his passes till his 10th year and in his first 3 years he had 47 tds and 52 picks.. Not everyone starts out like Marino.. 8 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnysd 6,054 #3 Posted July 3 Man the people who hate Sam act as if the NE game is the only game he played and place MUCH bigger value on that performance than all others. It's annoying. 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T0mShane 130,172 #4 Posted July 3 Bill Barnwell 3 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paradis 7,833 #5 Posted July 3 This "Is Darnold any good" narrative is really starting to chip away at my ability to enjoy this team (ikr) and the NFL... It's become such a snowflake sport in both media and the audience forums... He was a 20 year old rookie in his first year and played behind the worst Oline with no WRs in yr2.... what does one reasonably expect? Is his talent Salvageable?.. Fck you, Fck your wife, fck your kids, fck your job, fck your golf game, and fck that sh*t eating dog you love so much. 13 9 3 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bitonti 40,671 #6 Posted July 3 there there Jets fans he's actually really awesome everyone in the national media is wrong and dumb and a poopy pants YOU'RE right just like always In summary Sam Darnold is amazing, he's TOTALLY worth all those picks and Quenton Nelson Drafting USC QBs is always a great idea, especially in New York City. 4 10 1 1 2 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
playtowinthegame 3,770 #7 Posted July 3 29 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Bill Barnwell has written about his struggles with depression, and body image. He lost 125 pounds in 2015.[20][21] He is a fan of the New York Giants, but acknowledges that he also "worships" Tom Brady.[22] 1 3 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
playtowinthegame 3,770 #8 Posted July 3 Translation: Darnold hit piece by Giants fan. 10 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SackExchangeNYJ 89 #9 Posted July 3 Is this piece for real? I mean, seriously? 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #10 Posted July 3 he did pieces on all the 2018 qbs. look at paradis icon... bad footwork.... the piece also includes a healthy dose of gase criticism... and invokes comps to alex smith and troy aikman..... i mean... this is the 2nd paragraph... only thing is....it also ends up with the types of questions that i and a few others around here ask....which are so unpopular... If you were crafting a quarterback prospect from scratch, you would likely end up with something close to Sam Darnold. The New York Jets quarterback has prototypical size and arm strength. He is tough and an above-average athlete. He anticipates windows coming open and makes accurate passes to give his receivers opportunities to run after the catch. He makes the sort of unstoppable, breathtaking throws that only a few human beings on the planet can make. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream23 24,065 #11 Posted July 3 15 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Bill Barnwell has written about his struggles with depression, and body image. He lost 125 pounds in 2015.[20][21] He is a fan of the New York Giants, but acknowledges that he also "worships" Tom Brady.[22] LOL.... If Dr. Frankenstein were to ever cobble together the parts to construct the perfect anti-Jets person this sounds like it. 2 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MindOverMatter 1,055 #12 Posted July 3 11 minutes ago, bitonti said: there there Jets fans he's actually really awesome everyone in the national media is wrong and dumb and a poopy pants YOU'RE right just like always In summary Sam Darnold is amazing, he's TOTALLY worth all those picks and Quenton Nelson Drafting USC QBs is always a great idea, especially in New York City. As always people only have 2 extreme takeaways. 1. Either Darnold is trash and a 20 yr old QB was supposed to turn this franchise around with a bunch of UPS drivers blocking for him, and since he hasn't he is garbage. Or 2. Darnold is a top 5 QB in hiding and when all the stars align he will be Rodgers outside the pocket and Manning inside the pocket. And as usual both takes are ridiculously stupid. Darnold set a record before either throwing a football in a regular season game, he was the youngest QB to start EVER. It's almost like that doesn't cound for anything? I get we gave up alot to draft him but TBH it was the right move. When you have a chance to draft a FQB you do it. And that is what Darnold is, a FQB. Only QB that would have thrived the past 2 seasons on the Jets would have been Wilson, Rodgers, and maybe a few others. Only because Wilson and Rodgers have had to overcome poor offensive talent and or injuries more than most QB's in the NFL. I can't wait for Darnold to have a fair playing field so he can shut up all you lame ass naysayers up. Bottom 3 OLine and Bottom 5 WR's and TE's, with basically no run game and what many he consider to be a sh*tty coach. But yeah you're right it's all Darnold's fault. 8 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreekJet 204 #13 Posted July 3 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29402013/is-sam-darnold-last-chance-progress-report-jets-qb-expect-2020 I agree with most of the analysis here. I think he does a good job using the analytics while also trying to provide some context. Where I disagree with him is that I don’t see 2020 as a make or break year for Sam. I think the Jets/Douglas realize that this is still a flawed roster and would try to run it back with Darnold in 2021 with a new head coach and a more stable environment on offense. Its true Joe Douglas/Adam Gase didn’t draft Sam Darnold, but ownership hired them to develop his game and build an infrastructure around him. If he fails, they failed IMO. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreekJet 204 #14 Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, Losmeister said: he did pieces on all the 2018 qbs. look at paradis icon... bad footwork.... the piece also includes a healthy dose of gase criticism... and invokes comps to alex smith and troy aikman..... i mean... this is the 2nd paragraph... only thing is....it also ends up with the types of questions that i and a few others around here ask....which are so unpopular... If you were crafting a quarterback prospect from scratch, you would likely end up with something close to Sam Darnold. The New York Jets quarterback has prototypical size and arm strength. He is tough and an above-average athlete. He anticipates windows coming open and makes accurate passes to give his receivers opportunities to run after the catch. He makes the sort of unstoppable, breathtaking throws that only a few human beings on the planet can make. It’s not really a hit piece, but the headline does suggest it would be (generate those clicks). 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerfish 25,414 #15 Posted July 3 My biggest worry about Sam Darnold is Adam Gase. I feel the GM is legit trying to add enough talent to succed. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samtorobby47 2,071 #16 Posted July 3 Darnold will be a top 5-10 QB this season. If there is one. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #17 Posted July 3 you act as if anything that doenst procliam that darnold is god himsef is an unsult...... btw, yesterdays headline was What went wrong for Baker Mayfield, and can he be fixed? A progress report on the Browns QB 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #18 Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, GreekJet said: It’s not really a hit piece, but the headline does suggest it would be (generate those clicks). no its not. but the babies around here wail so easily... @Beerfish is on thr ight track... i think... and its basically barfwell's conclusion. that sam will be as good as those round him. 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Welp 461 #19 Posted July 3 I can only imagine Barnwell’s Daniel Jones headline: How many hands do I need to give him a handjob? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bitonti 40,671 #20 Posted July 3 11 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said: And as usual both takes are ridiculously stupid. Darnold set a record before either throwing a football in a regular season game, he was the youngest QB to start EVER. It's almost like that doesn't cound for anything? I get we gave up alot to draft him but TBH it was the right move. We all remember that game. He throws a pick 6 opening drive and gets hot to beat the Lions. he's like 3-9 all time against Playoff teams he's missed 3 games out of 16 every year. 13 games is what Darnold plays this is year 3 of 5 out of his rookie deal. the team used a 4th rounder on James Morgan those are all facts was it the right move? time will tell I will say one thing it's notable that instead of defending Darnold these threads become more about Doxxing the author and attacking the source the numbers on Darnold are what they are franchise QBs can perform even with UPS drivers blocking for them Phillip Rivers has made a career out of it 10 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warfish 26,015 #21 Posted July 3 His numbers to-date ARE terrible. We SHOULD be hoping his talent and potential can be salvaged. If Darnold doesn't improve on his first two years, half this forum will be asking out loud if he should even be extended. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreekJet 204 #22 Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, Losmeister said: you act as if anything that doenst procliam that darnold is god himsef is an unsult...... btw, yesterdays headline was What went wrong for Baker Mayfield, and can he be fixed? A progress report on the Browns QB Didn’t all four teams that drafted a QB in 2018 pass on Mahomes/Watson? Kiem looks like a genius for cutting bait on Rosen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigRy56 5,177 #23 Posted July 3 Lmao Darnold is an MVP candidate this year but his talent salvageable? Ok then fake news 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #24 Posted July 3 what a hit piece!!! u guys really are ******* pussies... oversensitive carriers of the y chromosome valuating Darnold after two seasons requires an elaborate system of caveats and justifications. Everyone is going to weigh those differently. How do you account for him suffering from mononucleosis? What have the Jets done to surround him with talent? Do you treat the second half of 2019 -- when he threw 13 touchdown passes against four picks and posted a passer rating of 93.5 -- as his true talent level and a launching point for 2020? Or do you look at that schedule, see six consecutive starts against teams that finished in the bottom quartile of pass defense DVOA this past season, and worry about what Darnold is going to do when five of his first nine starts in 2020 come against top-six pass defenses? 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #25 Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Darnold is an MVP candidate who has said this???? 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MindOverMatter 1,055 #26 Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: We all remember that game. He throws a pick 6 opening drive and gets hot to beat the Lions. he's like 3-9 all time against Playoff teams he's missed 3 games out of 16 every year. 13 games is what Darnold plays this is year 3 of 5 out of his rookie deal. the team used a 4th rounder on James Morgan those are all facts was it the right move? time will tell I will say one thing it's notable that instead of defending Darnold these threads become more about Doxxing the author and attacking the source the numbers on Darnold are what they are franchise QBs can perform even with UPS drivers blocking for them Phillip Rivers has made a career out of it There was never a season where Phillip Rivers had offensive talent as bad as the 2018 and 2019 Jets. If you really believe that, then I don't know what to say. And even when he did have poor blocking, he had an abundance of probowl or HoF talent (Gates, Vincent Jackson, Gordon, Allen..) What's the Jets record against playoff teams this decade as a team? I'm assuming not very good. You are right we will see what happens. But my money is on Sam finally taking a step forward and proving his worth. The OLine handicap, Receiver Injuries, New Playbooks almost every year of his career, mono....it's alot of excuses and I hate using excuses but that list is absurd. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreekJet 204 #27 Posted July 3 14 minutes ago, Beerfish said: My biggest worry about Sam Darnold is Adam Gase. I feel the GM is legit trying to add enough talent to succed. Keep in mind that Tannheill used to always be at the bottom of the league in these advanced metrics under gase. Football outsiders had a stat I read somewhere that Gase offenses always lead the league in failed completions. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pdxgreen 3,395 #28 Posted July 3 (Yawns) Well. At least they've moved away from Jamal's incesaant bitching for a day. 3 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreekJet 204 #29 Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, Losmeister said: who has said this???? Who said Lamar would be last year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arsis 16,817 #30 Posted July 3 I haven't read an article about the Jets since 2003. It's not worth it. Journalism is dead. Entertainment and selling bs for clicks is in. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slats 107,413 #31 Posted July 3 4 minutes ago, Losmeister said: what a hit piece!!! u guys really are ******* pussies... Please refrain from this sort of thing. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 5,028 #33 Posted July 3 7 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Who said Lamar would be last year? i didnt. but i am pretty sure someone at ESPN called it before the season, iirc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trolly McTrollface 6,554 #34 Posted July 3 Forget the headline of this thread, it wasn’t a “hit piece.” This piece was nothing more than Barnwell’s evaluation of Darnold. He’s done the same with other QBs, it’s not like he’s out to get Sam here. He talked about weakness in his game we all know are there. He talked about the poor OL play, and lack of skill players to help him. He talked about how Gase really could’ve helped him more. As far as evaluations go, I thought it was very fair. He brought up areas where Sam hasn’t been good, gave him blame where he deserved it, gave reasons for why he wasn’t always the culprit, and talked about the possibility of Darnold overcoming those issues and allowed for him succeeding in the NFL. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trolly McTrollface 6,554 #35 Posted July 3 15 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Lmao Darnold is an MVP candidate this year but his talent salvageable? Ok then fake news WTF? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
