Popular Post Warfish Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just a reminder of Kirk Cousins production the past two years since he refused our very generous offer: 2018 - 16 Starts, 425 for 606 (70.1%), 4,298 Passing Yards, 30 TD's, 10 INT's. 8 wins, 7 losses. 2019 - 15 Starts, 307 for 444 (69.1%), 3,603 Passing Yards, 26 TD's, 6 INT's. 10 wins, 5 losses. His first non-4,000 yard season since became a starter in 2015. This obviously bait-thread is a great example of the selective perception of Jets Fans. 1. Production doesn't matter, only theoretical potential future production matters. 2. Production doesn't matter, because X "wouldn't/couldn't have produced here anyway". 3. Production doesn't matter, because the team only won 1, 2, 3 more games than we did. 4. Production doesn't matter, because my eyes tell me our guy is the better player. 5. Production doesn't matter, because we would be in Cap Hell with this guy (despite spending under the cap every year and wasting similar money on numerous bad players). 6. Production doesn't matter, because our guy is only 22, didn't you know? Can't judge on production for a 22 year old. 7. Production doesn't matter, because look how that guy choked in the playoffs (despite us never sniffing the playoffs). 8. Production doesn't matter, because that guy has All-Pros everywhere and our guys can barely pump gas. Even elite QB's can't raise the quality of our guys. You can't judge our guy with this roster. Or the next roster. Or the roster after that.... 9. Production doesn't matter because that other guy is selfish and only cares about his stats, our guy is selfless, an angel really, who somehow chooses not to produce yards and TD's because that's better for the team. Etc. Etc. Etc. It's sooooooooooooo tiring. Put up, or shut up. When OUR guy produces to the levels of all the guys Jets Fans say "suck" at QB, maybe you folks might have a point. The only thing Sam Darnold is "elite" at so far is in generating hot air from Jets fans. You're all the fandom equivalent of the little playground weakling sitting on their asses with bloody noses, muttering quietly to themselves (so the bully can't hear them) that the bully "wasn't that tough anyway, we're better than him. We could kick his ass if we wanted to". We're better? Great! PROVE IT, ON THE FIELD, WITH ACTUAL PRODUCTION. Otherwise, Zzzzzzzzzzzz, same old Jets fans. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 22 hours ago, GreekJet said: If you watch that game they played against each other in 2018 Darnold looked like the better QB. However the overall body of work suggests Watson and even Cousins are much better. Overall body of work? They have been in the league longer with playoff teams (better supporting casts) and Sam has missed time both years on bad teams. Darnold is also 22. Just saying I would much rather have him even though I like Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Warfish said: Just a reminder of Kirk Cousins production the past two years since he refused our very generous offer: 2018 - 16 Starts, 425 for 606 (70.1%), 4,298 Passing Yards, 30 TD's, 10 INT's. 8 wins, 7 losses. 2019 - 15 Starts, 307 for 444 (69.1%), 3,603 Passing Yards, 26 TD's, 6 INT's. 10 wins, 5 losses. His first non-4,000 yard season since became a starter in 2015. Obviously Cousins has been very productive, but he took over a 13-3 team and has averaged 9 wins. I don't know if that signing has really been a big success for the Vikings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, Warfish said: Just a reminder of Kirk Cousins production the past two years since he refused our very generous offer: 2018 - 16 Starts, 425 for 606 (70.1%), 4,298 Passing Yards, 30 TD's, 10 INT's. 8 wins, 7 losses. 2019 - 15 Starts, 307 for 444 (69.1%), 3,603 Passing Yards, 26 TD's, 6 INT's. 10 wins, 5 losses. His first non-4,000 yard season since became a starter in 2015. This obviously bait-thread is a great example of the selective perception of Jets Fans. 1. Production doesn't matter, only theoretical potential future production matters. 2. Production doesn't matter, because X "wouldn't/couldn't have produced here anyway". 3. Production doesn't matter, because the team only won 1, 2, 3 more games than we did. 4. Production doesn't matter, because my eyes tell me our guy is the better player. 5. Production doesn't matter, because we would be in Cap Hell with this guy (despite spending under the cap every year and wasting similar money on numerous bad players). 6. Production doesn't matter, because our guy is only 22, didn't you know? Can't judge on production for a 22 year old. 7. Production doesn't matter, because look how that guy choked in the playoffs (despite us never sniffing the playoffs). Etc. Etc. Etc. It's sooooooooooooo tiring. Put up, or shut up. When OUR guy produces to the levels of all the guys Jets Fans say "suck" at QB, maybe you folks might have a point. The only thing Sam Darnold is "elite" at so far is in generating hot air from Jets fans. You're all the fandom equivalent of the little playground weakling sitting on their asses with bloody noses, muttering quietly to themselves (so the bully can't hear them) that the bully "wasn't that tough anyway, we're better than him. We could kick his ass if we wanted to". We're better? Great! PROVE IT, ON THE FIELD, WITH ACTUAL PRODUCTION. Otherwise, Zzzzzzzzzzzz, same old Jets fans. Truth. ^^ Those blinded by homerism will always disingenuously use a litany of excuses to absurdly say Darnold is a better QB than Cousins or Watson or any other top 15 QB for that matter are either: 1) Blind 2) Have zero football knowledge 3) Trolling 4) Refuse to acknowledge the truth because they can never be wrong type people. Like you said. PRODUCTION is the bottom line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Kirk Cousins on the 2018/19 NY Jets = Neil O'Donnell 2.0 EDIT: Apologies to SAR who said this first. I didn't read any comments - just posted. Let this be a lesson ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Truth. ^^ Those blinded by homerism will always disingenuously use a litany of excuses to absurdly say Darnold is a better QB than Cousins or Watson or any other top 15 QB for that matter are either: 1) Blind 2) Have zero football knowledge 3) Trolling 4) Refuse to acknowledge the truth because they can never be wrong type people. Like you said. PRODUCTION is the bottom line. No doubt that anyone saying Darnold > Cousins right now is insane. Even if Darnold had Cousins' roster around him, I don't imagine he'd be putting up better numbers at this stage in his career. But among the reasonable people, that's not what the argument should be about. If you're starting a team from scratch, which QB do you prefer (with current contract included as part of the analyis)? For me its an easy decision: Darnold. He's 9 years younger, still on his rookie deal, and at least has demonstrated he can put up Andy Dalton numbers. With Cousins, we've seen the best out of him, and it's QB purgatory. Barely above average QB play and a very poor W-L record against teams with .500+ records. Darnold has an unknown/untapped ceiling, so the "devil you don't know" is better than the "devil you know" in this instance. And I'll add that it's not just that Darnold is so much younger. I'd probably take several aging QB's over Darnold if starting a team from scratch (like Rodgers and probably Brees). Cousins isn't in that category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No doubt that anyone saying Darnold > Cousins right now is insane. Even if Darnold had Cousins' roster around him, I don't imagine he'd be putting up better numbers at this stage in his career. But among the reasonable people, that's not what the argument should be about. If you're starting a team from scratch, which QB do you prefer (with current contract included as part of the analyis)? For me its an easy decision: Darnold. He's 9 years younger, still on his rookie deal, and at least has demonstrated he can put up Andy Dalton numbers. He also has an unknown ceiling. With Cousins, we've seen the best out of him, and it's QB purgatory. Barely above average QB play and a very poor W-L record against teams with .500+ records. Darnold still has a shot at being the guy but I am at a point with him where its time to put up or buh bye. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Obviously Cousins has been very productive, but he took over a 13-3 team and has averaged 9 wins. I don't know if that signing has really been a big success for the Vikings. Yep. He's like the RB who, if you need 1 yard, will give you 3, but if you need 5 yards will also give you 3. He'll take a bad team and get you 9-10 wins, but he also has the ability to take a good team and give you 9-10 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Darnold still has a shot at being the guy but I am at a point with him where its time to put up or buh bye. Agreed. No excuses this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Wang Doodle Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 We'd be in QB purgatory. Having a guy that's good enough to win some games but never going to get over the hump. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 We would have been 5-11 and then 7-9, but this time with less cap space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Kleckineau said: I would protect it and serve it justice for free. I am pretty that particular field has been well served at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Obviously Cousins has been very productive, but he took over a 13-3 team and has averaged 9 wins. I don't know if that signing has really been a big success for the Vikings. Thank you, I left that one off the list. 8. Production doesn't matter, because that guy has All-Pros everywhere and our guys can barely pump gas. Even elite QB's can't raise the quality of our guys. You can't judge our guy with this roster. Or the next roster. Or the roster after that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 He would blow out his calf In warmups lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: We'd be in QB purgatory. Having a guy that's good enough to win some games but never going to get over the hump. We'd very likely be in a mid 2000's Pennington situation. Cousins is definitely a good QB. No doubt about it. However we saved all that cap space by not signing him and look at how all that extra money looks on the field the last 2 years. Plus it's not like he's a team elevator. He took over a 13-3 juggernaut and hasn't even won a division title. He's good but ultimately not a guy that's going to deliver a trophy. He's the Trent Green and Pennington of this generation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Darnold still has a shot at being the guy but I am at a point with him where its time to put up or buh bye. would #'s like 65% completion %, 4,000 yards, 20TD, 10 INT count as "putting up" to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 We would have cousins plus a bunch of high draft pick position players who are good — although Mac was drafting so probably he whiffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 hours ago, EM31 said: I am pretty that particular field has been well served at this point. Prime real estate always gets a lot of traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 We'd be in QB purgatory. Having a guy that's good enough to win some games but never going to get over the hump.... so no different than now ...Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dunnie said: ... so no different than now ... Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app We're winning some games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 hours ago, y2k8 said: Kirk Cousins on the 2018/19 NY Jets = Neil O'Donnell 2.0 Keep reading this. Other O'Donnell was never as good as Cousins, never put up really good QB numbers like Cousins has it would make sense. But every and any trade for a QB wouldn't be Neil O'Donnell 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Warfish said: Just a reminder of Kirk Cousins production the past two years since he refused our very generous offer: 2018 - 16 Starts, 425 for 606 (70.1%), 4,298 Passing Yards, 30 TD's, 10 INT's. 8 wins, 7 losses. 2019 - 15 Starts, 307 for 444 (69.1%), 3,603 Passing Yards, 26 TD's, 6 INT's. 10 wins, 5 losses. His first non-4,000 yard season since became a starter in 2015. This obviously bait-thread is a great example of the selective perception of Jets Fans. 1. Production doesn't matter, only theoretical potential future production matters. 2. Production doesn't matter, because X "wouldn't/couldn't have produced here anyway". 3. Production doesn't matter, because the team only won 1, 2, 3 more games than we did. 4. Production doesn't matter, because my eyes tell me our guy is the better player. 5. Production doesn't matter, because we would be in Cap Hell with this guy (despite spending under the cap every year and wasting similar money on numerous bad players). 6. Production doesn't matter, because our guy is only 22, didn't you know? Can't judge on production for a 22 year old. 7. Production doesn't matter, because look how that guy choked in the playoffs (despite us never sniffing the playoffs). 8. Production doesn't matter, because that guy has All-Pros everywhere and our guys can barely pump gas. Even elite QB's can't raise the quality of our guys. You can't judge our guy with this roster. Or the next roster. Or the roster after that.... Etc. Etc. Etc. It's sooooooooooooo tiring. Put up, or shut up. When OUR guy produces to the levels of all the guys Jets Fans say "suck" at QB, maybe you folks might have a point. The only thing Sam Darnold is "elite" at so far is in generating hot air from Jets fans. You're all the fandom equivalent of the little playground weakling sitting on their asses with bloody noses, muttering quietly to themselves (so the bully can't hear them) that the bully "wasn't that tough anyway, we're better than him. We could kick his ass if we wanted to". We're better? Great! PROVE IT, ON THE FIELD, WITH ACTUAL PRODUCTION. Otherwise, Zzzzzzzzzzzz, same old Jets fans. Disagree. While there are plenty of guys who would've put up better numbers than Sam did the past couple of seasons, the goal is to ultimately win the Superbowl. By the logic you listed above, we would've been better off with Ryan Fitzpatrick (I'm too lazy to look up the numbers but I think he had better numbers. If not, you get the idea - some mediocre QB). I'm still 100% on board that Sam has the higher upside over Kirk in that regard. As for him being 22, it also means we have a long time for him to mature and learn the ropes. And he was already a high-potential guy when we drafted him. The goal is to nurture him and make him realize his potential, rather than push all our chips in for the short term on Kirk when it was obvious the rest of the team wasn't ready to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Disagree. While there are plenty of guys who would've put up better numbers than Sam did the past couple of seasons, the goal is to ultimately win the Superbowl. By the logic you listed above, we would've been better off with Ryan Fitzpatrick (I'm too lazy to look up the numbers but I think he had better numbers. If not, you get the idea - some mediocre QB). I'm still 100% on board that Sam has the higher upside over Kirk in that regard. As for him being 22, it also means we have a long time for him to mature and learn the ropes. And he was already a high-potential guy when we drafted him. The goal is to nurture him and make him realize his potential, rather than push all our chips in for the short term on Kirk when it was obvious the rest of the team wasn't ready to win. Does being 22 somehow extend his contract? I'm not sure, but I think we have to decide if we want to exercise the 5th year option pretty soon and after that we will have to extend him or let him walk. All being 22 does is mean that he won't be a mature QB by the time we do those things. For all the people who think we are better off with Darnold because "Cousins wouldn't bring us a super bowl" then we'd probably be better off with Brandon Weeden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Dunnie said: ... so no different than now ... Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Actually completely different. But not being able to see beyond the stats of a 21, & 22 year old, 1 & 1/2 seasons of play for a total scrub offensive team an easier out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Kirk Cousin's was the best rejection in the history of being rejected. A blessing. The day he rejected the Jets will be remembered forever in Jets lore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Darnold still has a shot at being the guy but I am at a point with him where its time to put up or buh bye. I get that. Because what, with time missed due to injury in 2018 and mono in 2019, time that he was more than likely playing ill, hes played more than a season, thats enough time. Hate to break this to those who say he has this year. He will have this year and at least next year to prove what he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Does being 22 somehow extend his contract? I'm not sure, but I think we have to decide if we want to exercise the 5th year option pretty soon and after that we will have to extend him or let him walk. All being 22 does is mean that he won't be a mature QB by the time we do those things. For all the people who think we are better off with Darnold because "Cousins wouldn't bring us a super bowl" then we'd probably be better off with Brandon Weeden. I don't get what you mean about Weeden. Are you talking about a comparison of Weeden vs Cousins while leaving Darnold out of that equation? I realize we're going to have to make a decision on Sam pretty quickly but that's why I was against the hiring of Adam Gase. But at this point we might be tied to him (rather than have Sam learn another offense). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I don't get what you mean about Weeden. Are you talking about a comparison of Weeden vs Cousins while leaving Darnold out of that equation? I realize we're going to have to make a decision on Sam pretty quickly but that's why I was against the hiring of Adam Gase. But at this point we might be tied to him (rather than have Sam learn another offense). No. I am comparing Weeden to Darnold. Weeden was an ancient rookie. When he sucked, he sucked. There wasn't any of this, he is only 22 nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I look at this a little bit differently. We added Darnold to a terrible roster to develop a young QB. A patchwork bottom 5 OL with a Center who could not snap the ball, and a bunch of jag weapons: Enunwa coming of a neck injury, plus Jermaine Kearse and Robby Anderson. We did little to upgrade WR or OL for 2019. It should not be a surprise that Darnold has been erratic and struggled at times. If Sam takes a leap this season and proves he is the guy who can lead the frnachise for the next 10 years, it was the right move. The alternative to trading for the QB in 2018 was to sign a veteran QB while adding young offensive talent in the draft. What we should have been doing in 2016 & 17 with McCown. Had we signed Cousins,, we would have had three more premium draft picks,, but we would not likely have had the money to sign Mosley and Bell. Is that really such a bad thing. The players picked in the slots that we traded away were Quentin Nelson, Braden Smith, Dallas Goedert and Rock Ya Sin. I know it doesn't work this way, but if you take Mosely, Bell and Darnold off our roster, and add Cousins, Goedert, Nelson, Smith, and Ya-Sin, which team is better positioned to win in 2020? And if we would not have re-signed Cousins after this season, which team has a better supporting cast to help a young 2021 or 22 draftee to succeed. It all depends on Darnold. And I have not seen enough out of him these last two years to say he definitely is the guy to lead this franchise for the next decade. I think it was a risk worth taking in 2018, but I do not think it is that clear cut that we are better today for having done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 20 hours ago, Warfish said: Just a reminder of Kirk Cousins production the past two years since he refused our very generous offer: 2018 - 16 Starts, 425 for 606 (70.1%), 4,298 Passing Yards, 30 TD's, 10 INT's. 8 wins, 7 losses. 2019 - 15 Starts, 307 for 444 (69.1%), 3,603 Passing Yards, 26 TD's, 6 INT's. 10 wins, 5 losses. His first non-4,000 yard season since became a starter in 2015. This obviously bait-thread is a great example of the selective perception of Jets Fans. 1. Production doesn't matter, only theoretical potential future production matters. 2. Production doesn't matter, because X "wouldn't/couldn't have produced here anyway". 3. Production doesn't matter, because the team only won 1, 2, 3 more games than we did. 4. Production doesn't matter, because my eyes tell me our guy is the better player. 5. Production doesn't matter, because we would be in Cap Hell with this guy (despite spending under the cap every year and wasting similar money on numerous bad players). 6. Production doesn't matter, because our guy is only 22, didn't you know? Can't judge on production for a 22 year old. 7. Production doesn't matter, because look how that guy choked in the playoffs (despite us never sniffing the playoffs). 8. Production doesn't matter, because that guy has All-Pros everywhere and our guys can barely pump gas. Even elite QB's can't raise the quality of our guys. You can't judge our guy with this roster. Or the next roster. Or the roster after that.... Etc. Etc. Etc. It's sooooooooooooo tiring. Put up, or shut up. When OUR guy produces to the levels of all the guys Jets Fans say "suck" at QB, maybe you folks might have a point. The only thing Sam Darnold is "elite" at so far is in generating hot air from Jets fans. You're all the fandom equivalent of the little playground weakling sitting on their asses with bloody noses, muttering quietly to themselves (so the bully can't hear them) that the bully "wasn't that tough anyway, we're better than him. We could kick his ass if we wanted to". We're better? Great! PROVE IT, ON THE FIELD, WITH ACTUAL PRODUCTION. Otherwise, Zzzzzzzzzzzz, same old Jets fans. If Darnold put up numbers like that people would be suggesting him as an MVP, OPY, pro-bowl, top 5 qb, all-pro candidate instead of giving reasons why the production didn't matter. Unless of course - he said things they didn't like on social media, in which case he would need to be traded ASAP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Lith said: I look at this a little bit differently. We added Darnold to a terrible roster to develop a young QB. A patchwork bottom 5 OL with a Center who could not snap the ball, and a bunch of jag weapons: Enunwa coming of a neck injury, plus Jermaine Kearse and Robby Anderson. We did little to upgrade WR or OL for 2019. It should not be a surprise that Darnold has been erratic and struggled at times. If Sam takes a leap this season and proves he is the guy who can lead the frnachise for the next 10 years, it was the right move. The alternative to trading for the QB in 2018 was to sign a veteran QB while adding young offensive talent in the draft. What we should have been doing in 2016 & 17 with McCown. Had we signed Cousins,, we would have had three more premium draft picks,, but we would not likely have had the money to sign Mosley and Bell. Is that really such a bad thing. The players picked in the slots that we traded away were Quentin Nelson, Braden Smith, Dallas Goedert and Rock Ya Sin. I know it doesn't work this way, but if you take Mosely, Bell and Darnold off our roster, and add Cousins, Goedert, Nelson, Smith, and Ya-Sin, which team is better positioned to win in 2020? And if we would not have re-signed Cousins after this season, which team has a better supporting cast to help a young 2021 or 22 draftee to succeed. It all depends on Darnold. And I have not seen enough out of him these last two years to say he definitely is the guy to lead this franchise for the next decade. I think it was a risk worth taking in 2018, but I do not think it is that clear cut that we are better today for having done so. Cousins is fringe top 10-12 material right now, so I agree, we are not better right now at the QB position. But if Cousins is the ceiling we have for Sam, then we drafted the wrong guy. Also, with Macc drafting with those picks we gave up, we might have been in even worse roster shape than we were when he got fired. He would have done nothing to help Cousins either.The thing that scares me the most about Sam is that he's the one Macc wanted. Based on Macc's record here, that should scare everybody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Wang Doodle Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: ... so no different than now ... Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Disagree. We can argue all day about Darnold, and regardless of where you land, it's irrelevant as we can get out of his rookie contract very easily. Cousins' contract was fully guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 13 hours ago, ljr said: would #'s like 65% completion %, 4,000 yards, 20TD, 10 INT count as "putting up" to you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Not generally a fan of the woulda-coulda-shoulda game, but I'll play a bit... I'm thrilled that Kirk Cousins took less money to be Kirk Cousins on the Vikings. That was a Maccagnan desperation move that might've probably worked... to keep Maccagnan employed with the Jets. Maybe Bowles, too. And if it didn't, then the Jets would've paid him for three years for less than nothing, and I don't know where the team would be. They'd probably have better passing numbers, but I really don't know if that would've meant many more wins. I simply see Cousins as more of a stat whore than a winner. A different version of Alex Smith. They can have him. Sam Darnold may not work out, but it's a lot more fun for me to roll the dice with a young QB than watch some mercenary put up numbers for himself but not necessarily the team. And I also still have a lot of optimism about Sam working out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Dunnie said: ... so no different than now ... No. Cousins is what he is at this point. He has a very narrow range of outcomes. Darnold has a significantly wider range of outcomes. He may bust. He may be Andy Dalton. He also might be an above average starting QB with top 10 or so upside. This year will be telling on which direction he's headed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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