GATA Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, GATA said: lols tied Disgraceful. You people deserve nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, T0mShane said: Disgraceful. You people deserve nothing. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 Mac and it's not even close. 3 hours ago, DoubleDown said: MacCagnan Draft picks and free agent signings were almost entirely complete disasters. His strategies and actions were all over the map with seemingly no cohesive plan in place. The only thing he got right in 4 years was trading up in the first round in 2018 and drafting Sam Darnold. Idzik turned out to be bad, but at least you can say that he had a sound strategy. His failures were mostly in the execution of drafts. Ridding the team of overpriced bloated contracts, signing good value players like Eric Decker, and trading a declining (and injured) Revis for a first round pick were all good moves for a team starting a new rebuild. This is exactly correct. Idzik had a plan and it wasn't a bad one - he just drafted horribly and had Rex to deal with. Mac - honestly didn't understand the basic fundamentals of building a roster in today's NFL - it was really that bad. I know it sounds crazy that a guy got that high in the ranks with that level of incompetence but there really is no other way to see based on the way he drafted and signed free agents. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone 24 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Done, over with. Brian Heimerdinger got Sam Darnold. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 This thread is perfect proof as to why Woody is a terrible owner. He has to put smart people in place and basically never has.... Trust fund baby to the max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone Idzik had two drafts. Mac had 5 and he didn't even really try to get a QB for 4 years - it's insane. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 The Whopper is "Big Macc" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Mac. And this is from one of Idzik's biggest detractors. The 2017 draft was the darkest moment in this team's history. Passing on two excellent QB prospects for a safety was nothing short of criminal. Then in 2018 he finally takes a QB, but his very next pick hammered home just how inept Mac was. Instead of taking a O-lineman or receiver to help the QB he just selected, Mac opted for (yet again) a defensive lineman. Stupid! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said: Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone 39 minutes ago, GATA said: 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: But he didn't. Heimerdinger engineered the trade and it required sheer luck (NYG passing on Darnold to take a RB) for it to happen. And his Plan A before all that happened was to offer Kirk Cousins more money than any team in the league. Macc had nothing to do with bringing Darnold here. He signed off on a trade up to # 3 in what was, at the time, a 2-QB draft. He was all set to take either Mayfield or Rosen there, with Darnold assumed to be going # 1. Just imagine if Rosen had ended up the pick. Not to mention, no one should be sold on Darnold just yet anyways. He needs to put up a Top-20 QB season before we can even remotely trust that he's the franchise guy. The proper move was to draft a QB in 2017, not a friggin Safety. So even if Macc "got it right", it was still wrong, and the means toward that end required happening in SPITE of Macc's many failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Parcells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Parcells @Smizzy Ban this OBVIOUS TROLL FINALLY 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: I’m sorry, but good or bad Mac gets credit or blame for Darnold. He hired Heimerdinger and signed off on it. If Darnold miraculously turns the corner and becomes a stud franchise QB then he gets a ton of credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, GreekJet said: I’m sorry, but good or bad Mac gets credit or blame for Darnold. He hired Heimerdinger and signed off on it. If Darnold miraculously turns the corner and becomes a stud franchise QB then he gets a ton of credit. His plan A was to hand Kirk Cousins 96 million dollars fully guaranteed. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Brian Heimerdinger got Sam Darnold. Thats the anti Macc scenario. At worst he signed the paperwork, had to decide on what was agreed on, so its his deal Sending Heimerdinger to negotiate after he initiated the deal at the GM meetings also makes it his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: His plan A was to hand Kirk Cousins 96 million dollars fully guaranteed. And? As if Cousins hasn't played well in Minny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 5 hours ago, nyjunc said: Bradway moved down 20 spots, got a vet starting TE and still drafted the 2 players they were targeting in 2005. The Robertson trade was 2 1st rounders in exchange for a 1st rounder that was much higher than either they had. The answer is easily Idzik, he destroyed the franchise. His drafts v were the worst outside of bill Parcells 1997-1999. Idzik had like 14 draft picks the one year, and basically came away with total garbage. Congratulations on getting nothing right. Picked like 3 wide receivers in a draft class filled with quality prospects and the wide receivers all washed out of the league. Idzik wins the award for the worst GM in Jets history, and that is saying something. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Voted Tanny because in my opinion it was his failures that opened the door for the rest of those Jacka____ to walk through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Idzik had two drafts. Mac had 5 and he didn't even really try to get a QB for 4 years - it's insane. Plus he did nothing to prepare a roster for a young QB. If the plan was to go QB in 2018, then he should have been building an offensive roter to support a rookie QB in 2017. Builld an OL; add some weapons. Be ready to allow that QB to succeed. Not Macc. As someone earlier in the thread said (may have been you), Idzik had a plan but could not execute. Macc had no plan He scouted players, but could not build a team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Thats the anti Macc scenario. At worst he signed the paperwork, had to decide on what was agreed on, so its his deal Sending Heimerdinger to negotiate after he initiated the deal at the GM meetings also makes it his. 1. Starts with “this was the anti-Macc scenario.” 2. Goes on to list how little Mac had to do with the trade Heimerdinger engineered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Darron Lee is still out of a job 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Brian Heimerdinger got Sam Darnold. Luck got us Sam Darnold whether it was good or bad luck is still to be determined 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Idzik was so bad he got canned quickly...somehow Mac convinced them to let him rebuild his rebuild (and remember some of our favorite cheerleaders advocating that he was doing just fine up until they fired him and then he was trash) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 hours ago, jetstream23 said: The nicknames are great. They sound like WWE wrestlers now. John "The Glacier" Idzik!!! Personally, I like John" The Dickstain" Idzik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc and its not close. Idzik voters continue to puzzle me. Idzik sucked. No argument there. But Macc is the worst GM in NFL history. Idzik’s one year here was really, really bad and if he had more time he probably would have been as bad or worse than Mac Mac wins this argument simply because the evidence of his ineptitude is all there. 5 crappy drafts, a bunch of horrible free agent contracts and extensions. He only got us Sam by accident because Jon Dorsey had an epic brain fart and fell in love with the sucky midget right before the 2018 draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Idzik was so bad he got canned quickly...somehow Mac convinced them to let him rebuild his rebuild (and remember some of our favorite cheerleaders advocating that he was doing just fine up until they fired him and then he was trash) Idzik fell on the sword because Woody refused to do the obvious thing and pay Revis in the 2014 offseason yes Geno was terrible but the real reason we went 4-12 in 2014 was we had a historically bad secondary that any joe jerkoff off the street could throw for 400 yards on. Woody still was bitter at Revis for being a money hungry diva while he was here forcing us to trade him. Eventually Woody softened his stance on Revis but not until after making Idzik the scapegoat That’s why Woody publicly announced at the Macagnan hiring press conference that he wanted to sign Revis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL047 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Tannenbaum to me was the worst GM, it started with him with his bad drafting, bad free agent signings and bad trades. Everyone brings up him drafting Ferguson and Mangold that one year, but people forgot that after that he did nothing. He was the reason why Chad Pennington got hurt because of his neglect for the oline. Never bothered fixing the oline or getting weapons for his QB. Never bothered cleaning up the roster or bringing in good players to replace the bad ones. He let Rex Ryan run the draft and free agents that came in. In the end the team was a complete joke!!! Remember Idzik inherited this mess from Tannenbaum and continue to do more of the same work like his predecessor. Owner Woody Johnson hired a capologist with zero player personnel experience. He ordered Idzik to do what ever it takes to not sign Revis, and he did by trading him first. Idzik showed his inexperience in his drafting and free agent signings. In the two years he was there, Idzik set this team further back as GM. This setup for Maccagnan!!! I still will say it that all this started with Tannenbaum on why this team is such a mess. People blame Idzik, but Tannenbaum created it. Remember Tannenbaum continue creating a mess in Miami and now they are rebuilding, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Darron Lee is still out of a job He drives uber now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Mac got us 'maybe darnold, maybe mayfield, maybe josh allen, maybe josh rosen.' He did not make a great shrewd trade up during the draft to get 'his guy' Mac drafted Hackenburg in the 2nd round actually a far worse Qb than Geno Smith. Worse yet, because he drafted hack he felt no need to take mahomme or watson the next year. He drafted Darron Lee in the 1st round. He drafted safeties in the 1st and 2nd round and they have a combined 6 ints in3 years which is dreadful fir a safety tandem. He paid Tru Johnson a mountain of money, He perhaps gave out the dumbest contract of all time with big injury guarantee to a guy who was perpetually injured and coming off a career threatening injury. These are just the tip of the iceburg. Among all of his errors by FAR the most grievous one was drafting 3 olineman in 5 years and settling for guys who got our young QB killed. Idzik had two years mac had 5. Idzik actually had a plan, shed bad contracts got comp picks which this never has. He drafted terribly and was justifiably fired, he was much better than mccagnan. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Idzik undoubtedly sucked, but if you look at Mac's first 2 drafts in comparison, they were really no better. Both had an overwhelming majority of complete bums who hardly lasted, but Idzik had the better of the idiotic highly selected DTs for a team who had every other position as greater need, the infinitely more talented and logical pick of crappy second round QBs, and at least something out of their respective always injured WRs. The one win Mac gets out of those 2 drafts is Jenkins. So yes, the level of terribleness at drafting is certainly a very tight race, but then Mac takes the win for GM sucktitude by being worse at literally every other thing, highlighted by his disastrous FA track record, which is saying a lot because Idzik wasn't particularly good at anything himself. In the end, the only thing anyone can point to for Mac is that all he needed was 3 more drafts than Idzik to eventually take a guy who Mac admitted he had no expectation of even being there, that might possibly eventually work out for the team, assuming of course the horrific HC he pushed for as some sort of idiotically failed power move doesn't completely ruin him. I was quite happy with Idzik being fired, and it was the right call, but I would be willing to bet if given another 3 years he would have gone for a QB not named Hackenberg himself at some point, so that on its own is not quite enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Mac got us 'maybe darnold, maybe mayfield, maybe josh allen, maybe josh rosen.' He did not make a great shrewd trade up during the draft to get 'his guy' Mac drafted Hackenburg in the 2nd round actually a far worse Qb than Geno Smith. Worse yet, because he drafted hack he felt no need to take mahomme or watson the next year. He drafted Darron Lee in the 1st round. He drafted safeties in the 1st and 2nd round and they have a combined 6 ints in3 years which is dreadful fir a safety tandem. He paid Tru Johnson a mountain of money, He perhaps gave out the dumbest contract of all time with big injury guarantee to a guy who was perpetually injured and coming off a career threatening injury. These are just the tip of the iceburg. Among all of his errors by FAR the most grievous one was drafting 3 olineman in 5 years and settling for guys who got our young QB killed. Idzik had two years mac had 5. Idzik actually had a plan, shed bad contracts got comp picks which this never has. He drafted terribly and was justifiably fired, he was much better than mccagnan. Lee, Hack, Ardarius Stewart in first 3 rounds Trifecta of Crap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 hours ago, jetstream23 said: The nicknames are great. They sound like WWE wrestlers now. John "The Glacier" Idzik!!! https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-ex-jets-gm-idzik-williams-enunwa-article-1.2334502 He was nicknamed The Glacier, a plodding man charting a course to nowhere. His buffoonery became the stuff of legend. He was an awkward soul devoured in shark-infested waters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: 1. Starts with “this was the anti-Macc scenario.” 2. Goes on to list how little Mac had to do with the trade Heimerdinger engineered In this dream sequence saying Macc started the deal at the GM meetings sending Hewimerdinger to finish what he started and ended with him signing, putting his ass on the deal isnt Macc making the deal. OK, whatever works for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 I also voted for Idzik. I thought the 20 minute mid season press conference in 2014 sealed the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: But he didn't. Heimerdinger engineered the trade and it required sheer luck (NYG passing on Darnold to take a RB) for it to happen. And his Plan A before all that happened was to offer Kirk Cousins more money than any team in the league. Macc had nothing to do with bringing Darnold here. He signed off on a trade up to # 3 in what was, at the time, a 2-QB draft. He was all set to take either Mayfield or Rosen there, with Darnold assumed to be going # 1. Just imagine if Rosen had ended up the pick. Not to mention, no one should be sold on Darnold just yet anyways. He needs to put up a Top-20 QB season before we can even remotely trust that he's the franchise guy. The proper move was to draft a QB in 2017, not a friggin Safety. So even if Macc "got it right", it was still wrong, and the means toward that end required happening in SPITE of Macc's many failures. Totally agree, but I think that was Macs point with that quote. He failed miserably and probably didn’t even deserve darnold but he still put that card in on draft night at the end of the day. Of course this all means nothing like you said if darnold doesn’t work out, but i still have so much faith in the kid. Best prospect the jets have had at the QB position in my lifetime+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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