Jetsfan80 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-team-preview-new-york-jets 2020 NFL Team Preview Series: New York Jets The Jets have been in the midst of a rebuild ever since they drafted quarterback Sam Darnold in 2018, and they still have work to do to improve crucial areas of the team. Wide receiver, offensive line and cornerback were all positions that needed to be significantly upgraded this offseason, and it’s nearly impossible to fill every need through the draft and free agency. Jets fans should have two major focuses this season: a Year 3 progression from Sam Darnold and a step in the right direction in the rebuilding process aided by the new free agents and draft picks. ADDITIONS/SUBTRACTIONS Additions/players brought back: CB Brian Poole (re-signed for one year, $5 million) T George Fant (signed for three years, $30 million) C Connor McGovern (signed for three years, $27 million, $18 million guaranteed) G Alex Lewis (re-signed) QB Joe Flacco LB Patrick Onwuasor Losses: WR Robby Anderson WR Demaryius Thomas RB Ty Montgomery C Ryan Kalil T Brandon Shell T Kelvin Beachum CB Trumaine Johnson (cut) CB Daryl Roberts QUARTERBACK Here’s what I wrote about Sam Darnold at the end of the 2019 season: Darnold’s career has been a roller coaster ride to this point, as he started slow and finished strong as a rookie before putting together a similar stretch of good and bad play in 2019. He missed time due to mononucleosis before a disastrous performance on Monday Night Football against the Patriots; he followed that up with a midseason improvement before a mediocre stretch of play to finish the season. On the positive end, Darnold did return to his college form, showing good accuracy in the short game, but he ranked near the bottom of the league on 10-plus-yard throws. Those numbers should improve with a better group of playmakers in the coming years. It’s a pivotal year for Darnold, who has shown the peaks of a franchise signal-caller but also the valleys of a backup. He’s also had one of the worst supporting casts of any recent first-round pick, so context is crucial in his evaluation. In college, Darnold was outstanding on passes at the short and intermediate range (up to 20 yards), though he did struggle on deep passes. It’s been a similar story in the NFL, as he ranks 22nd on passes up to 20 yards but just 40th out of 44 qualifiers on 20-plus-yard throws. Deep-pass success often comes down to receiver talent, so perhaps the influx of deep speed will lead to an uptick in downfield production from Darnold, but he has room to improve in all areas of the field. While the Jets still have work to do to better surround Darnold with talent, he'll need to show enough improvement so to keep the hope for the future alive. RUNNING BACK Le’ Veon Bell kicked off the first year of his four-year contract with a 73.8 overall grade, good for 21st during the regular season. Nothing sums up the running back’s dependency on their run blocking than Bell averaging 3.2 yards per carry with a 69.9 rushing grade just one year after averaging 4.0 yards per carry with a 67.7 rushing grade. The Jets had the third-lowest run-blocking grade in the league last year, and it affected Bell’s production. But as a receiver, Bell still provides mismatch opportunities when he’s split out wide, and he posted a strong receiving grade of 77.3 last season, 11th-best in the NFL. The Jets also added the ageless Frank Gore as a backup. The 16th-year veteran has averaged over 4.0 yards per carry just once since 2014, so expect him to be at the mercy of the playcall and the run blocking even more than most at this stage of his career. Fourth-round pick Lamical Perine will compete for snaps after averaging an impressive 3.7 yards after contact per rush in college last season, while veterans Kenneth Dixon, Josh Adams and Trenton Cannon round out the depth chart. This unit depends on Bell returning to his Steelers form as an every-down mismatch weapon. WIDE RECEIVER The receiving corps has been a weakness for a few years in New York, and they’re hoping the 2020 overhaul pushes this unit in the right direction. Robby Anderson was a viable deep threat, but he’s on to the Panthers, with Breshad Perriman coming in on a one-year deal to fill his role. Perriman finally showed off his first-round ability last season, posting a career-high 645 yards at 17.9 yards per reception. After dropping nine of his first 52 catchable passes in his career, Perriman only has one drop in his last 53 attempts, and if the Jets get that version, they have a viable downfield threat. Jamison Crowder returns after posting a team-high 73.9 receiving grade, with 648 of his 854 yards coming from the slot. Crowder is among the league’s best at getting open on underneath routes, making for a solid security blanket for Sam Darnold in what figures to be an important year for the third-year signal-caller. The Jets also added Denzel Mims, another big-bodied receiver with field-stretching ability, in the second round. Mims ran a limited route tree at Baylor, but he had a dominant pre-draft process that starting with him earning the highest grade among receivers at Senior Bowl practices. He should be effective on the vertical route tree, and there may be even more room to improve given the limitations in the Baylor offense. New York is also looking to reclaim another former first-rounder in Josh Doctson, whose career-high grade of 63.3 came in 2018. He’ll compete for the No. 4 spot along with Josh Malone, Braxton Berrios and others. There are plenty of question marks on paper, but the potential is there with this receiving corps if Perriman continues to progress and Mims’ size/speed profile translates quickly. TIGHT END Jets tight ends caught just 44 passes a year ago, but the team’s starter, Chris Herndon, was limited to only 18 snaps. Herndon was excellent as a fourth-round rookie in 2018, catching 39 passes for 502 yards to go with a 78.7 receiving grade, seventh-best among tight ends. He caught 17 of his 21 targets at the intermediate (10-19 yard) level that season and the Jets desperately need that kind of production once again in 2020. Behind Herndon is Ryan Griffin, a career backup whose 61.9 overall grade last season was his first above 60.0 since his rookie year in 2013. Trevon Wesco, a 2019 fourth-rounder, will also see time as more of a run-game specialist after grading at 64.0 as a run-blocker last season. This looks like a mid-tier unit that can sneak into the top half of the league if Herndon continues to progress after the promising start to his career. OFFENSIVE LINE The Jets have thrown plenty of resources at the offensive line this offseason, but question marks still abound. They finished just 28th in our 2019 rankings, and they will have at least three new starters in 2020. First-round pick Mekhi Becton, a mauling run blocker who has some work to do in pass protection, is the likely starter at left tackle. Becton’s college film is rare, as the 6-foot-7, 360-pounder tossed college players around like high schoolers, but his mediocre 64.7 pass-blocking grade on true pass sets is a concern. At right tackle, it’ll be a batter between free agent signing George Fant and second-year player Chuma Edoga. Fant has been a developmental project for the Seahawks, and his best work has come when playing as a sixth offensive lineman at tight end. Fant has an overall grade of just 47.6 when playing tackle, 86th out of 89 qualifiers dating back to 2016, so he remains a project. Edoga, on the other hand, was drafted in the third round back in 2019 and has potential as a pass-blocker after a strong career at USC. However, his first 421 NFL snaps did not go well, evidenced by his 48.9 overall grade and the six penalties called against him. Both starting guards return in Alex Lewis and Brian Winters, but there’s plenty of competition on the inside — Lewis has yet to grade above 60.2 in three years of significant playing time, while Winters has graded above 70.0 just once in his career (2016). Greg Van Roten comes in from Carolina, where he had a career year in 2019, finishing with a 65.6 overall grade that finished 24th among guards. Van Roten first entered the league in 2012 and has taken a roundabout path to becoming a starter, but he’s been solid over the last two years. Center has been a huge problem spot for the team, so the Jets signed another player coming off a career year in Connor McGovern, whose 72.0 overall grade tied for ninth among centers during the 2019 regular season. However, McGovern posted a 48.9 grade in 2017 and a 58.8 mark in 2018, so New York will be hoping they got the 2019 version in free agency. DEFENSIVE LINE So much of what the Jets expect from their defensive front relies on the development of Quinnen Williams, who was the Jets’ top pick of the 2019 NFL Draft. Williams was one of the best interior prospects we have ever seen and earned the highest pass-rush grade we have ever given to an interior pass-rusher, but his rookie season was a letdown, particularly in the one area he was supposed to excel — generating pressure. The Alabama product notched just 19 total pressures across 349 pass-rushing snaps a season ago, making him one of the least efficient pass-rushers in the league. And while his run defense was solid, that’s not why you draft a player with the third overall pick. If Williams can show why he was such a coveted prospect and become a force as a pass-rusher in Year 2, he has the potential to transform this unit single-handedly. Outside of Williams, the defensive line is populated by solid players who largely defend the run better than they rush the passer. Steve McLendon played the second-most snaps of the group last year after Williams, and his PFF run-defense grade was 81.4, second only to Folorunso Fatukasi on the team. Henry Anderson had a down year in 2019 but has shown the ability to be solid across the board, and he will likely have to fend off competition from Nathan Shepherd and rookie Jabari Zuniga for playing time. Meanwhile, the edge remains a problem for the Jets — as it has for a number of years. Tarell Basham, Jordan Jenkins and Kyle Phillips all topped 500 snaps in 2019, but none of them were able to generate more than 40 total pressures or earn a pass-rushing grade north of 70.0. Once more, it’s difficult to see who the obvious source of edge rush pressure for this team will be, and that has been the Jets’ Achilles’ heel for the better part of a decade. Overall, the Jets defensive line is not swimming in high-end talent, but the one player who was supposed to possess that in abundance could break out and change the entire dynamic of the group. The development of Quinnen Williams likely determines how good this group can be in 2020. New York Jets: Pass-rush grades and ranks (2016-19) Year Pass-rush grade Rank 2016 56.6 29 2017 63.6 27 2018 69.1 16 2019 67.2 24 LINEBACKER The Jets linebackers had the third-lowest overall grade in the NFL last season, at 45.7, and their downward spiral started with C.J. Mosley playing only 114 snaps on the year. Mosley was injured in Week 1 before playing 68 snaps in Week 7, but that was all we saw from the sixth-year linebacker after he signed a five-year, $85 million contract before the season. A healthy Mosley will give the unit a boost, though it will always be challenging for him to live up to that contract, especially given that he’s graded in the 70s in four of his five full seasons. Avery Williamson also returns to the mix after missing all of 2019. His previous two efforts were the best of his career, as he posted a 73.5 grade in 2018 and an 80.2 grade in 2017. When healthy, Williamson is another good run defender who has never graded above 60.7 in coverage, so there are limits to his game. In order to fill that void in coverage, the Jets need a step forward from 2019 fifth-rounder Blake Cashman after he graded at just 49.1 overall on 424 snaps last season. He was, however, an excellent coverage player in college. Other returning linebackers include James Burgess and Neville Hewitt, who both graded below 55.0 overall last season while playing significant time. The Jets should see a bump in production from their linebackers this season if they stay healthy. SECONDARY The Jets are in an unusual position of having all the talent — at least as long as Jamal Adams is still in town — in the safety position, and not at cornerback. Adams, for his part, might be the best safety in the game. He is ranked No. 20 on the PFF50 — a list of the best 50 players in football entering the season — and is a true difference-maker on defense for the Jets. Adams can line up anywhere on defense, do anything asked of him and do it all to a high level, and that makes him one of the most versatile players in the game on either side of the ball. Over the past two seasons, he has PFF grades of at least 78.0 in every category PFF tracks and has done so for two straight seasons. Alongside Adams, Marcus Maye has shown the ability to be an impressive coverage player on the back end. Though he only had one pick in 2019, he also had six pass breakups and the best PFF coverage grade (77.4) of his career. Cornerback is more of an unknown landscape for the team, with Pierre Desir, Arthur Maulet and Nate Hairston, among others, making up a stable of veterans looking to try and secure a starting job with some above-average play. Desir has the best stretch of play on his resume of the group — an overall PFF grade of 77.7 in 2018 — but even he is coming off the lowest grade of his career (58.8). The team also added Bryce Hall in the fifth round of the draft; he is a talented player who could be a potential steal if he can get back to his 2018 play. The side also rolled the dice with multiple undrafted free agents, the most notable of whom may be Utah’s Javelin Guidry. Cornerback is a significant question mark for this team, with only Brian Poole having any kind of consistent track record to bank on. Poole was the team’s best-graded corner last season (79.0) and allowed just one touchdown on 53 targets. DEVELOPMENT NEEDED: DI QUINNEN WILLIAMS While Darnold is the obvious choice for the most important player, Williams also must show improvement from his rookie campaign. After posting the highest-graded season from an interior defensive lineman in the PFF College era, Williams was just OK as a rookie, and his 57.5 pass-rush grade raised concerns. He produced only 19 pressures on 349 rushes, and even if his run defense gets back to the expected college level, Williams must get after the quarterback at a high rate in order to justify the No. 3 selection in the draft. Many defensive lineman take a big leap in Year 2, and we expect to see that from Williams in 2020. DRAFT CLASS REVIEW The Jets may actually have the most “boom or bust” draft class, as their first three picks all have the skills to become good starters, but they also come with question marks. From Mekhi Becton’s lack of true pass sets to Mims coming from a limited route tree and Ashtyn Davis not working out at the scouting combine, all three players have questions to answer. Throw in Bryce Hall as a fifth-rounder with Day 2 skills, and the results of this class could be a slam dunk in three years. BEST BET Our favorite to finish last in the AFC East, the Jets enter a make or break season for Sam Darnold. 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shevys Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Last place? Eff this writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, shevys said: Last place? Eff this writer. Last place sounds about right to me. Pat's still have bellicheck. & The Bills are built better than us right now You can argue we are better than the dolphins. But I can't blame the writer for picking us last. we have finished in last place 4 times in the past 6 seasons. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: Last place sounds about right to me. Pat's still have bellicheck. & The Bills are built better than us right now You can argue we are better than the dolphins. But I can't blame the writer for picking us last. we have finished in last place 4 times in the past 6 seasons. I guess we shall see. I’m optimistic we’ll be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2020 Good to see Fant graded out just as badly as I thought when watching him. What a disastrous pickup he is. Genuine trash. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Would be great if some crafty member of JN could put together a poll on how everybody rank the teams in the division. I am unfortunately too busy casting...objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Meh, not surprising, this team is trash and the only superstar wants out. Not a good recipe for success. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Reading this article is quite depressing. It certainly feels like the Jets have downgraded the roster, which was already one of the - if not the - worst in the league. They are really counting on the many high risk draft picks from panning out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Seems like we have a lot of potential that it will be up to the CS to bring out. That said, I can see why the writer picked us to finish last. Other that Williams, this CS has done nothing to inspire confidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, JiF said: Meh, not surprising, this team is trash and the only superstar wants out. Not a good recipe for success. This is a full roster of JAGS, has beens, potential youth and Adams. And almost this entire board can't wait to get rid of the only legitimately good player on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Reading this article is quite depressing. It certainly feels like the Jets have downgraded the roster, which was already one of the - if not the - worst in the league. They are really counting on the many high risk draft picks from panning out. Its one thing to say you dont think they've done enough Its another to go full bore pessimist and plaim they downgraded their roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: This is a full roster of JAGS, has beens, potential youth and Adams. And almost this entire board can't wait to get rid of the only legitimately good player on the team. Haven't you heard. He tweets We hate tweeters, they have to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: This is a full roster of JAGS, has beens, potential youth and Adams. And almost this entire board can't wait to get rid of the only legitimately good player on the team. It's pretty much how this pans out every single time the Jets actually find a player. Jets fans hate good Football players because they say things and want to get paid. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Its one thing to say you dont think they've done enough Its another to go full bore pessimist and plaim they downgraded their roster. Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is is - potential. Mosley and Williamson healthy with addition of Desir, I do believe makes this team better on D. It's the offense I'm worried about. The WR's are huge question mark and they're trying to break in a brand new OL with no preseason. It's not a good recipe for success, especially considering how bad the coach staff was adjusting the offense to the play of the OL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2-2 6-2 2-2 That's the Jets path to 10-6 and our AFCE title. I could easily make the case that we open the season 4-0. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Lots of reasons wherever you look for optimists to feel encouraged by the upcoming campaign. But I get it, we are just talking about potential at this point. I am fine being under the radar. Win a couple early that we are not expected to win and we will be co-favorites with the Bill to take the division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. Without the injury bug of course The OL is improved The WR unit is improved The CBs are improved With Herndon back, emergence of Griffin, the TEs are improved The RB are improved With Mosely and Williamson the LBs are vastly improved. Tell me where we've downgraded. You know other than just feeling like we did 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, JiF said: Mosley and Williamson healthy with addition of Desir, I do believe makes this team better on D. It's the offense I'm worried about. The WR's are huge question mark and they're trying to break in a brand new OL with no preseason. It's not a good recipe for success, especially considering how bad the coach staff was adjusting the offense to the play of the OL. I agree if Mosley returns to form the defense, I do agree the defense will be better. - but after that injury I am very skeptical of that happening. But it certainly does seem like Adams won’t be back and that’s a massive loss. Offense, I worry about the Tackles more than anything else. We lost our two starters from last year and replaced them with one of the worst T’s in all of football and a rookie that wasn’t a very good pass blocker in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: agree if Mosley returns to form the defense, I do agree the defense will be better. - but after that injury I am very skeptical of that happening. It was an abdominal tear, not career threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is is - potential. OL is downgraded? We added a legitimate top 10 center. We added legitimate pass blocking talent at Guard. We added a high end prospect at LT. Unless Becton is a huge problem this is a better unit. If it ends up ranked 22nd it’s an enormous upgrade. WR is a wash compared to last year. That’s not a good thing but at least there’s potential. We haven’t had potential in a while. TE are better by virtue of not having Herndon be suspended. Plus Wesco became a better player as the year went on. If Herndon is his rookie self (no improvement) then he’s top 15 in the league. LBs are better by virtue of getting our top guys back. The DL is where there’s hope. Young guys that are still getting better who were all really good last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. What's wrong with potential? OL: McGovern and Becton (however you might feel about him) are upgrades. Van Roten and Fant are potential upgrades. Pretty good work there. WR: Perriman for Anderson is probably a wash, Doctson's a wild card, Mims should be an improvement over Thomas. Overall, a better unit than last year, but I'll certainly give you that it's not complete. TE: Herndon's return means improvement. RB: Gore and Perine should be better than Powell and Montgomery, just on the strength of Montgomery being useless here. QB: Adding Flacco and drafting a QB in the fourth over Siemian and Falk isn't a clear improvement? Also, Darnold should be expected to continue to improve. The defense, I'm not as concerned about, but Mosley coming back from injury, QW not having a high ankle sprain all year, Desir holding down one CB job, and Davis and Zuniga probably seeing real playing time should all point to a somewhat improved unit (Mosley alone does that) even if Adams is traded. Joe Douglas didn't try to fix everything in one off season and I'm happy with his approach. While you're writing off draft picks as "nothing but potential," he's trying to build a team thru the draft - you know, the way perennial winners do it. It's a work in progress, but that's what happens after six years of misguided and incompetent general management. Definitely think the roster is upgraded and has upside beyond that. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Our favorite to finish last in the AFC East, Can't argue with that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, SAR I said: I could easily make the case that we open the season 4-0. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. OL downgraded? Seriously WTF. It is the most upgraded group on the Jets. It is simply impossible to make an argument that they downgraded. Not exactly who you think we lost that matters other than Anderson but Mims and Perriman are probably both better. Safety flat? After adding Davis.,...sure. One of the dumber posts I have ever seen. There is no possible argument that the Jets roster is worse. Literally none. Go soothe your Adams butt hurt elsewhere rather than just trolling 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindOverMatter Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Where do you see the upgrade? Beyond draft picks... Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. OLine we signed McGovern which alone is a massive upgrade over the traffic cones we had playing at C last year. Fant has a lot to prove but Beachum was below average. Becton has massive potential. How is WR a downgrade? If anything it's a wash. Losing Anderson kinda sucks I guess, but is he worth crying over? Perriman could easily replace his production, and the way he ended the season is better than any point in Robbies career. Mims also has massive potential. Defense as a whole will be better. Quinnen 2nd year, Mosley and Avery coming back, more depth and talent in the secondary with Bless in his 2nd year, Desir, Wilson back in a Defense that runs man, Hall has talent... Only a huge pessimist can see this years team and see nothing but downgrades. Factor in the 2019 draft class and it's night and day. Davis will play, Zuniga will get 3rd down reps, Perine will play, Becton and Mims will eventually start. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Offense - OL - downgraded, WR, downgraded, RB flat to downgraded, TE flat, QB - flat Defense - DL - flat, LB - flat, corners - upgraded, safety - flat. What I see is a roster that is worse than it was last year, not a lot worse but still less overall talent. Sure, we had a lot of injuries so we could get a boost from just being healthy, but heath is always a variable. There is an awful lot of potential that was drafted, but that's all it is - potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said: Only a huge pessimist can see this years team and see nothing but downgrades. I think you might be onto something! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: at Bills - We beat them last year, Sam Darnold has never lost in Orchard Park. 49ers - No preseason, their first long road trip and a 10AM start to boot. at Colts - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. Broncos - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, slats said: Joe Douglas didn't try to fix everything in one off season and I'm happy with his approach. While you're writing off draft picks as "nothing but potential," he's trying to build a team thru the draft - you know, the way perennial winners do it. It's a work in progress, but that's what happens after six years of misguided and incompetent general management. Definitely think the roster is upgraded and has upside beyond that. Ay, there's the rub! This will be a successful season if Douglas's draft is deemed a success and he found several foundational pieces. Beckton, Mims and Davis could/should be starting or getting a lot of reps by year end, Zuniga and Perine contribute and Clarke shows he belongs and we're on the right path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, SAR I said: at Bills - We beat them last year, Sam Darnold has never lost in Orchard Park. 49ers - No preseason, their first long road trip and a 10AM start to boot. at Colts - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. Broncos - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. SAR I 2-2 and we should be dancing in the streets 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, The Crusher said: 2-2 and we should be dancing in the streets 2-2 is a given. The question is whether 3-1 or 4-0 can be achieved. Niners on the road at 10AM during pandemic uncertainty is an advantage. Bills, Broncos, Colts aren’t world-beaters. Not seeing the fear here. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, JiF said: It's pretty much how this pans out every single time the Jets actually find a player. Jets fans hate good Football players because they say things and want to get paid. I seem to recall you hating Revis as much as anyone. Am I mistaken? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SAR I said: 2-2 is a given. The question is whether 3-1 or 4-0 can be achieved. Niners on the road at 10AM during pandemic uncertainty is an advantage. Bills, Broncos, Colts aren’t world-beaters. Not seeing the fear here. SAR I 2-2 would be a gift and a sign this is a team of destiny. Hard seltzer and high fives for everyone, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SAR I said: at Bills - We beat them last year, Sam Darnold has never lost in Orchard Park. 49ers - No preseason, their first long road trip and a 10AM start to boot. at Colts - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. Broncos - Sam owned them two years ago on a weaker team. SAR I This is your brain on drugs. JUST SAY NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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