Jamal Adams ranked #1 in ESPNs top 10 Safteys

[JohnnyLV]

People really need to get their heads out of their collective butts.

Let's look at some facts:

1. The Jets not paying Adams NOW is not the same at all as not paying him

2. Very very few 1st round players even with exceptional performance get paid in year 3. It is not common at all

3. The salary cap next year will be at best flat and possible significantly lower so "paying" Adams is much more risky

4. Sometimes both sides of an argument can be CORRECT. Adams is an ELITE safety and SS is one of the least impactful positions in football are both correct. Both are true.

5. The Jets are never ever ever going to pay Jamal 1/3 more than the current highest paid safety. Will not happen. EVER

6. The Jets will likely offer him a contract/salary maybe next year to be highest paid safety but it will be safety money not best defensive player money

7. The Jets own Adams for 3 years and he has close to zero leverage with the new CBA

8. Neither side will sway the other 1 cunny hair

Stop all the arguing. Both sides are correct. Adams is not getting paid this year, he is an elite player

[BCJet]

27 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

People really need to get their heads out of their collective butts.

Let's look at some facts:

1. The Jets not paying Adams NOW is not the same at all as not paying him

2. Very very few 1st round players even with exceptional performance get paid in year 3. It is not common at all

3. The salary cap next year will be at best flat and possible significantly lower so "paying" Adams is much more risky

4. Sometimes both sides of an argument can be CORRECT. Adams is an ELITE safety and SS is one of the least impactful positions in football are both correct. Both are true.

5. The Jets are never ever ever going to pay Jamal 1/3 more than the current highest paid safety. Will not happen. EVER

6. The Jets will likely offer him a contract/salary maybe next year to be highest paid safety but it will be safety money not best defensive player money

7. The Jets own Adams for 3 years and he has close to zero leverage with the new CBA

8. Neither side will sway the other 1 cunny hair

Stop all the arguing. Both sides are correct. Adams is not getting paid this year, he is an elite player

The bolded is completely correct (not just about Adams but about most things these days - 2 sides of an argument can both have truth to it).

As far as price, I agree with the earlier post that the roster management stuff is overblown.  Who exactly are we paying on this team that should preclude us from signing an all-pro player, regardless of position?  We dont have an elite LT, edge or QB making elite money at their position.  We have mosley who is here for 2-3 years, Bell who could be off the books in 2021, and not a single other player who makes good money on a long term, player friendly deal.

We can afford a good player, regardless of position and since Bell is only 28, if he has a good season, we can keep him with Sam for another year while we groom another young RB to pair with Perine, and then use that cap space to (hopefully) help offset a huge raise for Sam

[14 in Green]

I’ve got a feeling Adams and the Jets will agree on a new deal before the season starts in September.

[SAR I]

6 hours ago, nycdan said:

Why would we renegotiate with Mims after 2 seasons or Quinnen after 3?  isn't Jamal looking for a new deal  after 3 part of what is setting so many people off here?  I think both are likely to happen in 2023.  By then any contract we do with Jamal will be 3 years in and probably open to redoing or cutting.

I believe this is the new norm, talented guys in their 2nd or 3rd season making noise and wanting the big money prematurely.

So in that context if we're going to get strapped to a player, I'd rather it be the DL or the WR.  Maybe Becton if he beasts.  Spend that money on important positions.  S just isn't it unfortunately.

SAR I

[RobR]

9 minutes ago, SAR I said:

I believe this is the new norm, talented guys in their 2nd or 3rd season making noise and wanting the big money prematurely.

So in that context if we're going to get strapped to a player, I'd rather it be the DL or the WR.  Maybe Becton if he beasts.  Spend that money on important positions.  S just isn't it unfortunately.

SAR I

You can't renegotiate a contract until after you have played three seasons per the CBA. 

[playtowinthegame]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:03 PM, GreekJet said:

He's the second-best defensive player in football," said an NFC exec, placing Adams behind Aaron Donald in the pantheon.

A playa like that surely will fetch two first round picks. 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:03 PM, GreekJet said:

 

1. Jamal Adams, New York Jets

Age: 24 | Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 5

This wasn't all that close for some.

"He's the second-best defensive player in football," said an NFC exec, placing Adams behind Aaron Donald in the pantheon.

But Adams didn't dominate the voting in all sectors, with Vikings safety Harrison Smith pushing him for No. 1 until Adams pulled away over the final few votes.

 

pay him!

Unfortunately Covid-19 has infiltrated ESPN HQ. 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:21 PM, Warfish said:

What is our record the past two years if we didn't have Adams?

0-32 we would have had the #1 pick the last 2 years. Can’t win with Jamal can’t win without him. 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:32 PM, FidelioJet said:

I don’t know why it’s so hard for so many Jet fans to accept we have a good player on our team.

It’s like they would prefer we don’t have anyone good so they can be miserable.

You tell em FidelioJet. Many of us here know Sam is da man. 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 7:50 PM, Beerfish said:

Good in the box safety yes.

A guy that moves the needle?  No.

 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 8:22 PM, slats said:

Prez Jamal-pro Is the league’s greatest self-promoter. 

Maybe he can work for the WWF

[Wonderboy]

2 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

A playa like that surely will fetch two first round picks. 

Does Madden have a fantasy trade feature? 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 8:41 PM, GreekJet said:

Also if the Jets don’t pay Jamal who do they pay?

The next Trumaine Johnson? Landon Collins?

The Jets should focus on accumulating talent not cap space. 

Duh. That’s why JD is not going to cripple his cap space by signing a box safety to a 5 year 80-100 M contract. By signing Adams to his desired demands, it would affect numerous, more vital positions like edge, OL, WR. It’s all about the Benjis.

 

 

[Wonderboy]

12 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Very good post Sir. You nailed it!

 

[Larz]

Why did this topic get 1/10 the replies compared to the trade request thread Jets fans?

[Greenbloodblitz]

8 hours ago, Dcat said:

That's a wide spectrum right there. Fitzgerald the studious choir boy and a psycho. I'd think 99. 9% of the NFL carry themselves between those two.

Yes ..exactly my point.

I wouldn't really call Fitzgerald a studious choirboy though. To me it's more being professional. The guy carried himself the way you're supposed to. He understood how lucky and special he was and treated it as such.

Brown showing up in a hot air balloon with burning feet shows no respect for anyone at all around him.

[Wonderboy]

On 7/17/2020 at 9:21 PM, New York Mick said:

That’s a bit of a stretch. You’re comparing a punter to a DB. 
The current going rate for top safeties is $14M a season. If Adams gets $15/16 a season that’s about right for the market. 

Who says he’s a ‘top’ safety, ESPN ?He doesn’t create TO’s like Jackson, Smith, Hyde, James, Honey Badger. All he does is makes tackles off the LOS cause he’s ALWAYS in the box. 3 DL, 4 LB’s and he gets to clean up while compromising our pass defense. I wouldn’t pay him jack. 

[Sperm Edwards]

14 hours ago, GreekJet said:

Answer my question what are the Jets going to do with the cap space?

Have you guys ever seen that Family Guy episode in which Peter Griffin is offered a boat or the mystery box? “a boats a boat, but the mystery box could be anything, it can even be a boat”. 

Outside of potentially Darnold and Adams there isn’t one player the Jets need to pay big bucks to anytime soon, and most of the bad free agent signings will be off the books next year (outside of Mosley and possibly Enunwa). It’s also incredibly risky to trade Adams for a single first round pick given the teams draft record over the years. The safe play is to re-sign him and keep him with the organization for his prime. 

I agree with you in the sense that if you can get ridiculous trade value for him (multiple first round picks or the equivalent of that) you pull the trigger. However I’d also be thrilled if the Jets just locked him up and the team had a blue chip defensive player on the books for the next five years. 

Also the cap is not going to drop that much. The players union will go nuts on owners who are getting another revenue stream here with sports betting.

If you ask the question that way then the point is lost on you, but I’ll give it a try anyway.

The point is to keep one’s options open. Paying Adams more solves nothing; he’s tied to the Jets for upwards of the next 4 seasons without an extension, and in doing so the team keeps its options open to moving him if the right deal comes along specifically because the haven’t shot themselves in the foot with a huge (and unnecessary) signing bonus.

Meanwhile for all you know the Jets may need to still upgrade at a several positions yet. Just because one drafts a player at a position doesn’t therefore make the position adequately filled. If that were the case no one would sign veteran FAs and wouldn’t typically have a need to extend their own.

The team has as many question marks as it has solutions. If you seriously need them enumerated I question how closely you follow the team. Here are positions or position groups containing the not-sure-things - presuming everyone stays healthy, mind you - however badly we want them to work out:

QB, RB, WR1, TE, OLx4 on offense

DE, EDGE, other LB, CBx2 on defense

Now even the biggest pessimist wouldn’t think all of them will fail, but we won’t know which they’ll be nor how many of them. As the team gets closer to where it wants to be, presumably that list will lessen and then you make your shopping list.

I’m not saying he will be, but what if Becton is terrible? Is the team supposed to handicap itself with a stopgap LT and expect a strong safety to fully make up the difference? Is the team just going to draft someone else in its next go-for-broke opportunity and put the team’s full fate on whatever LT they draft in a year that may end up having no good LT prospects (let alone good ones as rookies).

Now repeat that for at least 4 other positions - quite easily more - and see how quickly that dries up. 

The attitude you convey is one that stipulates car & health insurance is unnecessary for you this year because you don’t think you’ll get into an accident or very sick or both, and aren’t planning on buying a house either this year or next, so you can instead spend your incoming cash and all your savings on a sweet vette that you don’t need. 

Worst of all - as though any other reason is necessary - is the elephant in the room of how extending Adams now is 100% pointless.

[Sperm Edwards]

14 hours ago, bitonti said:

The cap is not going to drop. The cba was just signed. The owners have no recourse to shrink the cap.

And watching teams like KC, CLE and Ten pay their stars, no one really thinks this is a possibility.

Except for the Jets fans looking for a reason to demonize the teams best player

 

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CLE is not a team to emulate.

TEN looked like CLE South until they stepped in s**t with Tannehill last year. 

KC is a contender right now and was a contender for years, even before they drafted Mahomes, but that has only increased since he moved into the starting role. Huge difference as the Jets bear no such similarity. Now if the Jets were more or less with a current contender roster except for strong safety, that would change the dynamics of the discussion. But they’re not.

Also the only player KC extended early was the singularly unique Mahomes, and because he’s a QB and they got him locked up for a decade time will show that saved them money overall. The opposite is true with Adams, whose going rate even as a UFA would not significantly rise above his current ~$22MM/year demand (if he even got within 10% of that). Not now, not a year from not, nor the year after that, nor the year after that, and probably not the year after that either. But 3 years from now Mahomes could have gotten a LTD with a conservative minimum of another $5MM/year every year. 

Extending Mahomes early was prudent future planning.

Extending Adams early, at the numbers being discussed, really serves no purpose.

[New York Mick]

51 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Who says he’s a ‘top’ safety, ESPN ?He doesn’t create TO’s like Jackson, Smith, Hyde, James, Honey Badger. All he does is makes tackles off the LOS cause he’s ALWAYS in the box. 3 DL, 4 LB’s and he gets to clean up while compromising our pass defense. I wouldn’t pay him jack. 

Everyone outside of a handful of jet fans. 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

Who says he’s a ‘top’ safety, ESPN ?He doesn’t create TO’s like Jackson, Smith, Hyde, James, Honey Badger. All he does is makes tackles off the LOS cause he’s ALWAYS in the box. 3 DL, 4 LB’s and he gets to clean up while compromising our pass defense. I wouldn’t pay him jack. 

ESPN didnt rate anyone or say he was the top safety.  30 NFL GMs did.

Apparently none are Jets fans so they dont hate Jamal and think hes like the 10th best S

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

Everyone outside of a handful of jet fans. 

 

[T0mShane]

13 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Stop all the arguing. Both sides are correct.

Jamal Adams sucks

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

ESPN didnt rate anyone or say he was the top safety.  30 NFL GMs did.

Apparently none are Jets fans so they dont hate Jamal and think hes like the 10th best S

If they really thought he was the best safety, they’d have traded for him by now.

[AFJF]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If they really thought he was the best safety, they’d have traded for him by now.

Or they subscribe to the widely held belief that safeties don't carry much value.  If Patrick Mahomes wanted out of KC, teams would be lining up to give up picks to get him.  Same goes for Aaron Donald.  Same goes for whoever the best CB is, or whoever the best LT is.  Jamal, whether he's the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th best safety doesn't matter.  What matters is that up to now, nobody has been willing to give up whatever it is the Jets are asking for in trade.  This may have come as a shock to Jamal who almost certainly expected teams to give up whatever it took to get his services.

[T0mShane]

28 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Or they subscribe to the widely held belief that safeties don't carry much value.  If Patrick Mahomes wanted out of KC, teams would be lining up to give up picks to get him.  Same goes for Aaron Donald.  Same goes for whoever the best CB is, or whoever the best LT is.  Jamal, whether he's the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th best safety doesn't matter.  What matters is that up to now, nobody has been willing to give up whatever it is the Jets are asking for in trade.  This may have come as a shock to Jamal who almost certainly expected teams to give up whatever it took to get his services.

100% Also worth noting that the one recorded trade discussion we saw involved Jerry Jones not willing to part with a (projected at the time) first round pick in the twenties and a third rounder, and that was during a realistic Super Bowl run for the Cowboys. And you know what? Jones was right because he ended up with CeeDee Lamb and Haha Clinton Dix, who will give him the same production as Jamal for a quarter of the cost. 

[slats]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

If they really thought he was the best safety, they’d have traded for him by now.

Lol, right? What's the second best defensive player in the game worth in a trade? I'm sure Joe Douglas will pick up the phone to see what you have to offer. 

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm sure Joe Douglas will pick up the phone to see what you have to offer. 

But picking up the phone and listening to someone else's interest is disrespecting Jamal.  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

If they really thought he was the best safety, they’d have traded for him by now.

Right.

Not giving up assets in a deal, not being able to fit a player under your cap, means you dont think hes the best.

Kind of like like with Ferraris.  If I really thought they were the best, I would have two in my driveway today.

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Right.

Not giving up assets in a deal, not being able to fit a player under your cap, means you dont think hes the best.

Kind of like like with Ferraris.  If I really thought they were the best, I would have two in my driveway today.

GMs: Jamal is the best safety!

Also GMs: He’s not worth a first rounder at this point and I’m not paying him either. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

GMs: Jamal is the best safety!

Also GMs: He’s not worth a first rounder at this point and I’m not paying him either. 

1.  You think that all JD is asking for is a 1st?  

2.  Not wanting to give up multiple picks or an all pro player means Jamal isnt as good as everyone says he is?  

3.  Why did they lie and rank him higher than they actually thought he should be ranked?

4.  Why cant any of you in the anti Jamal crowd just say you want the picks or dont want him instead of trying to prove the whole world doesnt understand how good he is.  Not his coaches, not his FO, not the majority of fans, not opponents fans, not NFL players, not ex NFL players, not sports writers, not NFL  GMs.   Only a handful of Jets fans do?  Because just wanting him gone would be a smarter argument given the fact of the matter

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

4.  Why cant any of you in the anti Jamal crowd just say you want the picks or dont want him instead of trying to prove the whole world doesnt understand how good he is.  

The evidence leads to the conclusion that Jamal is a good safety and that’s not worth a whole lot on the open market. 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The evidence leads to the conclusion that Jamal is a good safety and that’s not worth a whole lot on the open market. 

There isnt a shred of evidence that says because you cant afford something, or arent willing to buy something is isnt really good.  

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Lol, right? What's the second best defensive player in the game worth in a trade? I'm sure Joe Douglas will pick up the phone to see what you have to offer. 

By all means, let this NFC executive step up and hand over 2 1st rounders for this great player, today.  Don't think it will happens because talk is cheap and plentiful. There are a lot of dumb people working for NFL teams,  and it's also possible said NFC executive is entirely imaginary.ANYONE working for an NFL team in 2020 who values ANY safety that high is  a MORON. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

There isnt a shred of evidence that says because you cant afford something, or arent willing to buy something is isnt   really good.  

Literally every team has the available resources to “buy” Jamal Adams, especially when you consider the fact that he marked himself down by not requiring the re-up this offseason to facilitate a trade. Any team could buy the “best safety in the game” for a couple of draft picks and ~$5 million bucks.