FidelioJet Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: @FidelioJet I could live with a slow rebuild - but you gotta actually try and rebuild and not sign others teams backups on one year deals. You’re not rebuilding anything that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I could live with a slow rebuild - but you gotta actually try and rebuild and not sign others teams backups on one year deals. You’re not rebuilding anything that way. Slow rebuilds involve avoiding massive overpays on multi-year contracts, particularly in the first offseason of the rebuild. 1-year deals are exactly how you "rebuild that way"; by not making long-term commitments until its prudent to do so. Nothing you've advocated is how a team rebuilds. What you've advocated are quick fixes that actually fix nothing. Especially since the players you wanted to be added were castoffs from other organizations who saw fit NOT to keep them around. Does that sound sustainable to you? Joe Douglas has a 6-year contract here, not a 2-year contract. Year 1 was not going to be about signing the Jack Conklin's of the world. Next year he'll reassess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: I could live with a slow rebuild - but you gotta actually try and rebuild and not sign others teams backups on one year deals. You’re not rebuilding anything that way. Those one-year deals can lead to compensatory draft picks. Belichick has been doing it for some time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 hours ago, JetsFanShawn said: why cant we win lack of caching not enough wepones Dint score enough points and utter teams score 2 manny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 fwiw...Jets win a championship under Joe D. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 We cast win because Joe Namath made a deal with the devil to win superbowl 3. In exchange the Jets can never win it again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Jetscode1 said: fwiw...Jets win a championship under Joe D. Agreed. Because he's not the type to pay big money to the likes of Jamal Adams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afjetsfan Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 18 hours ago, SAR I said: I find your lack of faith disturbing. SAR I This has happened twice in 50 years. Jets Division Wins compared to rest of NFL Chart is from Jun 2019. So doesn't include last season. Rk Team Div Titles Seasons Perc Exp Div Titles Diff 1 Cowboys 24 59 41% 12.38 194% 2 Patriots 20 49 41% 10.65 188% 3 Vikings 20 58 34% 12.61 159% 4 Packers 27 97 28% 18.67 145% 5 Colts 19 66 29% 13.57 140% 6 Broncos 15 49 31% 10.95 137% 7 Dolphins 14 49 29% 10.65 131% 8 Giants 23 94 24% 18.15 127% 9 49ers 19 69 28% 15.24 125% 10 Steelers 23 86 27% 18.59 124% 11 Browns 18 66 27% 14.62 123% 12 Raiders 13 49 27% 10.95 119% 13 Bears 22 97 23% 18.67 118% 14 Texans 5 17 29% 4.25 118% 15 Rams 20 82 24% 17.81 112% 16 Panthers 6 24 25% 5.65 106% 17 Seahawks 10 43 23% 9.45 106% 18 Ravens 5 23 22% 5.35 93% 19 Chargers 10 49 20% 10.95 91% 20 Redskins 15 87 17% 17.6 85% 21 Bengals 10 49 20% 11.8 85% 22 Chiefs 9 49 18% 10.95 82% 23 Eagles 14 86 16% 17.47 80% 24 Bills 7 49 14% 10.65 66% 25 Buccaneers 6 43 14% 9.45 63% 26 Saints 7 52 13% 12.6 56% 27 Falcons 7 53 13% 12.73 55% 28 Jaguars 3 24 13% 5.55 54% 29 Lions 8 89 9% 18.14 44% 30 Cardinals 8 97 8% 18.35 44% 31 Titans 5 49 10% 11.8 42% 32 Jets 2 49 4% 10.65 19% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, afjetsfan said: Chart is from Jun 2019. So doesn't include last season. So there's a chance! SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 15 hours ago, Arsis said: We cast win because Joe Namath made a deal with the devil to win superbowl 3. In exchange the Jets can never win it again. The Jets challenge is that you can't name another team that has had the following Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks pass through their division from 1990 to 2020: Dan Marino Jim Kelly Peyton Manning Tom Brady Everyone in the old AFC East got their franchise quarterback except us. The good news? As we in the post-Namath era know, it takes forever to find your franchise guy once you've lost him, so the Patriots are dead for decades, the Bills shot their shot and missed, and the Dolphins picked up Mr. Injury. If Sam is who we think he is, get ready for 10+ years of Jets dominance, folks. We've got the franchise quarterback, finally, and the rest have Geno Smith. SAR I 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Because bad fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Because of GASE... A limited roster and a swarm of injuries didnt stop Gregg Williams and his defense from putting up a great scrap. They played good enough to win in all but three games. Only the Ravens, Raiders and Pats make the defense look poor. In every other game, they could have and would have won with an offense that was not last in the league. Get rid of Gase and you get playoffs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 23 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: We barely missed out a bunch of times on potential franchise changing events. Belichick Peyton Favre Russell Wilson Lawrence Taylor lawrence taylor? giaints picked 2nd and the jets picked 3rd. hopefully the 2018 draft will have different results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 6:10 PM, JetsFanShawn said: why cant we win lack of caching not enough wepones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 6:10 PM, JetsFanShawn said: why cant we win lack of caching not enough wepones I fully admit this was not the best of times to get a double post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, SAR I said: The Jets challenge is that you can't name another team that has had the following Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks pass through their division from 1990 to 2020: Dan Marino Jim Kelly Peyton Manning Tom Brady Everyone in the old AFC East got their franchise quarterback except us. The good news? As we in the post-Namath era know, it takes forever to find your franchise guy once you've lost him, so the Patriots are dead for decades, the Bills shot their shot and missed, and the Dolphins picked up Mr. Injury. If Sam is who we think he is, get ready for 10+ years of Jets dominance, folks. We've got the franchise quarterback, finally, and the rest have Geno Smith. SAR I and think about that last point for a minute. we just saw mahomes get 500 million over 10 seasons but there are a heck of a lot more qb's like josh allen or mayfield out there. are the other afc east teams going to pay big bucks for their loser qb's? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Because of GASE... A limited roster and a swarm of injuries didnt stop Gregg Williams and his defense from putting up a great scrap. They played good enough to win in all but three games. Only the Ravens, Raiders and Pats make the defense look poor. In every other game, they could have and would have won with an offense that was not last in the league. Get rid of Gase and you get playoffs... Just like getting rid of Bowles got us to the playoffs, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 jets can win just fine but it's hard when the team is hamstrung by front office mismanagement and a gm (or 2 or 3) who just made bad draft picks and free agent signings year in and year out. not to mention hiring first time head coaches instead of at least going into the college ranks. there's just way too much earning while learning going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 18 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I could live with a slow rebuild - but you gotta actually try and rebuild and not sign others teams backups on one year deals. You’re not rebuilding anything that way. Signing journeymen to contracts that are longer than a year and pay more than needed is often a big issue why teams can't rebuild properly. The Jets operated that way for a while until Idzik cleared the cap, but he couldn't draft for his life. What players could they have signed which they didn't sign? The guard from the Pats* was franchised. The tackle which washington traded to sf had many question marks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just like getting rid of Bowles got us to the playoffs, eh? I was never Anti-Bowles. In fact, I think with a good GM behind him Bowles could coach a solid team. By no means was he a charlatan like Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Signing journeymen to contracts that are longer than a year and pay more than needed is often a big issue why teams can't rebuild properly. The Jets operated that way for a while until Idzik cleared the cap, but he couldn't draft for his life. What players could they have signed which they didn't in? The guard from the Pats* was franchised. The tackle which washington traded to sf had many question marks. Fidelio wanted to throw no-knees Jack Conklin a bunch of money. I think he also wanted Graham Glasgow. Because those 2 guys would have surely solved all our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, rangerous said: lawrence taylor? giaints picked 2nd and the jets picked 3rd. hopefully the 2018 draft will have different results. Had we not won the meaningless game against the Dolphins (below) we would've been in position to draft LT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 22 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Biggs said: The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. 1 hour ago, Biggs said: The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. 1 hour ago, Biggs said: The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. 1 hour ago, Biggs said: The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. So you're going with lack of caching? It sure can cause massive performance degradation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, THE BARON said: Because of GASE... A limited roster and a swarm of injuries didnt stop Gregg Williams and his defense from putting up a great scrap. They played good enough to win in all but three games. Only the Ravens, Raiders and Pats make the defense look poor. In every other game, they could have and would have won with an offense that was not last in the league. Get rid of Gase and you get playoffs... SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 1:37 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: We barely missed out a bunch of times on potential franchise changing events. Belichick Peyton Favre Russell Wilson Lawrence Taylor Bosa, Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanese Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I say it's spelling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 2:19 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: Had we not won the meaningless game against the Dolphins (below) we would've been in position to draft LT. Was just watching a video on LT and imagining how ridiculous it would have been had we had LT to go along with the Sack Exchange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 11:21 AM, Biggs said: The best coach in the history of the league didn't want to work for our owner. Vince Lombardi didnt want to work for our owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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