AFJF Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 High profile players speaking out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. This posturing by athletes and owners on social media to try an sway public opinion to their side is getting tired. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. This posturing by athletes and owners on social media to try an sway public opinion to their side is getting tired. We just went through all of this with baseball. Collective eye roll from fans at this point and rightfully so. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. This posturing by athletes and owners on social media to try an sway public opinion to their side is getting tired. Yea my guess is the owners are fine with using replacement players knowing that the high profile guys won't be opting out. Only player I think may opt out, and probably should, is Dalvin Cook. Guy is set to make $2m going into the last year of his deal, Vikings should pay him or risk not making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. This posturing by athletes and owners on social media to try an sway public opinion to their side is getting tired. Curious to see if so many opt out that teams are signing guys at PS level or below as starters. Could get interesting. Owners will highlight mortality rate among young and healthy which is which I believe is below 0.3%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post T0mShane Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 I’m old enough to remember when the players couldn’t wait to get back on the field and take a pay cut with no extant plan for testing. 4 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Not For Long 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 There is no safe way to do it you can’t effectively quarantine everyone involved for months they will spread it to more vulnerable people 100 % guaranteed it’s too much close proximity contact for too long 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RutgersJetFan Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 Replace “football players” with health care workers and school faculty/staff and these are pretty much the same complaints with anyone being asked to go back to work in hotzones. Only the latter gets paid about 8 zillion percent less and the majority of Americans give far less of a sh*t about them. But yes the players are clearly the bad guys here. Not the owners doing their draft picks from Scrooge McDuck yachts as they have escorts phone in their picks for them. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 Sports starved fans telling players to shut up and just risk getting COVID-19, not to have concerns is kind of weak. Concerns over family and your own health should rightfully be met with an eye roll? From experience, you dont want this virus and should be very concerned no matter who you are 9 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Did you guys read any of the posts from players? They all said this “we want to play” season confirmed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Then opt out fellas. It's that simple. Most of you won't, because you aren't as legitimately concerned as you want people to think. many RB/WR types 25 years and under getting paid 2 mil and under are going to opt out it's going to happen Alvin Kamara is an example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’m old enough to remember when the players couldn’t wait to get back on the field and take a pay cut with no extant plan for testing. I'm old enough too - like remember 1987 when the league cycled through scabs rather than give the players a deal involving free agency ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpain Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Sports starved fans telling players to shut up and risk getting COVID, not to have concerns is kind of weak. Concerns over family and your own health should rightfully be met with an eye roll? From experience, you dont want this virus and should be very concerned What's your recommended course then ? Personally as much as I want to see them play (and be safe), I see a regular season full of pre season quality football being thrown at us. Players opting to not play, injuries from no off season programs, rookies with no practice time, new coaching staffs having limited time with heir teams, to what would not be surprising, and that's positive test for a teams position group forcing teams to possibly play with lower quality street players filling in while those guys are quarenteed. Hard to see this not being a sh*t show for the fan and just a money grab by owners and players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, bitonti said: many RB/WR types 25 years and under getting paid 2 mil and under are going to opt out it's going to happen Alvin Kamara is an example Hmmm, I would think the older guys with a 20 million + earned money they held onto some are more likely to sit out., Younger dude needing to earn that big payday may be more likely to ball out. If some stars sit out these young dudes may get to Showcase their talents. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Larz said: There is no safe way to do it you can’t effectively quarantine everyone involved for months they will spread it to more vulnerable people 100 % guaranteed it’s too much close proximity contact for too long They need to quarantine. Bubble time. They get paid enough. It’s only 4 months. Suck it up buttercup. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Jetpain said: What's your recommended course then ? Personally as much as I want to see them play (and be safe), I see a regular season full of pre season quality football being thrown at us. Players opting to not play, injuries from no off season programs, rookies with no practice time, new coaching staffs having limited time with heir teams, to what would not be surprising, and that's positive test for a teams position group forcing teams to possibly play with lower quality street players filling in while those guys are quarenteed. Hard to see this not being a sh*t show for the fan and just a money grab by owners and players I think the league needs to put in real, recommended safeguards that leaves the players feeling like all that can be done is being done. And still some will opt out, will feel like the risk/reward isnt enough. Its hard dealing with an issue that has such a disparity between people over the severity of the virus and the way to safely deal with it. The opinions are going to be drastically different by different players. And what makes it harder is beliefs and experiences that lead to all these different opinions are impossible to argue against. How do you tell someone that their fear of a potentially deadly virus is wrong? Especially by fans who really dont give a shlt about players getting COVID-19? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Hmmm, I would think the older guys with a 20 million + earned money they held onto some are more likely to sit out., Younger dude needing to earn that big payday may be more likely to ball out. If some stars sit out these young dudes may get to Showcase their talents. yeah but RB career length is too short and if any of these guys get lung capacity problems they won't get second deals it's one thing to be Zeke and mess around with getting Covid. The Boys already paid him to be clear CmC and these other deals are being driven by preventing the opt out language in their previous contracts not everyone has those opt out clauses Kittle is another example but he seems like the type that would always play no matter what Corey Davis is an example of a guy who could just say See ya in 2021 and not lose to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Hmmm, I would think the older guys with a 20 million + earned money they held onto some are more likely to sit out., Younger dude needing to earn that big payday may be more likely to ball out. If some stars sit out these young dudes may get to Showcase their talents. Not sure but 20 mil plus means walking from almost 2 mil per week check over those 17 weeks. Might be harder to walk away from. Plus they've been collecting that or their bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CTM Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, bitonti said: many RB/WR types 25 years and under getting paid 2 mil and under are going to opt out it's going to happen Alvin Kamara is an example Who cares.. what's sad about this is there are a ton of people getting 0 government assistance and making very little money with sh*t benefits that are forced to go work in warehouses, manufacturing, grocery stores, delivery services, farms etc,, so the rest of us can survive. Meanwhile unemployed people get 3-4k a month between state and local benefits. Hopefully that is rectified shortly Have a hard time giving a crap about millionaires and billionaires, play / don't play- meh 6 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: yeah but RB career length is too short and if any of these guys get lung capacity problems they won't get second deals it's one thing to be Zeke and mess around with getting Covid. The Boys already paid him to be clear CmC and these other deals are being driven by preventing the opt out language in their previous contracts not everyone has those opt out clauses Kittle is another example but he seems like the type that would always play no matter what Corey Davis is an example of a guy who could just say See ya in 2021 and not lose to it Didn’t think of it like that. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, CTM said: Who cares.. what's sad about this is there are a ton of people getting 0 government assistance and making very little money with sh*t benefits that are forced to go work in warehouses, manufacturing, grocery stores, delivery services, farms etc,, so the rest of us can survive. Meanwhile unemployed people get 3-4k a month between state and local benefits. Hopefully that is rectified shortly Have a hard time giving a crap about millionaires and billionaires, play / don't play- meh this is called what about ism and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china put it another way you're right all those essential workers deserve more but Alvin Kamara shouldn't make a dumb career move cause he feels bad for the UPS guy everyone has to make a cost benefit analysis with this thing, and it's different calculation for everyone. Mark Andrews TE Baltimore has Diabetes type 1 and has said he will be a role model to the kids who have diabetes and have to go to school. That's his choice and it's heroic but heroism is not common. Not everyone is a hero. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Here's the issue. Saying "we want to play" is lip service to the fans. There is no way to completely mitigate risk for the players catching/spreading it except to have bubble cities where they are shut in from the public and their families. No player would sign up for that and its not feasible. There has to be some sort of compromise from the players because as of right now it sounds like they just want to show up on Sundays and play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Sports starved fans telling players to shut up and risk getting COVID-19, not to have concerns is kind of weak. Concerns over family and your own health should rightfully be met with an eye roll? From experience, you dont want this virus and should be very concerned They can have concerns. All of America has concerns. They have the option to not play if they feel the risk outweighs the reward. It's not about having concerns. It's about the disingenuous posturing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Replace “football players” with health care workers and school faculty/staff and these are pretty much the same complaints with anyone being asked to go back to work in hotzones. Only the latter gets paid about 8 zillion percent less and the majority of Americans give far less of a sh*t about them. But yes the players are clearly the bad guys here. Not the owners doing their draft picks from Scrooge McDuck yachts as they have escorts phone in their picks for them. Pretty gross, too, how fast everyone in the NFL media ran with the “NFL IS BACK BABYYYYYY” headline yesterday and conveniently buried the Redskins story while being fully aware the player’s union wasn’t at all in alignment on this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpain Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I think the league needs to put in real, recommended safeguards that leaves the players feeling like all that can be done is being done. And still some will opt out, will feel like the risk/reward isnt enough. Its hard dealing with an issue that has suck a disparity between people over the severity of the virus and the way to safely deal with it. The opinions are going to be drastically different by different players. And what makes it harder is beliefs and experiences that lead to all these different opinions are impossible to argue against. How do you tell someone that their fear of a potentially deadly virus is wrong? Especially by fans who really dont give a shlt about players getting COVID-19? Keep in mind players may opt out like you are stating. What about the team trainers, equipment guys, and other locker room support staff? Will they have that option or do those people have to risk their health and safety vs. losing what very well may be their dream job that they will never get again ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, bitonti said: this is called what about ism and it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china put it another way you're right all those essential workers deserve more but Alvin Kamara shouldn't make a dumb career move cause he feels bad for the UPS guy I'm not saying he should feel bad or base his actions on anything other than his own business. I'm saying I think society should care a bit more about the people who never stopped working and enable us all to live .. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: They can have concerns. All of America has concerns. They have the option to not play if they feel the risk outweighs the reward. It's not about having concerns. It's about the disingenuous posturing. And most of Americans when hit with those concerns stayed home from work. I dont see how these very real concerns somehow go from real concerns to disingenuous posturing. Especially given the NFL has yet to come out with final and real prevention for the players. Its all new to all those involved. Theres nothing disengenuos about players having concerns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Pretty gross, too, how fast everyone in the NFL media ran with the “NFL IS BACK BABYYYYYY” story yesterday and conveniently buried the Redskins story while being fully away the player’s union wasn’t at all in alignment on this. The whole Shut Up and Dribble mentality is so real it's sad. We know close to zero about how Covid affects pregnancies, but yes let's all pile on Russell Wilson for having to be that guy since no executives or owners have the awareness for any of it. The bajillionaires have had since March to figure all of this out when it was clear this was how the fall was going to be, and yet here we are 2 weeks out of August and nothing. And the players are to blame? Priceless. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, CTM said: I'm not saying he should feel bad or base his actions on anything other than his own business. I'm saying I think society should care a bit more about the people who never stopped working and enable us all to live .. What does that have to do with player concerns? No one is asking you to care. They are asking their bosses to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And most of Americans when hit with those concerns stayed home from work. I dont see how these very real concerns somehow go from real concerns to disingenuous posturing. Especially given the NFL has yet to come out with final and real prevention for the players. Its all new to all those involved. Theres nothing disengenuos about players having concerns. Which I already said, twice now, it's not about them having concerns. So good discussion. Stay safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, CTM said: Who cares.. what's sad about this is there are a ton of people getting 0 government assistance and making very little money with sh*t benefits that are forced to go work in warehouses, manufacturing, grocery stores, delivery services, farms etc,, so the rest of us can survive. Meanwhile unemployed people get 3-4k a month between state and local benefits. Hopefully that is rectified shortly Have a hard time giving a crap about millionaires and billionaires, play / don't play- meh +1 Like the Media telling people not to go to work but of course they are getting paid.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And most of Americans when hit with those concerns stayed home from work. I dont see how these very real concerns somehow go from real concerns to disingenuous posturing. Especially given the NFL has yet to come out with final and real prevention for the players. Its all new to all those involved. Theres nothing disengenuos about players having concerns. You can have concerns, just don't you dare say anything about them. Concerns must be voiced in your soul. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Which I already said, twice now, it's not about them having concerns. So good discussion. Stay safe. You too, its important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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