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Been thinking about which Jets players are most likely to take a big step forward this year, and which ones might disappoint or even depart the team.

Ignoring rookies and looking at guys who have been (or should be) considered important parts of the team these days,  I come up with lots of options but selected the following....

Fire it up

  • Quinnen Williams - He was slow out of the gates last year and seemed to be both physically underwhelming and too slow mentally processing his assignments for most of his rookie year.  I think the departure of Leo Williams, a full year in a NFL strength & conditioning program, and more time under Gregg Williams to learn the game make QW ripe for a big surge in his second season.  This guy is still growing into his body and I think his potential hasn't been close to tapped yet.
  • Chris Herndon - We saw some really good things in his 2018 rookie season and then nothing in his second year because of suspension and injury.  He's really the guy with the most potential on offense to be a difference maker this season in my opinion.  Having never had that second year opportunity to show what he learned as a rookie, I think Herndon could be a huge X factor and potential Top 10 NFL tight end this season.  I see Gase drawing up some schemes and routes that will do for Herndon what he did for Crowder at times last year, getting advantageous matchups (ex. LB in coverage and clear-out routes by WRs that open the middle of the field for Herndon).

Fizzle out

  • Henry Anderson - I like Anderson as 3-4 DE but I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations we had for him after his first year with the Jets after signing as a FA and then getting a big extension.  He's still a good player and decent starter, but at 29 I think his best days may be behind him.  When I think of the guys I mentioned above, QW and Herndon, I think of things like potential and upside.  When I see Anderson I think of whether he can hang on and just maintain his decent production without regressing too much.  Hope I'm wrong but I could see Anderson fizzling out and losing his job to one of the younger guys like Phillips, etc. (That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though)
  • Jonotthan Harrison - Would it surprise you to know that Jonotthan Harrison had the most playing time at Center of any Jet, not just in 2019 but also 2018?  That he had the 4th most snaps on the OLine last year (67%)?  Of course, the reason this has happened is the criminal lack of both talent and depth at Center the past two seasons (the first two years of our hopeful franchise QB's career). I think Harrison continues to be a decent depth guy at Center, but he shouldn't be a starter.  Harrison deserves credit for admirably plugging an important hole two years in a row, including being the starting Center for a team that finished 6-2 last year.  But Harrison's days are numbered for a couple of reasons.  Obviously, Connor McGovern has been brought in to be the starter (the Jets most important signing IMO).  And, while Harrison could be an adequate backup at C he likely won't be able to hold onto a roster spot with the additions of both Greg Van Roten and Josh Andrews due to their versatility.  That's why I think Harrison, essentially the Jets starting Center for two years in a row, will fizzle out and might not even make the team.  Being an adequate backup at a position of severe need helped him for two years with the Jets.  But those days are gone, and having a starter in McGovern plus two guys who can play both OG and C probably mean Harrison's days are numbered.

Who do you see taking another step and firing it up this year?  Who might regress and fizzle out?  Again, no rookies and don't come at me with your Sam Fickens. :P 

 

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22 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Been thinking about which Jets players are most likely to take a big step forward this year, and which ones might disappoint or even depart the team.

Ignoring rookies and looking at guys who have been (or should be) considered important parts of the team these days,  I come up with lots of options but selected the following....

Fire it up

  • Quinnen Williams - He was slow out of the gates last year and seemed to be both physically underwhelming and too slow mentally processing his assignments for most of his rookie year.  I think the departure of Leo Williams, a full year in a NFL strength & conditioning program, and more time under Gregg Williams to learn the game make QW ripe for a big surge in his second season.  This guy is still growing into his body and I think his potential hasn't been close to tapped yet.
  • Chris Herndon - We saw some really good things in his 2018 rookie season and then nothing in his second year because of suspension and injury.  He's really the guy with the most potential on offense to be a difference maker this season in my opinion.  Having never had that second year opportunity to show what he learned as a rookie, I think Herndon could be a huge X factor and potential Top 10 NFL tight end this season.  I see Gase drawing up some schemes and routes that will do for Herndon what he did for Crowder at times last year, getting advantageous matchups (ex. LB in coverage and clear-out routes by WRs that open the middle of the field for Herndon).

Fizzle out

  • Henry Anderson - I like Anderson as 3-4 DE but I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations we had for him after his first year with the Jets after signing as a FA and then getting a big extension.  He's still a good player and decent starter, but at 29 I think his best days may be behind him.  When I think of the guys I mentioned above, QW and Herndon, I think of things like potential and upside.  When I see Anderson I think of whether he can hang on and just maintain his decent production without regressing too much.  Hope I'm wrong but I could see Anderson fizzling out and losing his job to one of the younger guys like Phillips, etc. (That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though)
  • Jonotthan Harrison - Would it surprise you to know that Jonotthan Harrison had the most playing time at Center of any Jet, not just in 2019 but also 2018?  That he had the 4th most snaps on the OLine last year (67%)?  Of course, the reason this has happened is the criminal lack of both talent and depth at Center the past two seasons (the first two years of our hopeful franchise QB's career). I think Harrison continues to be a decent depth guy at Center, but he shouldn't be a starter.  Harrison deserves credit for admirably plugging an important hole two years in a row, including being the starting Center for a team that finished 6-2 last year.  But Harrison's days are numbered for a couple of reasons.  Obviously, Connor McGovern has been brought in to be the starter (the Jets most important signing IMO).  And, while Harrison could be an adequate backup at C he likely won't be able to hold onto a roster spot with the additions of both Greg Van Roten and Josh Andrews due to their versatility.  That's why I think Harrison, essentially the Jets starting Center for two years in a row, will fizzle out and might not even make the team.  Being an adequate backup at a position of severe need helped him for two years with the Jets.  But those days are gone, and having a starter in McGovern plus two guys who can play both OG and C probably mean Harrison's days are numbered.

Who do you see taking another step and firing it up this year?  Who might regress and fizzle out?  Again, no rookies and don't come at me with your Sam Fickens. :P 

 

good choices.  i don't see anderson being a full time player with all of the other dlinemen they have and harrison is just going to be a solid back up if he's kept.  harrison had a chance to really shine once he replaced kalil but he wasn't that much of a step up.

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Anderson absolutely makes sense for a fizzle out candidate.

But why choose Jonotthan Harrison?  Of course he will fizzle out.  Last year we signed retired/toast Kalil to start over him, and this year brought in McGovern.  Of course he's going to fizzle this year.

How about choosing a projected candidate to start to fizzle?  I'll go with Blessuan Austin.  There's a reason we brought in tons of new Corners into the mix.  We're likely going to see several different guys line up at CB2.  Austin might get one of the early nods at that, but I don't see him being impressive like he was last year.  I think Maulet takes the job and runs with it, at least until Bryce Hall is ready.

Another might be Jordan Jenkins.  His 1-year deal and the amount he got is a reflection of what the team thinks about him:  Good enough to come back for another year but not good enough to be here beyond that.  Maybe Zuniga and Huff impress so much that we try to get both on the field as much as possible.  Maybe Basham proves he can stick, too.

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23 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Been thinking about which Jets players are most likely to take a big step forward this year, and which ones might disappoint or even depart the team.

Ignoring rookies and looking at guys who have been (or should be) considered important parts of the team these days,  I come up with lots of options but selected the following....

Fire it up

  • Quinnen Williams - He was slow out of the gates last year and seemed to be both physically underwhelming and too slow mentally processing his assignments for most of his rookie year.  I think the departure of Leo Williams, a full year in a NFL strength & conditioning program, and more time under Gregg Williams to learn the game make QW ripe for a big surge in his second season.  This guy is still growing into his body and I think his potential hasn't been close to tapped yet.
  • Chris Herndon - We saw some really good things in his 2018 rookie season and then nothing in his second year because of suspension and injury.  He's really the guy with the most potential on offense to be a difference maker this season in my opinion.  Having never had that second year opportunity to show what he learned as a rookie, I think Herndon could be a huge X factor and potential Top 10 NFL tight end this season.  I see Gase drawing up some schemes and routes that will do for Herndon what he did for Crowder at times last year, getting advantageous matchups (ex. LB in coverage and clear-out routes by WRs that open the middle of the field for Herndon).

Fizzle out

  • Henry Anderson - I like Anderson as 3-4 DE but I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations we had for him after his first year with the Jets after signing as a FA and then getting a big extension.  He's still a good player and decent starter, but at 29 I think his best days may be behind him.  When I think of the guys I mentioned above, QW and Herndon, I think of things like potential and upside.  When I see Anderson I think of whether he can hang on and just maintain his decent production without regressing too much.  Hope I'm wrong but I could see Anderson fizzling out and losing his job to one of the younger guys like Phillips, etc. (That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though)
  • Jonotthan Harrison - Would it surprise you to know that Jonotthan Harrison had the most playing time at Center of any Jet, not just in 2019 but also 2018?  That he had the 4th most snaps on the OLine last year (67%)?  Of course, the reason this has happened is the criminal lack of both talent and depth at Center the past two seasons (the first two years of our hopeful franchise QB's career). I think Harrison continues to be a decent depth guy at Center, but he shouldn't be a starter.  Harrison deserves credit for admirably plugging an important hole two years in a row, including being the starting Center for a team that finished 6-2 last year.  But Harrison's days are numbered for a couple of reasons.  Obviously, Connor McGovern has been brought in to be the starter (the Jets most important signing IMO).  And, while Harrison could be an adequate backup at C he likely won't be able to hold onto a roster spot with the additions of both Greg Van Roten and Josh Andrews due to their versatility.  That's why I think Harrison, essentially the Jets starting Center for two years in a row, will fizzle out and might not even make the team.  Being an adequate backup at a position of severe need helped him for two years with the Jets.  But those days are gone, and having a starter in McGovern plus two guys who can play both OG and C probably mean Harrison's days are numbered.

Who do you see taking another step and firing it up this year?  Who might regress and fizzle out?  Again, no rookies and don't come at me with your Sam Fickens. :P 

 

Harrison never had an "out to fizzle."

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I hope Mimms lights it up.  How long as it been since the Jets drafted an offensive player that came out of the gates fast and started tearing it up ???

Real possibility that Mimms will be the best rookie WR this year.  

Gotta keep Darnold clean and Gase has to keep his own head out of his ass

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I'll put Bell in my "fire it up" category.  Because why not?  He can't look as bad as he did last year, when he was out of shape and a little injured, and the OL can't be as bad as it was last year either. 

Let's get the most out of him in his final year as a Jet.  Big year coming for Le'Veon.  

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Good OP.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say Foley lights it up this year and makes the Pro Bowl.  I think he's that good.  On offense Connor McGovern will be the sole offensive player to make the Bowl.

On the flip side I think Ryan Griffin will pull an Anderson and fizzle after he earned a new contract after one good year and Patrick Onwuasor will be a one-and-done Jet.

 

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Anderson absolutely makes sense for a fizzle out candidate.

But why choose Jonotthan Harrison?  Of course he will fizzle out.  Last year we signed retired/toast Kalil to start over him, and this year brought in McGovern.  Of course he's going to fizzle this year.

How about choosing a projected candidate to start to fizzle?  I'll go with Blessuan Austin.  There's a reason we brought in tons of new Corners into the mix.  We're likely going to see several different guys line up at CB2.  Austin might get one of the early nods at that, but I don't see him being impressive like he was last year.  I think Maulet takes the job and runs with it, at least until Bryce Hall is ready.

Another might be Jordan Jenkins.  His 1-year deal and the amount he got is a reflection of what the team thinks about him:  Good enough to come back for another year but not good enough to be here beyond that.  Maybe Zuniga and Huff impress so much that we try to get both on the field as much as possible.  Maybe Basham proves he can stick, too.

 

I agree.  Harrison was a bit of an easy choice, but it wasn't so much about him losing his starting job at Center (which we all knew would happen) but rather that he may go from starter to not even making the team as a backup.  That's a pretty big fizzle IMO that the guy who started at C for two years now probably won't make it as a backup.

Austin is a bold choice.  I think he's a guy who might be a Fire It Up candidate in year 2.  He strung together some good playing time until a couple of brain farts had Williams yanking him from the game.  Austin seems like a boom or bust guy right now.  Like you said, lots of corners added so he'll have competition....but he also has a chance to break-out in his second year.

It would be really disappointing if Jenkins fizzles.  He seems like a solid, if unspectacular OLB, and he succeeded in rushing the passer some last year. 

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1 hour ago, nico002 said:

Fire up 

Q Williams 

S Darnold 

 

Fizzle out

B winters

M Maye 

Interesting.  You think he loses out to Ashtyn Davis at some point?

I think if both Maye and Davis look good early in the year that creates the window to entertain some more Jamal offers before the trade deadline.

 

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Fire it up-

 Marcus Maye, Williamson, Perriman and Perine

Fizzle fo shizzle-

Mosley, Herndon, Edoga, Berrios

 Sorry I know I picked more than I should have, but that usually works out for me when it comes to drinks, chicks, and food!?

Anyhoo here's my excuse-

 Maye and Williamson are in the final year of their deals. So they'll play hard and put on a show.

Perriman was brought in to replace Robby and I don't think they'll change those plays as this will keep Sam comfortable. He also is on a one-year deal and has something to prove.

Perine is the pick of this regime. And I think by midseason he'll be the featured back. Gore was only brought in here for leadership and example in the locker room. Also I think Bell will be used more on Gadget plays and split out wide this year. The writing is on the wall, he's overpaid and anytime he lines up in the backfield defenses just swarm straight at him. We all know when he's getting the ball. In fact I think even having him on the team is a hinderance and he will be phased out.

Now Mosley was injured last year after getting a humongous ridiculous contract, and this season is iffy and he's a vet. I just don't see this guy giving it his all despite how much everybody thinks of him. The man is paid I expect him to be injured by week 2 and sayonara.

Same for Herndon who was not a pick of this regime he's injured and I don't think they would have given Griffin the contract they did if they thought this guy was coming back and they could count on him. Injured and drifting to obscurity.

 I like Berrios as a player, in fact he's my friend's cousin. Crowder has the slot receiver position on lockdown and he's steady Eddie like Chrebet. Unless Crowder gets injured Berrios doesn't see the field. Ashtin Davis takes away any of his Special Teams responsibilities.

If you're detecting a trend on the fizzle end that's because it's The Changing of the Guard and the new regime. A lot of the former free agent signings and draft picks maybe put in a tough spot and that's why I picked Chuma Edoga to fizzle. He was the prior regimes pick and I'm sure they had a vision for him, I just don't think he cut it as a tackle. His only shot is at guard but I think we've got that covered and we probably never hear from him again.

BTW props to the OP great thread! Feels good to talk some football-  

The Blitz

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17 hours ago, THE BARON said:

I hope Mimms lights it up.  How long as it been since the Jets drafted an offensive player that came out of the gates fast and started tearing it up ???

Real possibility that Mimms will be the best rookie WR this year.  

Gotta keep Darnold clean and Gase has to keep his own head out of his ass

I'm with you on Mimms.  I have a gut feeling we got a good one for once.

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I'll do one on offense one on defense for each. 

Fire it up:

Mosley- People forget how good this guy is. He was injured last year. This year, if healthy, with an improved secondary, pas rush and possibly a healthy williamson playing next to him in coverage, I could see Mosley having a ton of tackles and in general a great year.  

Darnold- If the line holds up, which it should as its much improved, there is no reason to think Darnold can't have a much improved season from last. That could possibly put him up in the top 10 NFL QB categories statistically for the season if he gets hot. 

Fizzle out:

Adams- The easy guy to go with is H. Anderson. He pretty much looked washed up last season. However, I'm going with Jamal Adams. I don't think Adams will have a bad year or that the Jets Defense won't be as good as last year, quite the opposite. I just think Adams had such a great year last year, especially as a pass rusher that he won't be able to repeat it. He won't be used quite the same way this season and statistically won't have the same numbers. He probably won't make the Pro Bowl. If he plays a lot more in coverage or back end zone and the ILBs eat up a lot of the tackles while guys like Zuniga, QW, Basham, Phillips, Jenkins, even Huff eat up the sacks, Adams will have an off season while still doing a superb job.

Griffin- I can't imagine, even when he comes back from injury, that Griffin will be able to produce the way he did last year when he exploded on the scene for the Jets as a reliable target for Darnold. With Herndon coming back and the addition of Mims and Perriman, even Perine, who I think we will see catch the ball more than people think- the attention will be pulled away from Griffin and he will get less targets.     

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I think Quinnen and Sam will make the biggest jumps this season.  Overall, I think the defense could really surprise people (if Adams is here) - we can stop the run while playing a 3-3-5 defense which should keep the team in favorable matchups.  We also finally have a GM who picked players to fit the defense they want to run.  Desir, Hall, and Austin aren't sexy names, but they are excellent off-man CBs and should thrive in a zone system, which also happens to also be where Mosley is excellent.  Its a good team defense, even if it lacks an elite pass rusher or CB.

For fizzle, I think Ryan Griffin is going to disappoint. He was fine in 2019, but really doesnt offer much other then height.  I can also see Williamson being phased out, simply because we can afford to put more speed on the field with our DL and Mosley, and just dont need the run stopping ability.

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And now for something completely different;

Sizzle - Joe Douglas

It becomes clear after year one and a half of the Douglas era, that the Johnson's finally found the acorn.   

  • The rookie class is a top 5 with year-end starters at LT, WR, P, and G and solid contributors at RB, CB, and S. 
  • The offensive line will no longer be the team's Achilles heal.  LT, LT and C are fixed the next 5+ years while the right side has its backups but will need reinforcements in 2021.
  • The defense is two players away from being championship ready.  

Sizzle - Greg Williams

With legitimate starters across the defense Williams defense wreaks havoc on opposing offenses (with the exception of the Chiefs and Ravens).  He ensures Q understands the secret handshake needed to become the force he can be.  The defense becomes so solid  by year end that Jamal agrees to take less money to re-sign with the Jets!  (Ok, maybe that's a stretch).

Fizzle - Adam Gase

Despite a functional offensive line and decent, if not great, WR, Gase's offense can't seem to get untracked.  The offense picks up a tick only after Sam "23 year old" Darnold needs to speak to his head coach (again!) to tweak the play calling.  It becomes clear at year end that Greg Williams is the guy to lead this team going forward.

 

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10 hours ago, Aaron Hernandez said:

Mims and Herndon as my fire. Honorable mention for Bell

Loud Mouth Box Saftey who'd shatter his personal best with 2 INTs and Fant as my disappointments 

I’d be shocked if Bell didn’t have a bounce back season

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