peebag Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 23 hours ago, nico002 said: Here we go with another terrible take from you, give it a rest. pot, kettle, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 2:14 PM, Warfish said: Mike Vick WAS a horrible human being. Fixed it for you 'cause I know that you believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance and I believe he is making the most of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, slats said: Geno’s a lot of things, a bad guy isn’t one of them. Sure. smart sensitive guy for sure, great athlete. Not a terrible guy but has a terrible personality makeup for a qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: Fixed it for you 'cause I know that you believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance and I believe he is making the most of it. No, I don't think "everyone deserves a 2nd chance". I don't care how much he is enjoying his millions of dollars more quietly today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Warfish said: No, I don't think "everyone deserves a 2nd chance". I don't care how much he is enjoying his millions of dollars more quietly today. Maybe you need to research this more Michael Vick reimburses creditors in rare debt payback Nov 17, 2017 Darren RovellESPN Senior Writer Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick made the final $1.5 million payment to creditors on Thursday, meaning he paid back $17.4 million of the $17.6 million that he owed when he filed for bankruptcy in July 2008. The payment and final payouts were confirmed by Joseph Luzinski, a senior vice president at Development Specialists Inc., a management consultancy firm and the liquidating trustee in Vick's bankruptcy. "Paying 99 cents on the dollar, which he did, is remarkable," Luzinski said. "It happens in, maybe, one out of 100 cases." Vick elected to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy instead of Chapter 7, which would have allowed him to liquidate his assets and not owe any more. Vick, who served 548 days in jail for taking part in an illegal dogfighting ring, took the rare step of kicking in future income to pay off his creditors. "I didn't want to stiff people who never stiffed me," Vick told ESPN in 2014. In the five-year period from 2010 to 2014 in which he agreed to go on a restrictive budget to pay back his creditors, Vick earned nearly $50 million during four seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles and one with the New York Jets. Vick played his final games in 2015 with the Pittsburgh Steelers and now works for Fox Sports as a studio analyst for its NFL coverage. All the creditors were made almost completely whole by Vick, although the Atlanta Falcons, which gave him a retirement ceremony this year, lost out on their big bet. The Falcons were owed $6.5 million from Vick in a salary settlement negotiated in 2009. Less than two years later, the Falcons sold that liability to Fortress Capital, the investment firm co-founded by Milwaukee Bucks co-owner Wesley Edens. What Fortress paid in hopes of getting the $6.5 million back is unclear, as the documentation of the transaction submitted to the court doesn't disclose the amount. But Luzinski said it is assumed they bought it at a significant discount. "That was like playing the lottery," Vick told ESPN three years ago, when he had paid off 85 percent of the debt. "They didn't know if I was going to fully come back, and if you were to ask me, I would have done the same thing. But that's just how God worked in this situation." Michael Vick paid back more than $17 million owed to creditors when he made a final $1.5 million payment Thursday. Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: Maybe you need to research this more Michael Vick reimburses creditors in rare debt payback Nov 17, 2017 Darren RovellESPN Senior Writer Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick made the final $1.5 million payment to creditors on Thursday, meaning he paid back $17.4 million of the $17.6 million that he owed when he filed for bankruptcy in July 2008. The payment and final payouts were confirmed by Joseph Luzinski, a senior vice president at Development Specialists Inc., a management consultancy firm and the liquidating trustee in Vick's bankruptcy. "Paying 99 cents on the dollar, which he did, is remarkable," Luzinski said. "It happens in, maybe, one out of 100 cases." Vick elected to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy instead of Chapter 7, which would have allowed him to liquidate his assets and not owe any more. Vick, who served 548 days in jail for taking part in an illegal dogfighting ring, took the rare step of kicking in future income to pay off his creditors. "I didn't want to stiff people who never stiffed me," Vick told ESPN in 2014. In the five-year period from 2010 to 2014 in which he agreed to go on a restrictive budget to pay back his creditors, Vick earned nearly $50 million during four seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles and one with the New York Jets. Vick played his final games in 2015 with the Pittsburgh Steelers and now works for Fox Sports as a studio analyst for its NFL coverage. All the creditors were made almost completely whole by Vick, although the Atlanta Falcons, which gave him a retirement ceremony this year, lost out on their big bet. The Falcons were owed $6.5 million from Vick in a salary settlement negotiated in 2009. Less than two years later, the Falcons sold that liability to Fortress Capital, the investment firm co-founded by Milwaukee Bucks co-owner Wesley Edens. What Fortress paid in hopes of getting the $6.5 million back is unclear, as the documentation of the transaction submitted to the court doesn't disclose the amount. But Luzinski said it is assumed they bought it at a significant discount. "That was like playing the lottery," Vick told ESPN three years ago, when he had paid off 85 percent of the debt. "They didn't know if I was going to fully come back, and if you were to ask me, I would have done the same thing. But that's just how God worked in this situation." Michael Vick paid back more than $17 million owed to creditors when he made a final $1.5 million payment Thursday. Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images He could have paid much less and nobody would have cared. He made a mistake but has been very good since. I think we might have the right owner for our all bad guy team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 21 hours ago, bitonti said: I've heard this retort before and it's true but we honestly have to compare Ray Lewis and Michael Irvin's career accomplishments vs Klecko's kind of semantic accomplishment of making the Pro Bowl at 3 slightly different positions. Irvin and Lewis have multiple rings each. Lewis was a defensive player who made Super Bowl MVP. And both were like 13x Pro Bowler which is the type of Joe Thomas level career a non Championship player needs to get into canton. People crap on the accolades and awards but the NFL actually doesn't do a bad job with these things. IT's not the Oscars. Pro Bowl is 1/3 Player, coach and fan. All Pro is even more elite, half the slots 1 team voted by AP National Writers (or PFF writers if you will). that's why when people say Jamal Adams made All Pro 2x before 24 it really means he's on a HOF track. As for the hall itself I agree that rings matter. Isn't that the whole point? I dont care about career accomplishments. If character and behavior off the field are a requirement those rules have to work for everyone. If we can say they apply to a Klecko and not Lewis and Irvin then why do the rules for putting someone basiedt on only field performance, why not bend the on field requirements for a really nice player? YOU made the point that Klecko wasn't in the HOF due to his 3 months in jail for handing someone his trucks registration. Lewis was also in jail, for murder. Irvin was arrested for sexually assaulting a Dallas Cheerleader, while under the influence of cocaine. He allegedly assaulted Cowboys offensive lineman Everett McIver. Irvin stabbed McIver in the neck. Jerry Jones immediately brokered a six-figure settlement A year after he retired from the NFL, Irvin was arrested on cocaine possession charges.He was in a Dallas apartment with a woman, wouldn't answered the door when police arrived with a search warrant. Theye entered finding drugs. Hes also been arrest a number of times since. So its it behavior theyre looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 O- Woody Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 2:13 PM, nico002 said: QB Mike Vick? I think he’s a good guy but he did spend time in the slammah Your definition of good guy, is much different than mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 2:38 PM, nico002 said: You torture and kill animals because you're too fat and lazy to eat a salad. Guilty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, DonCorleone said: Your definition of good guy, is much different than mine. Says the guy with an avatar of a murdurer criminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, nico002 said: Says the guy with an avatar of a murdurer criminal He's a character from a book. Michael Vick actually tortured dogs, and a lot of them. No amount of "reform" changes that he did that. People deserve 2nd chances, for the most part. Doesn't mean we have to forget it ever happened. He'll be remembered just as much for that as for being an NFL QB or whatever he does post-career. Your attempts at moral equivalency are cute, though. Keep going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, nico002 said: Says the guy with an avatar of a murdurer criminal Yes I enjoy the movie. You said that Micheal Vick was a good guy (Or something of the sort) It is likely that you do not know how he killed the dogs that lost a fight or even how cruel the dog fighting practice is. It is inhuman and inhumane. I disagreed with your post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, DonCorleone said: Yes I enjoy the movie. You said that Micheal Vick was a good guy (Or something of the sort) It is likely that you do not know how he killed the dogs that lost a fight or even how cruel the dog fighting practice is. It is inhuman and inhumane. I disagreed with your post. He is a good guy. He’s does tons of charity work and has completely transformed himself after his troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He's a character from a book. Michael Vick actually tortured dogs, and a lot of them. No amount of "reform" changes that he did that. People deserve 2nd chances, for the most part. Doesn't mean we have to forget it ever happened. He'll be remembered just as much for that as for being an NFL QB or whatever he does post-career. Your attempts at moral equivalency are cute, though. Keep going. Irrelevant. Vick is a celebrity athlete, I have the same chances of interacting with him as I do a fictional character. They both represent things, and idolizing one is no different than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, nico002 said: Irrelevant. Vick is a celebrity athlete, I have the same chances of interacting with him as I do a fictional character. They both represent things, and idolizing one is no different than the other. Oh you're right. That makes Vick a nice guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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