T0mShane Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, CTM said: For you lips to Darrnolds ears .. Great trade! This positivity from you feels like a set-up. You’re making me paranoid with this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsLife Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jetster said: Scoring a sh*t ton of points or a box safety making a few stuffs in the backfield? How many times did we stuff the run for a 2 yard loss vs Brady, only to have him convert a 2nd & 12 to Gronk for 13 yards & a 1st down. I can’t even believe the haul we got for safety that is average at best in coverage. We have a mother load of draft picks to surround Sam with playas. History will show that there is a fool born every day (Seattle GM). How long has every been watching the NFL? When I turn on an NFL game I can’t wait to comment on the safety play. Adams can’t hold Ed Reeds jock strap! Just imagine if Bill Belichick made this trade. We as Jet fans would be like, OMG, Seattle just set them up for another 10 years of winning. What is Seattle without Russell Wilson? Look at the TEs in the AFC East last year & look at Kittle. Jamal gets to test himself against the best TE in the league...twice. He didn’t do well against Gronk at the END OF HIS CAREER. Pass me the popcorn. - "Scoring a sh*t ton of points": precisely, by far the name of the game today. Joe D must utilize all that draft capital towards a 30+ ppg offense - the going rate to compete with KC. - Adams is way more than a box safety - just because Jets had him attacking the LOS a lot doesn't mean he wasn't an all-around great safety. - The Seattle GM may end up looking like a fool - his track record predicts the opposite. He's built one of the best programs in the NFL almost 10 years running. I think he and Douglas both may have done well here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Give me Derwin James or Eddie Jackson. Never mind generational talent, he’s not even the best safety for this upcoming season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Just because our fan base thought he was overrated doesn’t mean that he was. we just traded away our only quality player for some players we won’t see on the field for two years. Eventually you have to field a competitive team. We’re going to have to watch the garbage this franchise is going to put out there every week this year. I think this is way overstating things. I understand you loved Adams but back away from the ledge. This team is not devoid of talent. Crowder is possibly the best slot in the league. Bell is a proven star and he was running behind probably the worst OL ever assembled last season and now has legit OL blocking for him, Sam imo is a future star. There is still a good amount of talent on D. The team has a chance to challenge for a playoff spot and the AFCE has no clear cut winner anymore. There are questions about every team. Things are not that bleak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Sure, Hiroshima took a short-term loss, but on the other hand they were able to revisit their outmoded building codes and archaic infrastructure development program. Sometimes you need to quell the desire to go for the tasteless joke. That’s in poor taste IMO 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, CTM said: The must not like dawgs in Seattle Nah they like Jackasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted July 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dunnie said: We just lost a generational player . I remember saying this when Erik McMillan signed with the Eagles 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I slotted them at #25 for for the next 2 years. I slotted the Jets pick at #13 next year. Very subjective, I know. But, even if the slots vary slightly, the value stays relatively stable. The biggest piece of this is Seattle's record, and they are not going to fall down the board precipitously. Seattle is very dependent on Wilson's play. All I'm saying is ? happens. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Not even close. I was at a jets / ravens game in 1998, testaverde threw a pass from the 50 into the end zone and ed reed sprinted acrosss the whole end zone to pick it and return it to mid field. His vision was uncanny and changed how qbs saw the field. Adams is a box safety who qbs want dropping back into coverage. Generational, not even close Yawn ... Adams a SS vs probably the best FREE Safety ever... It's getting old.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Adams is a great player and all pro , generational? Not really. I've always defended him here, ask TOm Shane lol, but his mouth and juvenile antics in trying to get out of here drove me nuts. Enough was enough. Good riddance to this cancer. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Generational talent!? Are you clinically insane? The only generational talent the jets have had in their HISTORY is Darrell Revis (maybe also Namath from a pure talent perspective). Jamal Adams is a very good player, he will not SNIFF the HOF. Guys like Reed or Polamalu made more plays in one season than Jamal will make in his entire career. Recorded for future use when he leads the Legion of Boom 3Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I did a separate thread on this, and based upon my subjective draft values (guessing at the position of the Jets and Seahawks 2021 and 2022 draft slots), the deal worked out to be the value of an overall #7 pick. That seems fair to both sides. The no doubter that everyone has said, is Douglas needs to hit. I don't agree with this analysis. Much depends on the depth of the particular draft, but two first round picks are worth more than the mathematical value of the draft chart. A pick can be leveraged as well as used. It gives a GM firepower he wouldn't otherwise have. Not to mention we could have used that pick this year to get a Higgins or Pittman (and Mims, as an example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Dunnie said: Yawn ... Adams a SS vs probably the best FREE Safety ever... It's getting old. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Do you understand the meaning of the word generational? If you are going to describe adams as generational he is going to be compared to real generational players you mongoloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Super talented, Adams was worth two first round picks and change that Seattle paid for him. He was an unneeded luxury on a team that is essentially rebuilding. That said, he is a most annoying loudmouth, I'm delighted to not hear his endless chatter anymore.Depends what these picks turn into.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, predator_05 said: I agree, they're looking to win a SB. Its short term thinking. But some teams are better at drafting than others. 1st round picks are valuable only if you can scout the right players. If you're missing on them as frequently as the seahawks do, then maybe they aren't worth as much. Then you need someone else making the picks. Missing consistently on your first round pick is a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Long Island Leprechaun said: I don't agree with this analysis. Much depends on the depth of the particular draft, but two first round picks are worth more than the mathematical value of the draft chart. A pick can be leveraged as well as used. It gives a GM firepower he wouldn't otherwise have. Not to mention we could have used that pick this year to get a Higgins or Pittman (and Mims, as an example) Many ways to slice it. But, this was an objective view, based on published draft values. What is done with those picks becomes subjective, and future deals then carry their own value. We can't predict the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Generational talent is the most over used hyperbole in all of the Football vernacular. Jamal is one of the best I’ve ever seen in Green and White but unfortunately that’s not saying much and generational he is not. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 We bent Seattle over for a Phillips screwdriver that they will soon regret. They have no draft capital now. We can draft a safety with our draft picks if needed (although we don't need) and never miss Jamal at all. We can extend Maye which is an above average safety and Davis/ Mcdougald seem to have talent. Adams will be embarrassing them on Twitter before you know it. This moron simply has no filter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted July 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: The only way this isn't a horrible trade for Seattle is if they win a Super Bowl in the next couple of years as a direct result of Jamal's play. Possible but unlikely. Seattle fans are already questioning the value of this trade. Next year, when they have one pick in the top 100 and the Jets have five, they’ll be questioning it even more. The following year, when they’re paying a SS $18M/year and they still don’t have a first round pick, they’ll be in open revolt short of a Super Bowl. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, JiF said: Generational talent is the most over used hyperbole in all of the Football vernacular. Jamal is one of the best I’ve ever seen in Green and White but unfortunately that’s not saying much and generational he is not. When did you become a fan? Four years ago? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said: Perhaps the cancer won't spread this time. It won't ONLY if the $$ is right. With a reduced cap next year good luck to Jamal in getting his $20 mil per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsLife Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Not even close. I was at a jets / ravens game in 1998, testaverde threw a pass from the 50 into the end zone and ed reed sprinted acrosss the whole end zone to pick it and return it to mid field. His vision was uncanny and changed how qbs saw the field. Adams is a box safety who qbs want dropping back into coverage. Generational, not even close Reed and Adams are two very different safeties. Reed is among the best ballhawking safeties ever. Whereas Adams is nowhere near the ball hawk, yet covers very well and does critical things better than Reed. Jamal is way more than a box safety. Overall I'd take Reed over Adams in a heartbeat, but to minimize Jamal's impact on the field is silly. He's a unique safety and talent who does almost everything well (not a ball hawk), and does a few things great. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Just because our fan base thought he was overrated doesn’t mean that he was. we just traded away our only quality player for some players we won’t see on the field for two years. Eventually you have to field a competitive team. We’re going to have to watch the garbage this franchise is going to put out there every week this year. No better indicator of a players value than the fans who watch every single down. There is a reason that adams was being shopped to Dallas last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, Dunnie said: We just lost a generational player ... Adams is not as good as you or he think he is. He’s very good, but he’s not, “generational.” I mean, please... ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This positivity from you feels like a set-up. You’re making me paranoid with this I was thinking this is almost a good a day as the day Mac got canned but then I realized that the trade never happens if Mac was still GM. Ousting Mac just looks better and better Honestly getting a bit optimistic about this sh*theel team for the first time in a decade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, nico002 said: When did you become a fan? Four years ago? When you’re mom had me illegitimately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Then you need someone else making the picks. Missing consistently on your first round pick is a crime. This is the same team that traded a first for Percy Harvin. It didn't work out in the long term, but they got a TD from him in the Super Bowl they won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Adams is not as good as you or he think he is. He’s very good, but he’s not, “generational.” I mean, please... ! His career is off to a generational start .. and he just got traded to the coach that knows how to use safeties better than anyone alive. Time will tell. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: I was thinking this is almost a good a day as the day Mac got canned but then I realized that the trade never happens if Mac was still GM. Ousting Mac just looks better and better Honestly getting a bit optimistic about this sh*theel team for the first time in a decade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biggs Posted July 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 Seattle is in the same division as SF, LA and the Cardinals. SF zone running game and has maybe the best blocking pass catching TE in the league in Kittle. Both LA and the Cardinals use a lot of motion and zone running schemes. Arizona had a very good offseason. All 3 of their opponents have young aggressive offensive coaches. Adams is a player Carroll obviously thinks he needs to deal with his division. They may be in the toughest division in the league going forward. It's a high risk trade for Seattle. That's a lot to give up for a Safety. Based on risk/reward we have the better deal on paper. If it works out it's probably a good trade for both teams. Adams is also going to cost a fair amount of cap space to keep him happy. That allows us to sign another FA that we couldn't have if we wanted to keep Adams long term. We didn't fleece Seattle. Seattle doesn't get fleeced. They are a very strong organization that figures out how to win football games. They got a very good football player. We got rid of a contract problem and got a lot of future value. If Douglas turns it into high productivity on the football field this could be a game changer going forward. Anyone selling Seattle's management short is a fool. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, Dunnie said: We just lost a generational player ... He had to go ... But doesn't change the fact that The Jets drafted him...and lost him. Onward and upward .. next man up !!! You listening Mosley and Ashton Davis ?? Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app LOL @ "generational player" (should be spelled "playa") Catch phrase of the NFL the last couple of years. You are not a "generational" defensive back with 2 INTs against backup QBs in garbage time over your first three seasons. What you are is a partially very good player with severe coverage deficiencies. Generational my arse. Douglas should be handcufffed and imprisoned because he publicly raped Carroll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Seattle is very dependent on Wilson's play. All I'm saying is ? happens. What if Wilson gets injured...that's a top 5 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I did a separate thread on this, and based upon my subjective draft values (guessing at the position of the Jets and Seahawks 2021 and 2022 draft slots), the deal worked out to be the value of an overall #7 pick. That seems fair to both sides. The no doubter that everyone has said, is Douglas needs to hit. SD..... based off this last draft, JD could turn each late round #1 pick into additional 2nd & 3rd round picks or frees them up to move back from #12-#17 to again gain draft capital. Remember how the GM from Cleveland set them up for 3 years of exceptional draft Capital. I think JD can do this as well. He does need to turn thos picks into quality starting players however. Something Cleveland failed at 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, JetsLife said: - "Scoring a sh*t ton of points": precisely, by far the name of the game today. Joe D must utilize all that draft capital towards a 30+ ppg offense - the going rate to compete with KC. - Adams is way more than a box safety - just because Jets had him attacking the LOS a lot doesn't mean he wasn't an all-around great safety. - The Seattle GM may end up looking like a fool - his track record predicts the opposite. He's built one of the best programs in the NFL almost 10 years running. I think he and Douglas both may have done well here. These are the kind of deals that make or break a teams. Look at the Hershal Walker trade. That trade made Dallas great. I'm not saying this deal is anywhere close to that deal but it's a huge deal none the less. I said this in another thread. Seattle has put a lot of chips into the middle of the table and the prize is a player that is not strapping the team on his back and pulling you there. Adams is a great player but let's be real. No S ever made or broke a team, not Reed, not Lott, not Atwater and Adams hasn't shown yet to be as good as those 3 yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I think this is way overstating things. I understand you loved Adams but back away from the ledge. This team is not devoid of talent. Crowder is possibly the best slot in the league. Bell is a proven star and he was running behind probably the worst OL ever assembled last season and now has legit OL blocking for him, Sam imo is a future star. There is still a good amount of talent on D. The team has a chance to challenge for a playoff spot and the AFCE has no clear cut winner anymore. There are questions about every team. Things are not that bleak Bell is finished. He’s too slow right now to be a quality player. This team had two players last year that anyone worried about. - Adams and Anderson - both are gone. I don’t understand how this fan base can be happy with continuing to field garbage teams with garbage coaching. And yes, maybe I am overstating things but I’m frustrated. I wish I could have even a bit of hope - but right now the Jets will be fighting for the floor of the AFC East with the Dolphins. Another 5-6 win, listless year to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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