Biggs Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, HessStation said: completely agree, as someone extremely skeptical of relevance, I do it out of consideration and not being an overarching a$$hole I live in Arizona. A month ago people were slut shamming mask wearers. Not anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, southtown24th said: Mulberry Pizza in Beverly Hills? Can't remember. For some reason, I'm thinking it was Westwood or Santa Monica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, munchmemory said: Can't remember. For some reason, I'm thinking it was Westwood or Santa Monica. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not my cup of tea over there. there are some decent slices out here but, nothing like back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, southtown24th said: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not my cup of tea over there. there are some decent slices out here but, nothing like back home. Geez, I'm talking about 40 years ago. I bet so much has changed. I loved hanging out in LA. One of my favorite thing to do was driving Mulholland to PCH, breakfast at the Malibu Inn and heading up to Zuma Beach. EDIT: Oh, and is Inn of the Seventh Ray (Topanga Canyon?) still there. Trippy place to take a date for dinner outside on the hillside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Biggs said: I live in Arizona. A month ago people were slut shamming mask wearers. Not anymore. btw can someone explain to me the NYers slut shamming the Florida people when last I looked NY has 31k deaths, 6-12k directly at the governors hands of sending patients into old people homes ....and Florida has 5k. I don’t get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, EM31 said: I do think they are suppressing the numbers for a variety of reasons not least of which were interviews yesterday with a former employee of their department of health who was claiming that she was fired for refusing to doctor the numbers. That and the fact that they seem to be moving heaven and earth to prevent the numbers from being reported via normal channels. I am guessing those things never made it onto Fox News Not saying just saying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Not saying just saying Meanwhile, in Florida, a man killed in a Motorcycle accident had his cause of death listed as....."Covid-19 related". It's ALL absurd. There is no answer but to plow through it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Jet_Engine1 said: There is no answer but to plow through it. Seems to be where it’s headed regardless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I think much of it is attributable to beaches and South Beach bars/clubs/restaurants being shown with wall to wall people as the NE was suffering through their Covid peak. Add to that Florida's governor chastising the media for "exaggerating" the deadly impact of the virus on Florida's population. I hate that folks are shaming anyone or place. We can get a handle on this disease if we all work together. It's that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, munchmemory said: I think much of it is attributable to beaches and South Beach bars/clubs/restaurants being shown with wall to wall people as the NE was suffering through their Covid peak. Add to that Florida's governor chastising the media for "exaggerating" the deadly impact of the virus on Florida's population. I hate that folks are shaming anyone or place. We can get a handle on this disease if we all work together. It's that simple. The bars and clubs closed in Florida in mid March. Your timeline is off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Several NFL players have opted out of season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, Matt39 said: The bars and clubs closed in Florida in mid March. Your timeline is off. Guess I'm referring to the Spring Breakers in clubs, etc. during that time. If my time line is a bit off, I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Not saying just saying It was hard enough trusting the CDC numbers, it is now full blown sh*t-show. Orwell is moon dancing walking in the 5th dimension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, munchmemory said: Geez, I'm talking about 40 years ago. I bet so much has changed. I loved hanging out in LA. One of my favorite thing to do was driving Mulholland to PCH, breakfast at the Malibu Inn and heading up to Zuma Beach. EDIT: Oh, and is Inn of the Seventh Ray (Topanga Canyon?) still there. Trippy place to take a date for dinner outside on the hillside. Yeah 40 years ago LA was LA. I can't even imagine. I really can't. I've been out here for 7 years and I love the place (no city is better than NYC, hands down) and I won't be coming back (to live) anytime soon...I am here...this is my place and I love it. I can't imagine this place in the 60s-70s-80s. I am a huge music fan and a huge history of music fan and I love the stories of Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, the Eagles, etc. at the Troubadour, etc. I can't even imagine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Not saying just saying Pretty compelling if you understand basic math. Florida did nothing to change the trajectory at that time and in fact the trajectory for the next 3-4 weeks was already baked into the disease pipeline and here, as if by magic (or manipulation) the numbers magically change. 1) Infection, lag 2) Recovery or Positive test (in some cases), lag 3) Recovery or Hospital admission (in some cases), lag 4) Recovery or ICU Bed (in some cases), lag 5) Recovery or Ventilator (in some cases), Lag 6) Recovery or Death 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, EM31 said: Florida did nothing to change the trajectory at that time Flat out false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Mogglez said: I live in a state that isn't stupid and is now one of like, 3 that have it under control. NY is irrelevant to me. What state isnt stupid? I have news for you the states with the worst outbreak are ny, nj, ct, etc.. it's "under control" because significant portions of their population already had it in March/April. Wich is is why the death rates around NYC are higher than anywhere in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Yea faking covid numbers makes tons of sense. It’s not like there are thousands of stakeholders involved, like the labs running tests or the hospitals administering the tests, that would raise an eyebrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, southtown24th said: Yeah 40 years ago LA was LA. I can't even imagine. I really can't. I've been out here for 7 years and I love the place (no city is better than NYC, hands down) and I won't be coming back (to live) anytime soon...I am here...this is my place and I love it. I can't imagine this place in the 60s-70s-80s. I am a huge music fan and a huge history of music fan and I love the stories of Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, the Eagles, etc. at the Troubadour, etc. I can't even imagine! I'm a rocker from way back in the 60s (NYC, not LA). I spent many a night on the Strip in LA checking out bands in places like The Troubadour, Gazzarri's and The Rainbow. Actually bough Lemmy a drink once and had Sam Kinnison almost run me over as he was speeding through an alley. Gave me a look like I was the one who had done something wrong. lol Enjoy it out on the West Coast. Beautiful place to live. Just watch yourself and make sure you wear a mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, nico002 said: Yea faking covid numbers makes tons of sense. It’s not there are thousands of stakeholders involved, like the labs running tests or the hospitals administering the tests, that would raise an eyebrow. The same people saying Florida is "at the brink" are also saying they're cooking the books. ICU beds are still fine. There is no ventilator shortage. The hotspots are not the backwood "Florida-man" enclaves. They are in Palm Beach, Broward and Dade, which has a bevy of folks from the tri-state, who probably came down during the spike up north. Florida has plenty of problems, but the nonsense that's getting spewed here is ridiculous and flat out false. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, HessStation said: btw can someone explain to me the NYers slut shamming the Florida people when last I looked NY has 31k deaths, 6-12k directly at the governors hands of sending patients into old people homes ....and Florida has 5k. I don’t get it. Because the media and pols are out right lying at this point.. Paul Krugman, noble winning economist posting clear distortions. Look at his post vs what it looks like when go back to March and standardize Y axis https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1286624035195977731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 ICUs are designed to always run at 90-100% capacity. It doesn’t make financial sense for hospitals to set up ICUs with hundreds of empty beds. When they say Florida ICUs are at at 90% capacity it’s... by design. What the media doesn’t report, or know, is what the capacity is of hospitals to set up additional/make shift covid beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, CTM said: Because the media and pols are out right lying at this point.. Paul Krugman, noble winning economist posting clear distortions. Look at his post vs what it looks like when go back to March and standardize Y axis https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1286624035195977731 What is your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, nico002 said: ICUs are designed to always run at 90-100% capacity. It doesn’t make financial sense for hospitals to set up ICUs with hundreds of empty beds. When they say Florida ICUs are at at 90% capacity it’s... by design. What the media doesn’t report, or know, is what the capacity is of hospitals to set up additional/make shift covid beds. Of course lol, dozens of ceo's have come out and said this literal obvious thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, nico002 said: What is your point? Krugman compared Florida to Italy to shame Flordia and had the Y axis much different plus off Italys peak. His presentation made Florda look much worse than Italy when the full data shows the opposite. Even population adjusted Italy did way worse. You can argue that Italy was earlier in the game and less chance to prepare.. fine.. but make that point.. dont purposely skew the numbers and put in on blast to manipulate people for political ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, CTM said: Krugman compared Florida to Italy to shame Flordia and had the Y axis much different plus off Italys peak. His presentation made Florda look much worse than Italy when the full data shows the opposite. Even population adjusted Italy did way worse. You can argue that Italy was earlier in the game and less chance to prepare.. fine.. but make that point.. dont purposely skew the numbers and put in on blast to manipulate people for political ends Oh ok totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, CTM said: Krugman compared Florida to Italy to shame Flordia and had the Y axis much different plus off Italys peak. His presentation made Florda look much worse than Italy when the full data shows the opposite. Even population adjusted Italy did way worse. You can argue that Italy was earlier in the game and less chance to prepare.. fine.. but make that point.. dont purposely skew the numbers and put in on blast to manipulate people for political ends So Florida not being worse than Italy is the standard now? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, munchmemory said: I'm a rocker from way back in the 60s (NYC, not LA). I spent many a night on the Strip in LA checking out bands in places like The Troubadour, Gazzarri's and The Rainbow. Actually bough Lemmy a drink once and had Sam Kinnison almost run me over as he was speeding through an alley. Gave me a look like I was the one who had done something wrong. lol Enjoy it out on the West Coast. Beautiful place to live. Just watch yourself and make sure you wear a mask. I figured with your little profile pic there, that's why I mentioned music... Gazzarri's--I've heard legendary stories of that place. It was long, long gone by the time we got here. And as for the masks: the #1 most compliant zip code in LA when it comes to masks, you might ask? 90042. That's where we live. We don't leave home without it and nor do any of our peers, pals or neighbors. We are, certainly, doing our part. All the best and Go Jets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Hey any of you guys see any politics or any other rule breaking shit in this thread I’m not reading? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, EM31 said: So Florida not being worse than Italy is the standard now? What is the standard? It changes every day. I thought initially it was to not overwhelm the hospitals, which Florida has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, EM31 said: So Florida not being worse than Italy is the standard now? Yes cause that's what I said. I wasn't pointing out how a prominent member of the media is clearly distorting data in very obvious ways to make Red states look bad. Not my point at all This is a few days old direct from the CDC, you explain to me how the below jives with the narrative for the past month that Florida did so badly and NYC did so great. Your 7 day moving average for deaths in the entire country today is like 37% of what it was in March for basically the tri state area. Fully agree there is lots of time left for these numbers to evolve and further agree that Florida isn't handling it well and should have mandatory masks. However, the MSM narrative of the past month is so far removed from reality its hard to believe anyone buys it at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Her any of you guys see any politics or any other rule breaking sh*t in this thread I’m not reading? I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, CTM said: prominent member of the media Thought leader Paul Krugman? I don’t make a move without him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Thought leader Paul Krugman? I don’t make a move without him. haha, doesn't he write for the NYT? I honestly don't know but I know he won a Nobel prize in economics and certainly knows what he's doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, CTM said: haha, doesn't he write for the NYT? I honestly don't know but I know he won a Nobel prize in economics and certainly knows what he's doing Ideologically, not as popular as you’d think on the left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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