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1 minute ago, playtowinthegame said:

I'd love nothing more than to see Gase proverbially tea bag Jamal with a great post game speech in the locker room after the Jets beat Seahawks. Shades of Groh and the flashlights outshinning the "star" player. 

That would be terrific and we've got every chance to win the East this year. I can hear Gase now saying that these Jets are the guys that want to be here and are team 1st players. Stick it Jamal.

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Don't know about 12-4.  10-6...9-7...8-8...who knows what can win a wide open division like the AFCE.  

Just getting it done is all that matters.  And Darnold gives Jets that chance.  Best QB in the AFCE as far as I'm concerned.  And going to bust out big.  

IMO...Jets can do it.  Hope we have a season to find out.

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4 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I love y'all but this team isn't built or expected to win this year.

I hope to be leading the charge next year on division championship potential.

But this year, let's just root for our rookies and hope Sam doesn't get killed.

So you and the others dont think we can win another two games over last season?

Cant happen? 

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3 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Gase starts the season 6-2, which makes him 12-4 over a 16 game span. Proceeds to go 3-5, ends the season at 9-7, misses the playoffs, and gets a 4 year contract extension. 

I'll take 9-7, no matter how we get there.  

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5 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

First Half Record: 6-2

Second Half Record: 6-2

Jets SWEEP AFC EAST

Week 14: Gase gives Bradley McDougald game ball when we clinch the division at Seattle. 

Whatever your smoking or snorting I want some! But I hope so of course.

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24 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

So you and the others dont think we can win another two games over last season?

Cant happen? 

Of course it's possible.

So lets deal in detail:  Who are your projected 9 (or more) wins in 2020?  What teams are we beating to get to 9 (or more)?

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53 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Of course it's possible.

So lets deal in detail:  Who are your projected 9 (or more) wins in 2020?  What teams are we beating to get to 9 (or more)?

Thats the absolute worst way to try and predict a teams final season record.  You wins games you would never predict as a win, like Dallas & Oakland last year and lose games you would never predict as losses, Bengals.  Then there are the teams you think will be big winners who fall on their faces and arent a huge test.

I'm looking at the overall season.  Do I think the 2020 team, especially without a flood of injuries, is a better team that 2019?  Do I expect Darnold to be better in year three, with his second season in this offense?  Do I think the OL is better and should help unleash Bell at least a bit better than the Bell of 2019?

Thats the way I go into the season.  

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With this preseason schedule... I literally have no idea.  But I do know one thing.  Josh Allen has overcome any short comings he has as a player.  I know that because I've read an article a week telling me how earnest and hard working he is.  So it's gotta be true.

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

So you and the others dont think we can win another two games over last season?

Cant happen? 

Anything can happen.  But I think it’s more far likely we win 5 games than it is we win 9. 
I’ll be watching this season for Mims, Zuniga, Davis and the rest of our rookies. If they show promise maybe next year our front office will attempt to win. 

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Thats the absolute worst way to try and predict a teams final season record.  You wins games you would never predict as a win, like Dallas & Oakland last year and lose games you would never predict as losses, Bengals.  Then there are the teams you think will be big winners who fall on their faces and arent a huge test.

I'm looking at the overall season.  Do I think the 2020 team, especially without a flood of injuries, is a better team that 2019?  Do I expect Darnold to be better in year three, with his second season in this offense?  Do I think the OL is better and should help unleash Bell at least a bit better than the Bell of 2019?

Thats the way I go into the season.  

My apologies, but I'm honestly confused by this answer.

How can you look at "the entire season" in terms of wins/losses without looking at the actual games and having an opinion on which are winnable and which are not likely to be won?

Being "better" than 2019 is irrelevant, we're not playing the exact teams we played with the exact players they had in 2019.  I agree we're better, and have said so repeatedly, but we also play a materially more difficulty schedule.  

I'm just having a hard time with a belief in a 9 win team without a basis in that 9 win idea supported by 9 winnable games.  

Is this kind of prediction basically just a "I feel we're better, so I'll add 2 wins to last year" kinda thing, without any actual analysis?  Fair enough if it is I guess. :-k

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37 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Anything can happen.  But I think it’s more far likely we win 5 games than it is we win 9. 
I’ll be watching this season for Mims, Zuniga, Davis and the rest of our rookies. If they show promise maybe next year our front office will attempt to win. 

I agree anything can happen but I would be surprised if we win fewer than last season.  Darnold should take a step forward, shouldn't get mono and miss a chunk of the season while playing under questionable health in others.

Unlike you I dont see where the team is less talented than a year ago.  And isnt improved in extremely important ways, like the OL

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8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

My apologies, but I'm honestly confused by this answer.

How can you look at "the entire season" in terms of wins/losses without looking at the actual games and having an opinion on which are winnable and which are not likely to be won?

Being "better" than 2019 is irrelevant, we're not playing the exact teams we played with the exact players they had in 2019.  I agree we're better, and have said so repeatedly, but we also play a materially more difficulty schedule.  

I'm just having a hard time with a belief in a 9 win team without a basis in that 9 win idea supported by 9 winnable games.  

Is this kind of prediction basically just a "I feel we're better, so I'll add 2 wins to last year" kinda thing, without any actual analysis?  Fair enough if it is I guess. :-k

You have to look at the season on a whole because we have no idea what the teams on the schedule will look like this season.  Did we expect Pitt to be without Ben?  What if Mahomes or Garopolo go down?  Wilson?  Would you have penciled Pitt, Oakland and Dallas as Ws or Ls heading into last season?  I would if pressed said Ls.  Doesnt work well that way.  Its not a basically I feel that way proposition.  The only thing I feel secure in is that barring another injury riddled season the QB position, the OL, the TEs, the WRs, the CBs should all be better.  Thats all I have to go on.  So 2 wins isnt that hard to see as a possibility.  To me if you believe we've helped ourselves in those areas or arent worse than last years teams why should we win more games?  The schedule, strength of schedule are the least predictable of all the variables.  The strength of schedule going into a season rarely holds true once the games are played

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31 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I agree anything can happen but I would be surprised if we win fewer than last season.  Darnold should take a step forward, shouldn't get mono and miss a chunk of the season while playing under questionable health in others.

Unlike you I dont see where the team is less talented than a year ago.  And isnt improved in extremely important ways, like the OL

I don’t think we’re as far apart as you think.  
Sam should take the next step. But you’re right, I do believe the talent on the roster has been downgraded.  
A lot to the gap might be to do with the fact that I put little to no faith in rookie production until I see it.  They’re way too often fools gold.  

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19 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I don’t think we’re as far apart as you think.  
Sam should take the next step. But you’re right, I do believe the talent on the roster has been downgraded.  
A lot to the gap might be to do with the fact that I put little to no faith in rookie production until I see it.  They’re way too often fools gold.  

I never said we were.

Our biggest disagreement is you see the roster as downgraded, I dont see it downgraded.

Like I said QB should be better, OL, CBs, TEs, WR's, RBs....I'm not seeing the drop off.  You have to admit, while a few might want to argue that they didnt do enough on the OL, youre pretty much on you own with the downgraded argument.  I think you believe the WR group has been downgraded and I dont see that either.  Anderson was awful a year ago.  I'll take Mims as an improvement even as a rookie and Perriman a wash.  

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44 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I don’t think we’re as far apart as you think.  
Sam should take the next step. But you’re right, I do believe the talent on the roster has been downgraded.  
A lot to the gap might be to do with the fact that I put little to no faith in rookie production until I see it.  They’re way too often fools gold.  

I know we are beating a dead horse here you and I, but in your opinion the roster is downgraded specifically due to the departure of Robby and Beachum correct? We can include Adams but you were making this argument before Adams left. 

 

We brought in multiple lineman  at multiple positions. We lost Beachum who was playing at JAG levels last year and is now another year older and a backup in Arizona?

We lost a Jag OL and average starter WR, and traded an "elite" safety.

We brought in:

Breshad Perriman, receiver.

Greg Van Roten, guard.

Connor McGovern, center.

George Fant, offensive tackle.

Pierre Desir, Cornerback

Patrick Onwuasor, Inside Linebacker

Bradley McDougald, Safety 

Josh Doctson, Receiver

Some other random JAGs....

As much as I wasn't a fan of Jamal I can see  saying the defensive roster took a hit from his departure, but with the other two you are splitting a hair five ways.

 

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14 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

I never said we were.

Our biggest disagreement is you see the roster as downgraded, I dont see it downgraded.

Like I said QB should be better, OL, CBs, TEs, WR's, RBs....I'm not seeing the drop off.  You have to admit, while a few might want to argue that they didnt do enough on the OL, youre pretty much on you own with the downgraded argument.  I think you believe the WR group has been downgraded and I dont see that either.  Anderson was awful a year ago.  I'll take Mims as an improvement even as a rookie and Perriman a wash.  

Yes, I realize I’m on an island with the OL - but here’s the reality.  Last year we had the worst OL in football, probably the worst OL I’ve ever seen the Jets field.  If it’s improved, it’s barely improved with massive questions marks...everywhere.  So even if it is better it’s still a bottom of the league OL - and this fan base seems ecstatic about that.

I get JD is trying to build for the future and trying to sign smart contracts - but the OL was simply not a place where he could mess around...yet, he did. 

If you’re Sam Darnold do you think he’s looking at the line has protecting him and thinkBig yeah - Our GM really did a great job and built the line I need to be a top 10 passer. 

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34 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes, I realize I’m on an island with the OL - but here’s the reality.  Last year we had the worst OL in football, probably the worst OL I’ve ever seen the Jets field.  If it’s improved, it’s barely improved with massive questions marks...everywhere.  So even if it is better it’s still a bottom of the league OL - and this fan base seems ecstatic about that.

I get JD is trying to build for the future and trying to sign smart contracts - but the OL was simply not a place where he could mess around...yet, he did. 

If you’re Sam Darnold do you think he’s looking at the line has protecting him and thinkBig yeah - Our GM really did a great job and built the line I need to be a top 10 passer. 

Yeah, I get we dont know how much better the OL will be but no one seems to thing it will be marginally better.  And marginally better would give Sam more time and room to operate.

I guess I just dont get the idea that JD passed on all these great OL that were available.  Who were these beasts that we missed out on?  Conklin? Becton has all the makings of a better T

Yeah, if im Sam Darnold I do think that JD helped the OL.  

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16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You have to look at the season on a whole because we have no idea what the teams on the schedule will look like this season.

Of course we don't.  No one expects us today to predict injuries and crazy. 

But it's reasonable to expect predictions made now to be based on now, isn't it?

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 Did we expect Pitt to be without Ben?  What if Mahomes or Garopolo go down?  Wilson?

None of those things have happened.  If you make a prediction today, it should be based on today, the facts as they stand today.  

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 Would you have penciled Pitt, Oakland and Dallas as Ws or Ls heading into last season? I would if pressed said Ls.  Doesnt work well that way.  

All three were winnable games before the season started, yes.  I can't recall my actual preseason predictions, but I think I had one of those three as a "W".  And I predicted a Pitt loss because at the time I made the prediction Ben was healthy, so no worries there either.  And Dallas was only a shock because of when it happened, not that it happened.  

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

The only thing I feel secure in is that barring another injury riddled season the QB position, the OL, the TEs, the WRs, the CBs should all be better.  Thats all I have to go on.

On this , we agree completely.

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 So 2 wins isnt that hard to see as a possibility.

But how do you get to "+2 wins" without looking at who and when we play, is my question.  If we were playing the exact same 2019 schedule, with the exact same players on their teams......sure, the +2 wins would make total sense, we're better, they're the same, I too would say "yeah, we're at least 2 wins net better now".

But we're not playing the 2019 schedule and players, we're playing the 2020 schedule and players.  Now without Mosely to boot.  A materially harder schedule.  I'm not even disagreeing with your prediction per se, as I am with how you get there.  I just can't see making that kind of prediction without looking game to game and at least saying "winnable", "maybe" and "lol, nope" a little first.

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

To me if you believe we've helped ourselves in those areas or arent worse than last years teams why should we win more games?

Because we're playing different teams with different players than we did last year.

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 The schedule, strength of schedule are the least predictable of all the variables.  The strength of schedule going into a season rarely holds true once the games are played

No doubt SOS is a wobbly indicator, no doubt, but even a casual look at the schedule says we're playing a harder one than last year.  I just think that has to factored in as well, not just "are we better", which we both agree, we are.

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