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Honestly what has Sam Darnold ever done that's special? Not a rhetorical question. He's due a 100 million dollar extension soon

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The point of the Jets is not to win games. They exist, get beat and collect the money. Winning doesn't pay more than starving the roster

If the Jets win only the one to three games it would take to pick first, the Jets should seriously think about ceasing to be a football team


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29 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

 

Whatever, you cry about money all the time.  

Whats the point of watching major pro sports?  They all make money, especially football.  So, what's newsworthy there?

the NFL is a communism dividing all 32 teams equal 

we only know this because the city of Green Bay has open books 

the point of pro sports is because generally anything can happen. It's the realest reality show. Phoenix Suns go 6-0 in a bubble restart. 

the Jets starving the roster, trading their best players, we know what's going to happen. This team doesn't have a Devin Booker and if they did, they would have traded him by now. 

talk about crying I want the Jets to win but this place is far too optimistic about the chances of this happening.

I'm not going to win any miss congeniality awards but this could be the worst season for a while 

they travel 31000 miles. They play the SB champs and the SB runners up. They fly to the west coast 3 times. 

Darnold Busts, Gase gets fired, they win 4 games

Change my mind 

 

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13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Have no idea what this has to do with my original response to your post about money but fine.  

the New York Football Jets, being 30 million dollars under the cap, are among teams like WAS and CLE in top 5 cap space. These are not winning franchises. 

Spending money is not the only key to winning but if you can't even spend to the floor 2 years out of every 4 you're hamstringing the chances before the season starts. 

there's no reason for the Jets to operate like the Pittsburgh Pirates by the way. They aren't a "Small market" team but this board seems to rejoice every time a player gets cut, or signs a 1 year deal.  there were many who saw the CJ opt out as a great cap opportunity to cut Q enunwa. 

winning in the NFL is extremely difficult. there's 31 losers and 1 winner every year 

a team like the Jets to leave this much unspent, to use their cap space on cuts, are confining themselves to the scrap heap before it even starts. at least for 2020

and truth of the matter I don't believe the word "REBUILD" means anything in the NFL. Career lengths are 3 years you don't rebuild you reload. All rebuilding makes sure of is a culture of losing.  the Jets have been rebuilding since Rex and while it's nice to imagine some sort of juggernaut built by JD in 2022 the reality is they will probably have another new QB and another new HC by then

it's the endless rebuild

this isn't hollywood there isn't going to be a Major League like scenario where Vyncynt Smith is actually Willy Mays Hayes

they will stink because the ownership are not financially committed to winning 

is that clear enough, sir? :)

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5 hours ago, Philc1 said:

   Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are both still looking for their first wins in a playoff game  

I would trade either of these players for Sam Darnold right now straight up no questions asked 

 

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12 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

I would not trade Josh Allen for Darnold.  Allen has benefitted from a much better o-line and roster.  That's the main difference.  His coach also seems better.  But if you put Josh Allen on this team you'd have the same amount of losing, maybe even more.

As for Lamar Jackson, yeah he's better now but a guy with that skill set usually has a short shelf-life in his prime, so in 7 years when Darnold is just 30 with some good years left and Jackson is on the back end of his run, we may be glad in the end.  Jackson still has 0 titles, remember.

Josh Allen has elite arm strength, plus speed and plus size. He's durable, starting all 16 games last year. The bills do not have better weapons, they are no-names on offense (not exactly Julio Jones or whatever). 

Sam Darnold has basic attributes compared to Allen and hasn't made it through a season healthy yet 

Lamar Jackson is a winner and the Ravens didn't need to mortgage 3 2nd rounders for him 

As for Darnold 7 years from now why would we expect the Jets to pay for a Rich Gannon like career track? Yeah he might be good a decade from now, how many teams will he have gone through by then? He's going to need an extension and soon 

he's done nothing to earn it. He's 3-9 vs playoff teams. 

in fact the "ghosts" game on MNF Belly showed the leagues better defense how to beat Darnold. 

here's a hot take on Darnold it's all over but the crying. Start James Morgan. 

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10 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:

Isn't your expertise on the football field OLine? I respect your opinion but aside from OLine your evaluations for other positions are all ovet the place.

 

 

my predictions have been really good since I stopped believing in the team 

I wanted Mahomes instead of Adams, people forget that year 

it was the same nonsense by the way, Mahomes wouldn't be Mahomes without Andy Reid 

here's an idea maybe the guy drafted at 3 overall pull his weight for once 

for my latest trick 

I predict Sam Darnold will not get an extension from the NYJ 

franchise players don't need everything around them to be perfect

they elevate the crap around them 

 

8 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Jets record since drafting Darnold:

0-6 when he is out

11-14 when he starts

this speaks more to the lack of a backup Qb plan than any sort of endorsement of Darnold 

Joe Douglas didn't pick Darnold by the way 

he did use a 4th rounder on James Morgan for the next time Darnold gets hurt

hopefully he gets Wally Pipped 

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1 minute ago, DoubleDown said:

 

You have to admit that the roster around Darnold in his first two seasons has been utter garbage.  There is no doubt he needs to improve, but the circumstances to date must be taken into account when he is being evaluated.

I never said it wasn't a garbage roster

a guy who has that much draft capital invested in him doesn't also get to have a perfect roster

Darnold is good not special. Managers need everything around them to be excellent to perform. Like Sanchez. 

for the price of  3 2nd rounders and insta-HOF guard Quenton Nelson, 14 had to be special and only jets fans are left hoping he's special 

I don't have anything personal against the guy, he's just not that good

 

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17 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

I don't think anyone is expecting a perfect roster.  How about "not the worst in the league?"  Putting an NFL worthy offensive line in front of him would be a good start.

Time will tell whether he is good, great, or bad.  The jury is still out.  I just think it's silly to write him off at this point considering the circumstances.  Personally, I think most quarterbacks would have crumbled (physically and/or mentally) by now.  He hasn't lit the world on fire, but he has managed to hold his own.

He's not made it through 16 game season, how is that holding up physically?

Jets fans have such a low bar for Darnold. 

Holding his own isn't enough for 3 overall and 3 2nd rounders.  

He's supposed to light the world on fire. 

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18 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

 

The Jets biggest weakness in my eyes was the offensive line.  Right now, all we can definitively say is that it's different.  Whether or not it is better is yet to be determined.  In my opinion, the only place they can go is up because the Jets offensive line play the past two seasons has been the worst I have witnessed in my three decades of watching football.

without getting into the weeds, Darnold was getting his 2.5 seconds

there's all sorts of stats for QB hits and QB sacks etc and he was in the middle of the pack of these. the problem was he was garbage under pressure. 

there's this narrative that the Jets offensive line was the worst ever in the history of football

this is incorrect

what you are watching is a QB who can't make pre-snap reads, can't beat the blitz and find the hot man, at least not consistently 

he started to do it at the end of last season but not against good defenses

teams have been begging Darnold (Geno, Sanchez etc) to beat the blitz and these guys don't do it.

Gase's reluctance to keep in a RB to block or change his gameplan to send 5 targets out doesn't help the matter  

put it another way when there's 6 rushers and only 5 blockers, even the greatest OL in the history will fail 

the Jets OL wasn't good, and it got really bad when beachum was hurt, but they routinely were put in extra rusher situations and Sam didn't make the changes he needed to on the fly 

Sam wasn't seeing blind side blitzers he was getting rocked with a lack of awareness. On TV it looks like the line was trash. 

well maybe that's acceptable for a 22 year old but it's year 3 now and at some point he needs to flash. he needs to see these extra "robbers" and figure out something 

instead all we hear about is how needs a better line 

he needs to execute at a basic level this is the NFL not the pac 12 

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I just wanted to say this dude migglez is on my jock 24 7
I can't Make a post without 3 days later moggz shows up to butt sniff

Who exactly are you migglez? And why do ride my fat Italian junk so hard?

That's a very generous way of putting it, lmfao.


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Use the search function buddy

The fact is no one remembers correct predictions especially if they are negative ones. They remember how I used to believe in the franchise 20 years ago. I have been making negative predictions about this team since the Geno Smith Era and they have not been wrong yet

Seriously, I dont remember a single prediction you've made thats come through
I do remember you pumping Gholston. That he was going to break out 
I do remember you arguing with me that RAnderson would never last a full season in the NFL, that he wasn't built to play football
I just cant remember the call to draft Mahomes at 6, before the draft 
 


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I think Morgan could win this job in an open competition. Because darnold stinks.

But there won't be any such competition, so Morgan will wait until Sam gets hurt. Which happens every year. At which point Sam will be wally pipped.

Remember that jd didn't pick darnold or gase and has no special loyalty to either. He did pick James Morgan tho

So you think the Jets should hand the starting QB job to James Morgan? Are you advocating for an open competition or should the Jets just hand the job over to Morgan based on his sterling record at FAU and draft pedigree?


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1 hour ago, JetsLife said:

 

Speaking of GOAT QBs: as a rookie Manning like many all-time greats hardly lit the world on fire. What’s he throw like a NFL record 28 INTs leading the Colts to 3-13? So now you’re holding Sam to your own delusional standard?  

there was a lot wrong with that post but I choose to respond to this part

Peyton Manning's rookie year was a semi-relevant comp after Sam's rookie year

and even more to the point Peyton Manning, even on his worst day, could read a friggin defense

it's year 3, Sam saw ghosts in year 2 

it's not delusional to want the QB with that much draft capital invested to be better than he is 

what's delusional is to expect it just because you bought a jersey at Modells 

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