freestater Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 I'm confused now. Do we..do we turn every thread into a Clowney thread now? Or should it still be fire Gase? Those were fun. Gonna be fun having multiple firsts for the next two years too. Doesn't seem like "hot" topic. Hm. FIRE GASE!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 15 hours ago, T0mShane said: I’d give this guy 5/$100mil right now @Gastineau Lives Why don’t you want to pay players, you anti-capitalist stooge? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, slats said: You guys are funny. That's one world for some of these posters.? It must suck to still hold a flame for a POS like Jamal while simultaneously being a humorless c**t with no concept of hyperbole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 He's clearly a better player than Adams. JD is a genius, tricked Pete Carol, SB winner and perennial championship contender, into giving up two first round picks, a third round pick and the better player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 He's clearly a better player than Adams. JD is a genius, tricked Pete Carol, SB winner and perennial championship contender, into giving up two first round picks, a third round pick and the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post slats Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: He's clearly a better player than Adams. JD is a genius, tricked Pete Carol, SB winner and perennial championship contender, into giving up two first round picks, a third round pick and the better player. Usually I'd clean up multiple posts, but this one is so right that it really needs to be said three times. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lurker89 said: That's one world for some of these posters.? It must suck to still hold a flame for a POS like Jamal while simultaneously being a humorless c**t with no concept of hyperbole. A little harsh there Lurker, even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: Right. I guess McDougald just missed the Pro Bowl and being a First Team All Pro the last two years. The guy is a legend. We should have just taken him straight up for Adams and been high fiving JD for taking Seattle to the cleaners. Even better. JD bamboozled Seattle into giving him to us along with two firsts and a third. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Losmeister said: and it wasnt even garbage time in favor of the JEts... it was down 4 tds Yep. He was facing guys whose last time on a field was in New England's fourth preseason game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: A little harsh there Lurker, even for you. You weren't included .... You know I love your sad sack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: yea it was in the thread title. I'm sure this guy that no one ever heard of who the Seahawks threw into their bouquet of picks to acquire Adams is much better than Jamal. I'm glad we finally got our guy and we can move along from a thread for ever tweet Adams makes. That certainly would be nice...either way, I will lose zero sleep...and I wish the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Yep. He was facing guys whose last time on a field was in New England's fourth preseason game. Best Safety in the league. How do I know? A bunch of jet hating loudmouths on ESPN say so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Even better. JD bamboozled Seattle into giving him to us along with two firsts and a third. Exactly, the two first rounf picks was just to sweeten the deal and the third was the deal sealer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 14 hours ago, hmhertz said: was no great shakes at coverage. This is the only Adams take that truly bothers me. Adams was good in coverage. That isn't even really debatable. I'm glad he's gone, I'm glad we got a huge haul for him, and I'll be glad when I don't have to read about him anymore. But the notion that he wasn't good in coverage is and was silly. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Pac said: Its like people forgot McDougald had to be added because 2 firsts and a 3rd weren't enough for Adam's. I mean yeah let's hope McDougald is serviceable but comparing him to Jamal is absurd. This is just lazy, Pac. I expect better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: This is the only Adams take that truly bothers me. Adams was good in coverage. That isn't even really debatable. I'm glad he's gone, I'm glad we got a huge haul for him, and I'll be glad when I don't have to read about him anymore. But the notion that he wasn't good in coverage is and was silly. I think people use "bad in coverage" as a proxy for "didn't create turnovers," which is really the bigger issue. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: This is the only Adams take that truly bothers me. Adams was good in coverage. That isn't even really debatable. I'm glad he's gone, I'm glad we got a huge haul for him, and I'll be glad when I don't have to read about him anymore. But the notion that he wasn't good in coverage is and was silly. Gregg Williams sent him on a blitz 90x last year (10th most in the league) and he only had 1 INT and 7 Pass Deflections. Our best DC in years didn't want him covering people and whatever coverage skills he has just doesn't show up in the numbers. I'm tired of the Jets' "best players" being guys who have these hidden skills that aren't self-evident. Like Leonard Williams' ability to "almost" get to QB's or Quinnen Williams' secret explosiveness. I really don't care if Jamal Adams could cover RBs and TEs well based on PFF's data or QB completion % against numbers. He didn't make plays. Period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I think people use "bad in coverage" as a proxy for "didn't create turnovers," which is really the bigger issue. Yes I think that's probably the case. Agree on both accounts actually. I think it's very hard to "change" a game from his position without creating lots of turnovers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 12 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: Yeah it seems to me that McD seals the deal and makes the trade beyond doubt in our favor. I really can't imagine why the seahawks did it. Trading all that for what, perhaps a 20 % improvement in one position. Carroll LOVES Safeties. His defense is almost built around that position. Earl and Kam were his glory years. Now he's trying to replicate that and he pretty much has to that extent. Whether it will be enough in today's league remains to be seen, but if any team was going to target Jamal, it was SEA. You could argue that Jamal represents more than a 20% improvement there. But if they don't win a S.B. in the next 2 seasons, then in retrospect, it wasn't a great move for SEA. They are pushing all their chips in now for '20 and '21. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Gregg Williams sent him on a blitz 90x last year (10th most in the league) and he only had 1 INT and 7 Pass Deflections. Our best DC in years didn't want him covering people and whatever coverage skills he has just doesn't show up in the numbers. I'm tired of the Jets' "best players" being guys who have these hidden skills that aren't self-evident. Like Leonard Williams' ability to "almost" get to QB's or Quinnen Williams' secret explosiveness. I really don't care if Jamal Adams could cover RBs and TEs well based on PFF's data or QB completion % against numbers. He didn't make plays. Period. The blitz stuff is just a non starter for me. You say it's because he can't cover. Well if he blitzed 90 times last year, that leaves probably somewhere north of 300 coverage snaps. I'd say it's more of an indicator of our other pass rushers than it is of Adams coverage skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Exactly, the two first rounf picks was just to sweeten the deal and the third was the deal sealer. Hype is an amazing thing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Adams is 10 times better than McDougald Is this just your "feelings" again, or do you have any factual, production-based metric to support this 10:1 ratio? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, nycdan said: Carroll LOVES Safeties. His defense is almost built around that position. Earl and Kam were his glory years. Now he's trying to replicate that and he pretty much has to that extent. Whether it will be enough in today's league remains to be seen, but if any team was going to target Jamal, it was SEA. You could argue that Jamal represents more than a 20% improvement there. But if they don't win a S.B. in the next 2 seasons, then in retrospect, it wasn't a great move for SEA. They are pushing all their chips in now for '20 and '21. he's tryan recreate that w/ safeties that are not near as good... jajajajajaja adams isnt as good as victor green much less kam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: Is this just your "feelings" again, or do you have any factual, production-based metric to support this 10:1 ratio? jetthink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 16 hours ago, hmhertz said: Nice piece from Cimini on Bradley McDougald Today, 05:40 PM "One of my biggest strengths is my cover skills," McDougald said. "I like to match up on the other team's best tight end and follow him around, and try to be as disruptive as possible. I've had some success against some of the biggest-name tight ends in the game." Based solely on what I've read on JN and a few draft sites, between Maye, Davis and McDougald we should have solid help on the back-end to take some pressure off of our below-average CBs. Would love to see film breakdown or numbers on the above. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: The blitz stuff is just a non starter for me. You say it's because he can't cover. Well if he blitzed 90 times last year, that leaves probably somewhere north of 300 coverage snaps. I'd say it's more of an indicator of our other pass rushers than it is of Adams coverage skills. It says that Adams doesn't make plays like a ballhawking Safety, so might as well send him on a lot of blitzes with our lack of pass rushers. That's what it said last year under GW, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: The blitz stuff is just a non starter for me. You say it's because he can't cover. Well if he blitzed 90 times last year, that leaves probably somewhere north of 300 coverage snaps. I'd say it's more of an indicator of our other pass rushers than it is of Adams coverage skills. Agreed. He was actually above average in coverage and played coverage a lot. That he was asked to blitz because he's an elite blitzer from the secondary should not be to his detriment. In coverage, certain posters will point to 1 of 3 plays where JA got beat in his three years here, but again, that percentage should be highlighted, not used to his detriment. My biggest problem with him was always his inability to be a game changer. I haven't checked but going off memory, I'd be willing to bet that many of his sacks came on non-passing downs (1st downs, 2nd and less than 7 downs, 3rd and less than 4 downs), and both of his career ints had no material impact on the outcome of the games. For that, I'm extremely pleased with the trade. But I agree with your premise that the extra hate about his ability in coverage are complete BS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Warfish said: Is this just your "feelings" again, or do you have any factual, production-based metric to support this 10:1 ratio? He is clearly better than McDougald at one thing: 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, sourceworx said: He is clearly better than McDougald at one thing: i posted a similar jets version sometime back... was gonna do it again... now i dont have to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 he can also do... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, nycdan said: McDonain now for '20 and '21. This is no joke. Just recently they have drafted (2017) Delano Hill (3), Tedric Thompson (4), Michael Tyson (6), 2018 Tre Flowers (5), 2019 Marquise Blair (2) and Ugo Amadi (4). That is in addition to paying McDougald a pretty nice contract, and trading with the Lions to take on Quandre Diggs hefty deal. They also traded 7ths to the Raiders for Shalom Luani (2018) and tweener LB/S Dewey McDonald (2017). Strange they went after so many guys that had been with the Raiders (Neiko Thorpe was also there) but I guess they both love measurables. When you consider all that outlay over the last 3 or 4 years trying to replace Chancellor and Thomas, at least they are solidified. Like the Jets paying Faneca after that disgrace at LG in 2007. I don't think it was a good move on their part, but they probably see it as solving a problem they were having a tough time with and I am sure that they are confident they can fill their other holes more cheaply. Their roster is pretty solid and I think they will have a pretty good shot. They probably look at it like trading for and paying Duane Brown - yes it was picks and a bunch of money, but they don't have to worry about that for now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: @Gastineau Lives Why don’t you want to pay players, you anti-capitalist stooge? I'd pay you 5/100 mil to shut your McMouth for a week. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: This is just lazy, Pac. I expect better. Come hell or high water you and the other humorless jokers will try to convince smart people that McDougald is nearly as good as Adams. It was funny at first when I thought you were trolling but holy crap some if you are being sincere! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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