Jetsfan80 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: If he’s good but not All-Pro good, the Jets could give him a two year, ~$15 mil deal that’d be more than he’d get elsewhere. Bell knows that 30 year old is the cliff for him, and Douglas giving him slightly above market would be fair. Would this be a situation where the Jets cut him first, or would it have to be a restructure to keep him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Unless Mims is a beast Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, DetroitRed said: Unless Mims is a beast Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Probably will take until the midway point of the season, at earliest, to figure that out. If we run a lot of 2-TE sets, I imagine it'll be Mims whose snaps suffer, not Perriman's or Crowder's. Mims not being able to practice right now is going to severely put a dent in his playing time in the first quarter/half of the season. And that's OK. We can't be putting someone out there for a ton of snaps who does not yet have chemistry with Darnold. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saul Goodman Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 Wish we could get some info on how the offensive linemen other than Becton are performing, particularly Fant 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I'd love to see this. Gives Becton some help on the left side and puts the best receiving options we have on the field at all times. Not that we can pull off what Belichick did, but the Patriots once played an entire season with a base 2-TE look and it worked well. It's somewhat backwards in today's NFL but in that sense it could also work (zigging while others zag). I think it makes too much sense. Wesco is basically an extra OL who can line up on the line, or at H-back or FB. If you want more receiving ability in the lineup, Herndon and Griffin are both capable receivers and blockers, making disguising routes easy. Given the state of both the WRs and OL, and the fact that the TE room actually looks strong, how can you not be in 12 personnel the majority of the time? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, choon328 said: Lol Dude step away he's trying to descalate the personal attack that you started. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, choon328 said: No it's not. His posts are dumb and that's not personal. I have no idea if he's dumb or not. Is this really the hill you want to die on? I disagree with a lot of what he posts too, but him and I discuss it because that's the point of a message board is. Sometimes we never reach a consensus and we still disagree. Your lack of any elaboration is what makes the posts pointless and inflammatory. Don't say I don't care about you @Matt39 ??. This is forever recorded in internet history lol. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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addage Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Matt39 said: Honestly just reading between the lines from Cimini (who's the only guy willing to provide any analysis) this seems like a team pretty light on talent, especially on offense. Darnold seems like Darnold still (meh). Beckton is a work in progress. Quinnen Williams continues to take up space. Nathan Shephard seems to be a player. It's also extremely troubling that Mims and Zuniga- two guys expected to contribute this season have not practiced yet. Brian Poole got a new deal and showed up out of shape. Agree that Cimini is good—when he wants to be. Often, he’s in to ripping on the Jets. I was surprised at your comment that he thinks the Jets light on talent. When I read his columns, I am amazed at how positive he is this year. Seems to me he thinks the Jets have moved from the bottom of the pack to the middle. Sad to say that’s progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: Gase said something about Mims a week ago which I thought was telling. He said that Mims is a guy who’d rather be out on the field doing it (learning the offense) than sitting in a classroom. It could very well be that Mims isn’t the sharpest of tacks and they’re holding him back until he knows where to line up and not screw up the offense. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it could be an explanation of why he dropped a bit in the draft. (I don't think I've heard any other plausible reasons.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, thshadow said: I have no idea if that's true or not, but it could be an explanation of why he dropped a bit in the draft. (I don't think I've heard any other plausible reasons.) Douglas interviewed Mims, twice, in the pre-draft process. He also felt comfortable enough to trade down with Mims sitting on the board. So it could go both ways on this. Was Mims a guy Douglas simply "had to have"? No. But it's also true he went ahead and picked him rather than trading down again or choosing a different WR. Those 2 interviews must have yielded more positives than negatives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: Gase said something about Mims a week ago which I thought was telling. He said that Mims is a guy who’d rather be out on the field doing it (learning the offense) than sitting in a classroom. It could very well be that Mims isn’t the sharpest of tacks and they’re holding him back until he knows where to line up and not screw up the offense. Jerry Rice scored a 6 on the Wonderlic score.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 improved mechanics will lead to improved accuracy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Wish we could get some info on how the offensive linemen other than Becton are performing, particularly Fant As a group I have heard a couple times good in pass not getting push in run which is OK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 12 hours ago, KRL said: Here's what I can gather so far based on how I know they operate: - Darnold has better command of the offense and is processing faster. His chemistry with the TE's and Perriman seems to be good. White seems to have flashed in his reps so we may have to "hide" him on the PS - #1 OLine has functioned decently and has better chemistry than what was expected. Becton seems to be a quick study who isn't overwhelmed by what's getting thrown at him - At WR Crowder is a given and Perriman (with his frame) seems like he could be a more consistent replacement for Anderson. But with no Mims yet the rest of the group has a lot to prove - The TE group is deep and improved. With the questions at WR we may see a lot more 2 or even 3 TE sets. With Herndon and Griffin able to flex out and stretch the field it makes sense - Bell and Gore are both in terrific shape and will be the mainstays of the running game. Perine will get on the field in specials but I think this will be a "redshirt year" - The DLine seems to have maintained their performance from last year. But Williams has flashed and if he performs (he better) up to his draft status this group will take a huge step forward - Nothing special has been reported about the LB's but it seems like Jenkins has been flashing consistent edge pressure - The injuries to Poole and Desir seems to have helped the CB group. Because Austin and Wilson have increased their reps and have been making plays pretty consistently. When the vets return we may actually have a deep/talented group - The safety group is playing out like I thought. McDougald has moved into FS, Maye has moved into the "hybrid" role and Davis is a "chess piece". And all have been consistently making plays We are still blind and won't know anything until the BUF game but those are my 2 cents love it thanks you're so positive any negatives? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 19 hours ago, T0mShane said: If he’s good but not All-Pro good, the Jets could give him a two year, ~$15 mil deal that’d be more than he’d get elsewhere. Bell knows that 30 year old is the cliff for him, and Douglas giving him slightly above market would be fair. Just like I don't care what Adam Gase did in Miami, I don't care what Bell did in Pittsburgh. Considering the circumstances I think our head coach did a good job last year, however I haven't seen s*** from Le'Veon Bell. His attitude has surprisingly been positive but as a player I've seen nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 18 hours ago, RoadFan said: I expect Perine's role to be the goal line specialist as the season progresses. Perine has a knack for getting in the end zone from inside the 5. The one thing Bell has never been that great at. The only weakness in his game. A few weeks ago I said I really liked Perine and he'll probably be our starting running back by the end of the season. I think they brought in Gore just to teach this guy and I think Bell will be a third-down back and used more as a wide receiver. Perine is a tough little MF and he's got some great highlights. 511 215 and he plays bigger than he is. My dude is just a good football player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Just like I don't care what Adam Gase did in Miami, I don't care what Bell did in Pittsburgh. Considering the circumstances I think our head coach did a good job last year, however I haven't seen s*** from Le'Veon Bell. His attitude has surprisingly been positive but as a player I've seen nothing. You're going to see the slim version of Bell. And it will be a joy to watch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 12 hours ago, johnnysd said: As a group I have heard a couple times good in pass not getting push in run which is OK It's not okay. The Jets need something of a running game to help get the offense moving. Darnold is good at play action, but no one's gonna bite if Le'Veon Bell can only muster 3.2 ypc. The only possible positive spin on the OL's failure to move the LoS is that the Jets rushing defense is that good. It was very good last year, and QW and Shepherd, at least, have been getting really good reports. Still, the offense needs to break a couple runs in practice. I just think that Bell's style is just not a good fit. He might have more rushes than any other back this year, but I don't think he'll have the majority. I think if Gore and Perine just hit the hole, the coaches will be calling more plays for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, slats said: It's not okay. The Jets need something of a running game to help get the offense moving. Darnold is good at play action, but no one's gonna bite if Le'Veon Bell can only muster 3.2 ypc. The only possible positive spin on the OL's failure to move the LoS is that the Jets rushing defense is that good. It was very good last year, and QW and Shepherd, at least, have been getting really good reports. Still, the offense needs to break a couple runs in practice. I just think that Bell's style is just not a good fit. He might have more rushes than any other back this year, but I don't think he'll have the majority. I think if Gore and Perine just hit the hole, the coaches will be calling more plays for them. I think the misperception here is that, because douglas spent so much money on the OL in FA and then drafted beckton, that the OL would immediately be better in both run and pass blocking. Truth this OL is still a work in progress, unfortunately. I think in the early games, they’re going to have to use a lot of rollouts and screens to open up the run game. I do think guys like mims and perriman will be around and contribute week 1 but that doesn’t mean the OL will get the push vs the bills and 49ers needed to spring bell. They’re going to have to get creative on offense and i think we’ll see what gase is made of right away this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: Wish we could get some info on how the offensive linemen other than Becton are performing, particularly Fant Imagine that. Our beat is weak. @KRL put these guys to absolute shame with actual information. Connor Hughes said it last week. The main skill of a "journalist" these days is the ability to be negative. They're just looking for the low hanging fruit. There should A report on every single player and what they did in practice imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Lot of draft picks among the missing. If we can't pick players who can stay on the field then we are never going to be better. Disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Imagine that. Our beat is weak. @KRL put these guys to absolute shame with actual information. Connor Hughes said it last week. The main skill of a "journalist" these days is the ability to be negative. There just looking for the low hanging fruit. There should A report on every single player and what they did in practice imo. To be fair do these journalists have the same access to practice, i don’t know. Can they sit and watch certain players like they used to? I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I know all the teams are in same situation with regards to preparation for this season, but the Jets, specifically on offense are essentially trying to get an entirely new O-line and receiver group up to speed. When you have so little consistency and continuity on a year to year basis, it’s almost like starting over every training camp. I really don’t expect this team to be very good, they may play well in spots, but you can’t realistically expect anything beyond a .500 record at best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: To be fair do these journalists have the same access to practice, i don’t know. Can they sit and watch certain players like they used to? I have no idea. I don’t think they have nearly the access or vantage point to really get into too many specifics, especially when it comes to watching specific O-linemen. They’ll report the basics like who caught a pass or who made a tackle, but I don’t think they can really see what’s going on in the line play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 If the GM can't assemble a competent training staff we could be in trouble. Jets seem to have more hamstring injuries than other teams. Disturbing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, sec101row23 said: I don’t think they have nearly the access or vantage point to really get into too many specifics, especially when it comes to watching specific O-linemen. They’ll report the basics like who caught a pass or who made a tackle, but I don’t think they can really see what’s going on in the line play. That was my hunch. But i agree with your other post here, the jets are adding too many new starters to offense to expect good results early on, esp. against some of the top defenses. 5 new OL, perriman and even herndon who didn’t play last year. So the only guys on offense who started last year are darnold, bell and crowder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: That was my hunch. But i agree with your other post here, the jets are adding too many new starters to offense to expect good results early on, esp. against some of the top defenses. 5 new OL, perriman and even herndon who didn’t play last year. So the only guys on offense who started last year are darnold, bell and crowder. Agreed. Plus, when you look at all the new faces and all the positions that were turned over, it’s not like there were a bunch of Pro Bowl players brought in either. Some nice players for sure, but the overall talent level on this offense is still severely lacking. Hopefully 3/5ths of this O-line can secure their spots and we don’t have to overhaul the line again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: That was my hunch. But i agree with your other post here, the jets are adding too many new starters to offense to expect good results early on, esp. against some of the top defenses. 5 new OL, perriman and even herndon who didn’t play last year. So the only guys on offense who started last year are darnold, bell and crowder. Bills, 49ers, & Broncos all top 10 defenses, weeks 1,2,&4 ... very tough with so many ?'s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Agreed. Plus, when you look at all the new faces and all the positions that were turned over, it’s not like there were a bunch of Pro Bowl players brought in either. Some nice players for sure, but the overall talent level on this offense is still severely lacking. Hopefully 3/5ths of this O-line can secure their spots and we don’t have to overhaul the line again next year. Unfortunately you’re probably looking at at least 1 high OL draft pick next year, with 2 1s and even 2 3s which can be used to move up if necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Unfortunately you’re probably looking at at least 1 high OL draft pick next year, with 2 1s and even 2 3s which can be used to move up if necessary. No doubt. The team needs will be the same as this past draft. OL, WR, CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: No doubt. The team needs will be the same as this past draft. OL, WR, CB. I agree with the first 2. If Bless and Bryce are healthy, don't think CB will be a need for at least 5 years. Think Edge will still be top 3 need, especially if Zuniga can't even get on the damn field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: To be fair do these journalists have the same access to practice, i don’t know. Can they sit and watch certain players like they used to? I have no idea. Either way it's always close to the same thing. KRL's report would be the best of all the camp reports by far. The beat reporters zero in on a few things and keep it there. I'll take whatever info comes out of course but it would be great to hear a report without the "story lines" that they think are important. Anyhoo, I'm just bitching about stuff over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 TO ALL JETS BEAT REPORTERS! We would like more information on: How is Fant doing? More details on Wesco. How is his blocking? Where is he lining up? As much info on WR3/4/5. We heard a few tidbits on Cage but need more. Is he playing with the twos? Ones? How's his blocking? Aside from an occasional catch how is Jeff Smith doing? Berrios? What's the issue with the run blocking? Now that Cameron is on the field, is he actually playing? Dig people. Dig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 10:16 AM, slats said: Wesco seems to've made the most of his reps with Griffin and Brown out, too. I think 2 TEs could be the base offense this year. Given how deep we (seemingly) are at TE and how perilously thin we are at WR I think 12 personnel could easily be the package we trot out most frequently. Darnold has more displayed more consistent chemistry with Herdnon and Griffin than any WR since he got here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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