TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 To me, the Broncos' outstanding defense along with all those Jets' turnovers were what cost us that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: The Jets committed 6 turnovers to Denver's 0. We did stop Denver on downs at the 1 which is like a huge turnover but the TOs were huge yet only a 33-27 TOP difference. A TO didn't lead to the McCaffery play and the TD on that drive, a TO didn't lead to their second FG which put them up 13-10, a TO didn't lead to their 2nd TD to put them up 20-10. All those TOs led to 2 FGs. Without Lawrence Taylor Bill Belichick has a history of his D's coming up small in big games/big moments. The Broncos protected the ball better or did our D not make plays to turn it over? Denver forced at least 3 of those TOs with big hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Elway's stats in the '98 AFC CG: Tough day to pass but the biggest play of the game came from Elway's arm and knowing for difficult it was too pass they allowed 167 yards on the ground from TD. Denver knew even when we were moving the ball through the air that we'd gave to run to win, they sold out to stop the run. We allowed TD to destroy us in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: To me, the Broncos' outstanding defense along with all those Jets' turnovers were what cost us that game. They were ranked 8th in points allowed the Jets were 2nd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, Savage69 said: They were ranked 8th in points allowed the Jets were 2nd.. Who cares about rankings? The Denver D played much better in that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: We did stop Denver on downs at the 1 which is like a huge turnover but the TOs were huge yet only a 33-27 TOP difference. A TO didn't lead to the McCaffery play and the TD on that drive, a TO didn't lead to their second FG which put them up 13-10, a TO didn't lead to their 2nd TD to put them up 20-10. All those TOs led to 2 FGs. Without Lawrence Taylor Bill Belichick has a history of his D's coming up small in big games/big moments. The Broncos protected the ball better or did our D not make plays to turn it over? Denver forced at least 3 of those TOs with big hits. If the score was 17-10 (as opposed to 23-10), it's a MUCH different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If the score was 17-10 (as opposed to 23-10), it's a MUCH different game. Sure, also if they didn't let TD run wild in the second(115 yds on 5.5 YPC) half it's a much different game. It was a team loss but when you have the genius as your DC you'd like to think he can come up with a better game plan in those conditions. Unfortunately forget Jets assistant Greg Robinson did the better job that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Sure, also if they didn't let TD run wild in the second(115 yds on 5.5 YPC) half it's a much different game. It was a team loss but when you have the genius as your DC you'd like to think he can come up with a better game plan in those conditions. Unfortunately forget Jets assistant Greg Robinson did the better job that day. 6 turnovers to none and we lost by only 13 points. This game was absolutely not Belichick's fault. Also our DB fell down on the Broncos' 1st TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: 6 turnovers to none and we lost by only 13 points. This game was absolutely not Belichick's fault. Also our DB fell down on the Broncos' 1st TD. The genius had a 10 point second half lead in a weather game which made Denver one dimensional and he couldn't take away that one dimension. His counterpart did though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, nyjunc said: The genius had a 10 point second half lead in a weather game which made Denver one dimensional and he couldn't take away that one dimension. His counterpart did though. How often do teams win when they lose the turnover battle 6-0? And how often do they even stay within 13 points of their opponent? And our 1st TD allowed was caused by a DB falling down. (which is obviously not BB's fault). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: How often do teams win when they lose the turnover battle 6-0? And how often do they even stay within 13 points of their opponent? And our 1st TD allowed was caused by a DB falling down. (which is obviously not BB's fault). How often do we play games where teams are one dimensional? How often have we had a 10 point second half lead in an AFC Championship Game? The O deserves their share of the blame but our D didn't do enough. Denver's D stopped the run, they forced turnovers. They out physicalled the Jets and that's why they won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, nyjunc said: How often do we play games where teams are one dimensional? How often have we had a 10 point second half lead in an AFC Championship Game? The O deserves their share of the blame but our D didn't do enough. Denver's D stopped the run, they forced turnovers. They out physicalled the Jets and that's why they won. The Broncos were not one dimensional. Heck, Vinny threw for 350 yards that day so clearly it was possible to gain yardage through the air. And what was a reasonable expectation for the defense that day? To hold the Broncos to 10 points in regulation despite us losing the turnover battle 6-0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: The Broncos were not one dimensional. Heck, Vinny threw for 350 yards that day so clearly it was possible to gain yardage through the air. And what was a reasonable expectation for the defense that day? To hold the Broncos to 10 points in regulation despite us losing the turnover battle 6-0? Vinny was great that day, elway was not but continually throwing in those conditions wasn't a recipe for success. Denver knew it and went all out to stop Curtis and did. It was reasonable for a defensive genius not to get outcoached by Greg Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Vinny was great that day, elway was not but continually throwing in those conditions wasn't a recipe for success. Denver knew it and went all out to stop Curtis and did. It was reasonable for a defensive genius not to get outcoached by Greg Robinson. So how many points allowed should BB's defense have reasonably allowed that day? (Again, keeping in mind that we lost the turnover battle 6-0). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 6:47 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: So how many points allowed should BB's defense have reasonably allowed that day? (Again, keeping in mind that we lost the turnover battle 6-0). They shouldn't have blown a 10 point lead with conditions helping both defenses that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: They shouldn't have blown a 10 point lead with conditions helping both defenses that day. Was it his fault that our DB fell down, leading to Denver's 1st TD? (And, IIRC, we turned it over on the next kickoff, leading to a game-tying FG). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 9:26 AM, Biggs said: 14 yards rushing 2 INT's and 3 lost fumbles. Yea it was BB fault that a team with 3 HOF players on O beat us in mile high stadium. The only TD we scored was a 3 and out by our D inside the Denver 10 and a blocked punt that gave us the ball on the Denver 1. Didn’t Chrebet and Byars fumble in that game? Total self destruction. So unlike a Tuna team. 10-0 and they let Elway go deep in 2nd half. BB really goofed there and the floodgates were open. We lost all momentum after that. We were primed to win that game, crush the Falcons and return the following year ready to roll for another run. Just heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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