Jetsfan80 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Good trade for the Browns after the Delpit injury, and taking advantage of the Jacksonville fire sale. Harrison is yet another Safety who had more INTs in the last 2 seasons (3) than Jamal Adams has in his career (2). https://www.nfl.com/news/ronnie-harrison-browns-acquire-safety-from-jaguars-in-trade Browns acquire safety Ronnie Harrison from Jaguars in trade Published: Sep 03, 2020 at 03:22 PM Kevin Patra Around the NFL Writer The Jacksonville Jaguars jettisoned another starter. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the Jags traded safety Ronnie Harrison to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for a 2021 fifth-round pick, per a source informed of the deal. The teams later confirmed the trade. The Browns had a need at safety following the season-ending injury to promising rookie safety Grant Delpit. A former third-round pick out of Alabama in 2018, Harrison started 22 of 28 games in the Jags secondary. He missed two games in 2019 due to a concussion, compiling 71 tackles, two sacks, nine passes defended and two interceptions in 14 starts last year. It was an up-and-down year at safety for Harrison, who provides the versatility to thump ball-carriers and cover in space but was part of several breakdowns in the Jags secondary. Harrison is the latest starter to leave Jacksonville, following the recent trade of Yannick Ngakoue and the cutting of Leonard Fournette. The 23-year-old Harrison brings talent and upside to Cleveland with starting experience and special teams ability, having played 814 snaps in 2019, per Next Gen Stats. The Jags continue to accrue draft picks while trading away young talent. Jacksonville now has 11 picks in the 2021 draft -- and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Other safety news: The Cowboys cut HaHa Clinton Dix. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Safeties are irreplaceable. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GREENBEAN Posted September 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2020 The first 3 posts in this thread are the trifecta of Safety lovers on JN. It's quite beautiful actually 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: The first 3 posts in this thread are the trifecta of Safety lovers on JN. It's quite beautiful actually Everyone here loves Ashtyn Davis.......until he makes a pro bowl then they'll want him out. 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Everyone here loves Ashtyn Davis.......until he makes a pro bowl then they'll want him out. Him making the Pro Bowl would be another middle finger to the Prez, so you're wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 6 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Everyone here loves Ashtyn Davis.......until he makes a pro bowl then they'll want him out. This may be the most accurate yet saddest post ever. it happens, for pretty much, every good player this team ever had. For some reason there’s this fascination with never paying anyone to save the all-mighty cap dollar. Yet then never wanting to sign quality free agents - to save that almighty cap dollar. so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: This may be the most accurate yet saddest post ever. it happens, for pretty much, every good player this team ever had. For some reason there’s this fascination with never paying anyone to save the all-mighty cap dollar. Yet then never wanting to sign quality free agents - to save that almighty cap dollar. so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. So you're agreeing that Ashtyn Davis was a great draft pick and a future star? JD appreciates your support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Wills looking rough in tc supposedly. I’m looking forward to the next Baker meltdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Everyone here loves Ashtyn Davis.......until he makes a pro bowl then they'll want him out. Wah! The jets traded an overrated box safety for multiple first round picks Wah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted September 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Harrison is yet another Safety who had more INTs in the last 2 seasons (3) than Jamal Adams has in his career (2). You should name your penis, "Dead Horse," because no one beats it like you do. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, slats said: You should name your penis, "Dead Horse," because no one beats it like you do. You can lead a dead horse to sex but you can’t make him ......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: So you're agreeing that Ashtyn Davis was a great draft pick and a future star? JD appreciates your support. I didn't dislike the pick at all. I thought it was good value there. I don't hate JD - I just think he's still very much an unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This may be the most accurate yet saddest post ever. it happens, for pretty much, every good player this team ever had. For some reason there’s this fascination with never paying anyone to save the all-mighty cap dollar. Yet then never wanting to sign quality free agents - to save that almighty cap dollar. so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. Sorry Buddy, but getting two first round picks in exchange to not reset the NFL's $B'er market was about as genius as it gets. That's a trade that will help build this team with Seattle's regrets and tears. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This may be the most accurate yet saddest post ever. it happens, for pretty much, every good player this team ever had. For some reason there’s this fascination with never paying anyone to save the all-mighty cap dollar. Yet then never wanting to sign quality free agents - to save that almighty cap dollar. so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. so let me guess, you didn't like the adams trade? i think we need to pick and choose the players that we fans deem irreplaceable carefully. there's no denying that adams was a good player (as he should've been considering he was the 6th pick) but at the same time the safety position is pretty easy to fill so having a very good safety who will want a boatload of money doesn't necessarily improve the team. in fact it may hinder the team because the resource allocation will be wrong. as for the jets and the salary cap, that's just wrong thinking. the jets historically have been generous. look at how tanny gave away money. harris was a really good player but he didn't deserve his last contract. or how about mac with his signing of revis and wilky. and then paying fitzy and then mccown some pretty good money for a back up. it's not about them spending money. it's about who they spend the money on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, slats said: Sorry Buddy, but getting two first round picks in exchange to not reset the NFL's $B'er market was about as genius as it gets. That's a trade that will help build this team with Seattle's regrets and tears. So now we have $50mm in cap space, no one to pay - and two extra first round picks one of which we can't expect to substantially contribute until 4 years from now... All with the hopes that one of them turns out to be as good as Adams. What exactly do you want to do with all the cap space? I know you're against signing top flight FA's and it seems, you're against paying the good players we've drafted. I am honestly curious how you expect to build a winning team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 14 hours ago, T0mShane said: Other safety news: The Cowboys cut HaHa Clinton Dix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: So now we have $50mm in cap space, no one to pay - and two extra first round picks one of which we can't expect to substantially contribute until 4 years from now... All with the hopes that one of them turns out to be as good as Adams. What exactly do you want to do with all the cap space? I know you're against signing top flight FA's and it seems, you're against paying the good players we've drafted. I am honestly curious how you expect to build a winning team? Adams plays a low-value, easily replaced position. Getting two firsts for him was highway robbery. Paying a SS the money he wants would be stupid (which is why the Seahawks aren't paying him, yet). You build a winning team by making your big purchases at the positions that matter: QB, OL, WR, CB, and Edge. You build a loser by overpaying a narcissistic self-promoter to play SS. Adams isn't as good as you or he thinks, either. Trading him away on its own was a bullet dodged. Getting what JD got? Geez... how can even you complain about that after the way Adams shot himself off the team? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This may be the most accurate yet saddest post ever. it happens, for pretty much, every good player this team ever had. For some reason there’s this fascination with never paying anyone to save the all-mighty cap dollar. Yet then never wanting to sign quality free agents - to save that almighty cap dollar. so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. We have been the biggest spenders in FA since year one when we brought in Lott, Marshall and Esiason among others. Im not sure how you can make this statement. The sad truth is that we rarely draft anyone worth paying. Tell me what Wilkerson, Richardson and Pryor have done out there once traded or let go. It's not about not wanting to keep good players. It's about wanting good players imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 12 hours ago, GREENBEAN said: The first 3 posts in this thread are the trifecta of Safety lovers on JN. It's quite beautiful actually Like viewing wild animals in their natural habitat. A site to truly behold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, slats said: Adams plays a low-value, easily replaced position. Getting two firsts for him was highway robbery. Paying a SS the money he wants would be stupid (which is why the Seahawks aren't paying him, yet). You build a winning team by making your big purchases at the positions that matter: QB, OL, WR, CB, and Edge. You build a loser by overpaying a narcissistic self-promoter to play SS. Adams isn't as good as you or he thinks, either. Trading him away on its own was a bullet dodged. Getting what JD got? Geez... how can even you complain about that after the way Adams shot himself off the team? It's not just Adams it's the entire off-season, it's the entire 5 off-season Adam's was literally the ONLY good player on the roster when he was traded. At some point you need to build a roster that can compete. being in a perpetual rebuild doesn't accomplish anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GREENBEAN said: We have been the biggest spenders in FA since year one when we brought in Lott, Marshall and Esiason among others. Im not sure how you can make this statement. The sad truth is that we rarely draft anyone worth paying. Tell me what Wilkerson, Richardson and Pryor have done out there once traded or let go. It's not about not wanting to keep good players. It's about wanting good players imo. The last quality players we've had in Revis and Adams were traded away in their prime.. When talking about FA's - I"m referencing the fan base - all we want to do is complain about spending money and trade away our players. good players are more valuable than draft picks. The whole idea of draft picks is to find good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 21 hours ago, FidelioJet said: The last quality players we've had in Revis and Adams were traded away in their prime.. When talking about FA's - I"m referencing the fan base - all we want to do is complain about spending money and trade away our players. good players are more valuable than draft picks. The whole idea of draft picks is to find good players. Revis was not in his prime but I hear ya. 2009-10 were his prime. We traded him after a knee surgery in 2013. It's funny. I have a love for draft picks, but also a love for picking good players with them. So technically I'm one of those guys. The problem over the past 20 years is that our GM's were not actually supposed to be GM's. We can pay good players who will help build the team. Adam's contribution was minimal at best. no picks and 6 1/2 sacks where 5 of them took place in 2 games against horrible teams with rookie QBs. I liked him too but getting two 1sts is better than paying that kind of player. We are watching an actual guy who knows football build a team. Sure it could fail but it's interesting to finally get to watch this happen to the Jets. Like cutting Harrison. I liked him too, but the truth is he is a jag. He's just been the best we've had over the past few years. JD cut him because he has a higher standard for even our reserves. I like it even though I don't. Does that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82nd Airborne Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Cleveland Browns, 2019-2020 back-to-back off season Super Bowl champs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 6:26 AM, FidelioJet said: so instead, we’re in a perpetual rebuild because we never have good players. It's worse than I thought is the Jets front office is listening to people on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, 82nd Airborne said: Cleveland Browns, 2019-2020 back-to-back off season Super Bowl champs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, GREENBEAN said: Revis was not in his prime but I hear ya. 2009-10 were his prime. We traded him after a knee surgery in 2013. It's funny. I have a love for draft picks, but also a love for picking good players with them. So technically I'm one of those guys. The problem over the past 20 years is that our GM's were not actually supposed to be GM's. We can pay good players who will help build the team. Adam's contribution was minimal at best. no picks and 6 1/2 sacks where 5 of them took place in 2 games against horrible teams with rookie QBs. I liked him too but getting two 1sts is better than paying that kind of player. We are watching an actual guy who knows football build a team. Sure it could fail but it's interesting to finally get to watch this happen to the Jets. Like cutting Harrison. I liked him too, but the truth is he is a jag. He's just been the best we've had over the past few years. JD cut him because he has a higher standard for even our reserves. I like it even though I don't. Does that make sense? I agree with much of what you're saying. But not all.... IMO - Revis was still very much in his prime. He was still a top CB when he won a SB with the Pats. The Bucs year did feel like a rehab year though. Yes, our GM's haven't been able to draft nor have they done a good job choosing FA's - so this fan base is turned off by FA but don't seem to be turned off by the draft. FA's work, our GM's have just been really bad at choosing them. Adams is much better than you're giving him credit for, forget about the stats - just watching him play. He was all over the field. He had a huge impact on the defense, to me, it was obvious. We really don't know if JD knows how to build a football team. As I've stated many times here, he's tore this team down and seems to have a plan - but he's done close to nothing to build the team. Can he draft? We really don't know (although I believe he did pick the right positions) Can he sign good FA's? - in year one he really didn't do a very good job with that (he was in a tough position so don't blame. him) This off-season we really don't know about the guys he signed. I like the C pick-up but we'll see. I like JD so far - I would rather we try to win - but he's choosing to rebuild. So be it! He has a plan. Seems to be executing that plan pretty well to date. But this is the easy part. The Harrison move is a bit of head scratcher. But maybe you're right, he's trying to upgrade the role players this year - and look to add the impact guys later? Maybe...I mean not signing Robby and Trading away Adams does say he doesn't seem to care about impact players very much. Again, we'll see. My biggest contention around here is with the fans that are convinced he tremendously upgraded the roster. He hasn't - it's clear he's punting on the season. He's done little to make the team better this year, in fact, talent wise I believe it's worse (draft picks aside) but that's his plan. I'm happy to see his plan play out - but let's let it play out before glorifying the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82nd Airborne Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Philc1 said: The Jets management should give free t-shirts and posters with this picture when the Browns visit us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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