Jet Nut Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: Realistic. Not pessimistic. Incredibly pessimistic who thinks hes being realistic. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, PepPep said: I will add that calling him fat is moronic because the dude is a NT/DT/DE and got in shape and its just so f**king jetsy to do that. People look so dumb doing that and I'm surprised so many jet fans are following that narrative. Yep he's in good shape and says he's "unstoppable" yet still can't generate pressure against the Jets' second team OL. I don't recall a single mention of Quinnen, neither positive nor negative, the entire training camp. He was estimated to have 1 sack and 2 TFLs all of camp, per Connor Hughes. I know our beat writers suck, but I'm sure ONE would have noticed if he'd made a standout play. He's a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Drums said: 2.5 is terrible. My point is it can’t get worse than that so saying 1 sack the entire season while missing 3 games is stupid. So yeah, it seems like unnecessary hate or at least negativity. This still makes no sense. Again, we expect him to get significantly better. Anything other than that means he's a bust. Why single out that argument and say "lol he can''t get worse that's dumb!"? It's irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: This still makes no sense. Again, we expect him to get significantly better. Anything other than that means he's a bust. Why single out that argument and say "lol he can''t get worse that's dumb!"? It's irrelevant. I don’t feel like we are on the same page here. I was calling someone a hater basically while acknowledging others criticism is actually realistic. You aren’t bashing him, I actually agree with you, but the person I quoted basically was and I called him on it. Let’s stop talking about this now because I don’t see the point in continuing this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Incredibly pessimistic who thinks hes being realistic. Sorry We'll see at the end of the season. If QW has more than 2 or 3 sacks - then am I being realistic? If the Jets win 4 or 5 games - then am I being realistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: lol I thought your first post above was a joke. "Unnecessary hate"? 2.5 sacks is not good, lol. Ed Oliver had twice that, plus a Forced Fumble, and he started less games (7) than Quinnen (9). It's not "unnecessary hate" when he did basically nothing his rookie year and is very likely not going to do anything in year 2 either. Another fact which doesn't show up on the stat sheet is that his two full sacks came when he was unblocked. So he only had .5 of a sack last year when an offensive lineman actually blocked him which is pathetic for a 3rd overall pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 i really don't care if he has any sacks as long as he disrupts the flow of the run or pass blocking. if he gets a sack, great but it shouldn't be what determines what his effectiveness is.it's funny to hear that here... It is a completely grown up perspective... Remember a lot of people demanding a safety have more than 10 sacks to be call a successful safety.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dunnie said: it's funny to hear that here... It is a completely grown up perspective... Remember a lot of people demanding a safety have more than 10 sacks to be call a successful safety. Anyone who thinks Sacks are a sustainable and useful identifier of Safety play should probably just delete their accounts. And as I pointed out earlier in the thread, Quinnen's 5 QB Hurries, 11 Pressures, 3 QB Knockdowns and 6 QB Hits are not good numbers. So ignoring the Sacks and pointing out the "peripheral numbers" doesn't help Quinnen's case, either. He sucked last year, by every metric. Anyone who is on the Quinnen train needs to hope he performs significantly better in 2020 to demonstrate he's not another in a long line of DT busts in Jets history. Produce, that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Anyone who thinks Sacks are a sustainable and useful identifier of Safety play should probably just delete their accounts. And as I pointed out earlier in the thread, Quinnen's 5 QB Hurries, 11 Pressures, 3 QB Knockdowns and 6 QB Hits are not good numbers. So ignoring the Sacks and pointing out the "peripheral numbers" doesn't help Quinnen's case, either. He sucked last year, by every metric. Anyone who is on the Quinnen train needs to hope he performs significantly better in 2020 to demonstrate he's not another in a long line of DT busts in Jets history. Produce, that's it.Yup ..that sentiment goes for every position in the team.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Yup ..that sentiment goes for every position in the team. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app That we sucked last year, by every metric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82nd Airborne Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: That we sucked last year, by every metric? 2019 D Team Stats and Rankings Player PF 1stD Opp. Stats 359 302 Lg Rank Offense 31 31 Lg Rank Defense 16 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Dunnie said: it's funny to hear that here... It is a completely grown up perspective... Remember a lot of people demanding a safety have more than 10 sacks to be call a successful safety. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app i watched part of the kc-texas game and noted one play where jj watt crashed the line on a goal line play and disrupted the blocking enough so others could tackle the runner. and that's what the jets need qwill to do. he'll get his sacks if he does his primary job first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Because Allen moves around and can run I can see him getting two sacks being in the right place at the right time. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 let him bust ... as long as Becton does not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 7:59 PM, Greenbloodblitz said: A master of douchebaggery at its finest. What a way to think positive and motivate the troops! ahem......you were saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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