JetBlue Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said: The tasks of both protecting Darnold and giving him weapons were monumental. The Jets were quite deficient in both. It would have been almost impossible to address both in full in one offseason. So if they are are going to focus on one of the two, I'm glad they emphasized protecting him first. Sorry but they could have done both. Do you forget we had 9 picks after all JDs wheeling and dealing? I'm okay with the punter, OL, CB and RB picks but back up QB in the 4th and then trading for a back up CB in Wilson are two of the moves that I have issues with and said so at the time. In any other year I could understand maybe, but this year the WR depth in terms of talent literally went into the 6th round. How we came away with just one wr is still a sore spot for me as much as I try and get over it. I was hoping Cager or Campbell could make up for it, and maybe Cager still will at some point, but sometimes you can get a little too cute. I hope JD learned something from this and next time he is in a situation like this he will not over think it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Skeptable said: Understood... Tough to argue otherwise... I think he proves to you that he is worthy this year despite the lack of talent surrounding him. i sure af hope so!!! i was telling @slats that i didnt even know who the hell Darnold was before the draft. ( i watch GOOD NCAA teams not the Bowls that USED to ean something so i never saw THAT rosebowl game) i wouldnt have boughtthe NFL package and WATCHED the games cos my policy since 2012 has been if they aint good, i dont watch. So, Darnold is the reason I even WATCH this team these days... I like him alot, very decent young guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Savage69 said: When is the last time we had a bowl winning QB as a backup?? Youthink the ghost of Joe Flacco is is a quality b/u? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Maybe... Both narratives work but seimian did decently in Denver when surrounded with better talent. barely better than Sanchez... who last appeared semi-competent for a few games in Philly 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Losmeister said: Youthink the ghost of Joe Flacco is is a quality b/u? He's a year younger then Vinny was in 1998 who knows?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, JetBlue said: Sorry but they could have done both. Do you forget we had 9 picks after all JDs wheeling and dealing? I'm okay with the punter, OL, CB and RB picks but back up QB in the 4th and then trading for a back up CB in Wilson are two of the moves that I have issues with and said so at the time. In any other year I could understand maybe, but this year the WR depth in terms of talent literally went into the 6th round. How we came away with just one wr is still a sore spot for me as much as I try and get over it. I was hoping Cager or Campbell could make up for it, and maybe Cager still will at some point, but sometimes you can get a little too cute. I hope JD learned something from this and next time he is in a situation like this he will not over think it. They could have done both, but doing so would have meant deviating from the long-term plan of building the foundation from within, from the inside out. Might that have drafted another WR in a later round? Sure. But it is difficult to tell whether that WR would have truly significantly improved the weapons on this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Savage69 said: He's a year younger then Vinny was in 1998 who knows?? actually, that is an excellent point! i got got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said: They could have done both, but doing so would have meant deviating from the long-term plan of building the foundation from within, from the inside out. Might that have drafted another WR in a later round? Sure. But it is difficult to tell whether that WR would have truly significantly improved the weapons on this team. do we know if Cager is playing? cos, if so, look for him to get one v one vs their worst CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 well the whole mims situation is bad luck. i believe next year we will go big on wr's in the draft and free agency, but with this franchise you never know. i hope we reunite sam with his old pal ju-ju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, Losmeister said: Seems like a great kid. Heads on straight. Earnest. I just have serious doubts he'll be a top 10 QB inthe NFL. Since when we drafted Darnold, what other QB should we have taken that would have elevated the Jets better than Sam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, peebag said: Since when we drafted Darnold, what other QB should we have taken that would have elevated the Jets better than Sam? I woulda taken LJ at 6. Stated as much pre-draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, Losmeister said: barely better than Sanchez... who last appeared semi-competent for a few games in Philly 2014 Ok so he was a capable NFL backup. Thanks for proving my point that it wasn't as inept as you make it sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Losmeister said: I woulda taken LJ at 6. Stated as much pre-draft. LJ on this team would be colt mccoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Sam Darnold is already raising those around him! Robby Anderson, an undrafted FA WR is getting paid some serious jing this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Skeptable said: LJ on this team would be colt mccoy you just saidcol mccoy in teh same sentence as an mvp! your football acumen is showing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetster said: Sam Darnold is already raising those around him! Robby Anderson, an undrafted FA WR is getting paid some serious jing this year! And he did better when McClown was the QB.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Ok so he was a capable NFL backup. Thanks for proving my point that it wasn't as inept as you make it sound 6 attempts. 3 yds. capable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Losmeister said: you just saidcol mccoy in teh same sentence as an mvp! your football acumen is showing.... He was MVP with the help of Roman's innovative structuring of the offensive team around LJs strengths... He absolutely proved it with responding and how his team performed around him... Given the same circumstances I think Darnold would have thrived as well. Maybe not MVP caliber but a top tier QB non the less. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Losmeister said: 6 attempts. 3 yds. capable His OL broke his ankle... Not exactly proving the point otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 hours ago, rangerous said: so you don't like the cap space? just who were they supposed to sign? conklin? and even there so instead of just having 5 olinemen who haven't played together they'd have a lot of expensive olinemen who never played together. about the only big time free agents they could have squandered their money on were wr's but even they cost quite a bit and are prima donnas. Brother I have no problem with cap space and draft capital but in a crucial year for Sam I feel like we’re doing wrong by Sam yet again with what we have. Explore the trade market bring in a guy like Samuel, Marvin Jones, Robert Woods someone like that. Perrimans already banged up we’ve got nothing if he goes down!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: Typical answer from you. Not surprised you can’t answer the question. So you can't then. Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: This take is unreasonable. Veteran franchise quarterbacks elevate lesser teams. Their first 2-3 years in the league they need a support cast before taking over as the man and knowing the offense inside and out. When a kid is still learning how to be a pro, and multiples offenses in his short career, he’s still finding his own way. You’re asking him to elevate a team like a five year vet in the same system. So he just needs time, and weapons then? Feel like I've heard that one before a few times now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: So he just needs time, and weapons then? Feel like I've heard that one before a few times now.... Yes, just like 99.9% of quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. In a year or two he should be expected to elevate the players around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Warfish said: So you can't then. Got it. I can. When someone answers a question with a question that usually means you have no answer. You can’t back up what you said. Again, not surprised you can’t, you really don’t know what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Savage69 said: He's a year younger then Vinny was in 1998 who knows?? Flacco has a neck injury that won’t go away, dude needs to retire Vinny was durable as heck that’s why he was in the nfl forever. Jets shoulda signed Moore or Kaepernick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Warfish said: So he just needs time, and weapons then? Feel like I've heard that one before a few times now.... You hear that because it’s actually true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Losmeister said: I woulda taken LJ at 6. Stated as much pre-draft. Everyone here was screaming for Baker Mayfield for 5 months before the draft. Sam is better And Lamar Jackson will be constantly getting injured in 2-3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Warfish said: So he just needs time, and weapons then? Feel like I've heard that one before a few times now.... Rich Gannon didn't do squat for around 13 years until he got HOF'ers Tim Brown and Jerry Rice at W/R then he made 5 Pro bowls and All Pro twice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Rich Gannon didn't do squat for around 13 years until he got HOF'ers Tim Brown and Jerry Rice at W/R then he made 5 Pro bowls and All Pro twice.. He’s mad Sam doesn’t have a beard and and a noodle arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: I can. When someone answers a question with a question that usually means you have no answer. You can’t back up what you said. Again, not surprised you can’t, you really don’t know what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Warfish said: Two things can be true at once: 1. The Jets have not supported Sam with talent as much as the Fans want. 2. Franchise QB's elevate the talent around them, Sam hasn't done that (yet). How does Sam elevate Denzel Mims’ two hamstrings? How does he elevate Vyncint Smith off the IR? How come he couldn’t elevate Herndon or Demaryius Thomas or Ryan Khalil last year? I’m not really joking. You can only work with what’s around you. Ask Tom Brady about his offense last year. Getting that team to a playoff loss was almost a miracle, similar to getting the 2019 Jets to finish 6-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: Everyone here was screaming for Baker Mayfield for 5 months before the draft. Sam is better. This is true. 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: And Lamar Jackson will be constantly getting injured in 2-3 years This remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 8 hours ago, jetstream23 said: This is true. This remains to be seen. Don’t forget the madden curse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 17 hours ago, Warfish said: If you say so. Wasn’t Darnold the most frequently pressured QB in the league last year? I thought I read that somewhere. Even if he was the 5th most pressured QB, how do you expect him to raise the play of others when running for your life with no running game to fall back on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 16 hours ago, JetBlue said: Sorry but they could have done both. Do you forget we had 9 picks after all JDs wheeling and dealing? I'm okay with the punter, OL, CB and RB picks but back up QB in the 4th and then trading for a back up CB in Wilson are two of the moves that I have issues with and said so at the time. In any other year I could understand maybe, but this year the WR depth in terms of talent literally went into the 6th round. How we came away with just one wr is still a sore spot for me as much as I try and get over it. I was hoping Cager or Campbell could make up for it, and maybe Cager still will at some point, but sometimes you can get a little too cute. I hope JD learned something from this and next time he is in a situation like this he will not over think it. Can you really expect a late 4th round pick to contribute much year 1 anyway? Look at Mims as an example. The Jets have two first round picks next year, and I’m certain they will bring in another high caliber WR to pair with Mims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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