Poll: Are you ready to move on from Sam?

[predator_05]

6 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

Doubted, doubted, doubted more, more and more and more and more...and now the case is closed.

 

 

Fair enough. 

 

I don't think anyone is as bad as their worst game. This was his worst ever game. So i'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm interested to see how he recovers from this. It'll reveal his character.

[UntouchableCrew]

I think you obviously have to give him the rest of this season. How the season plays out -- both in terms of our draft position and what he shows -- will determine what we do.

If the offense looks like it did yesterday and we go 2-14 or 3-13 then I think you to draft Trevor Lawrence. The guy is a Luck/Manning type prospect who is perfect for the modern game. In this scenario you assume Gase is gone too. Clean slate, new offense.

If he bounces back and has a similar season to last year (maybe slightly better stats, we go 6-10) I think you continue to build the offense through the draft while scouting the next round of QBs. He's probably not the guy but you probably let him play out his rookie deal without picking up his 5th year option.

If yesterday was an aberration (the Bills are legitimately nasty and as we get healthy the offense starts to look good) and he takes a leap obviously you feel pretty good about his future here. You pick up the 5th year option and look to continue to add pieces around him.

 

[Icer]

Its getting hard to put up a brave face and say what everyone else already thinks. He's a bust, and hasn't shown signs of improvement.

[peebag]

Sam's career arc is looking very much like Jim Plunkett's.

Incredible athlete coming out of college, gets drafted by a perennial doormat who throws him to the lions without any protection and gets pummeled by both the fans and opposing teams.

Right now, it looks as though the Jets are 2-3 years out from being competitive.  They may be forced to actually get rid of Sam and move on just for that fact.

[Jet hustle]

1 hour ago, Biggs said:

I'm ready to sit him until we can put a decent cast around him.  Playing under the current conditions isn't doing him any good. 

Do you understand how the finances work in todays nfl...... ?

[predator_05]

10 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

 

If he bounces back and has a similar season to last year (maybe slightly better stats, we go 6-10) I think you continue to build the offense through the draft while scouting the next round of QBs. He's probably not the guy but you probably let him play out his rookie deal without picking up his 5th year option.

If yesterday was an aberration (the Bills are legitimately nasty and as we get healthy the offense starts to look good) and he takes a leap obviously you feel pretty good about his future here. You pick up the 5th year option and look to continue to add pieces around him.

 

 

My only worry is that maybe us 'patient types' are somehow failing to spot the obvious. 

I remember this happening with Sam Bradford...he had a sh*tload of talent, was a highly rated prospect, but like Darnold - he had terrible luck to start his career. The media, and the fans repeatedly made excuses for him, but ultimately, the results never came. 

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. Teams are no longer bound to QBs anymore, you can easily move onto the next one. 

[Jet hustle]

21 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

 

Fair enough. 

 

I don't think anyone is as bad as their worst game. This was his worst ever game. So i'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm interested to see how he recovers from this. It'll reveal his character.

not even being cute, but I feel like we say this about Sam after every 2 or 3 games he plays

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Jet hustle said:

not even being cute, but I feel like we say this about Sam after every 2 or 3 games he plays

We do. The Monday night Patriots game was his worst game ever & now this is? No, the Patriots game is still his worst and this bullsh*t we seen yesterday isn’t far from the same level of play. He held on to the ball extremely too long, he took sacks, he threw a pick when he could of ran 4 yards. It’s very clearly Sam Darnold is not a good QB in the face of pressure...ANY pressure.

[TuscanyTile2]

39 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is true. The old standard was 19 starts. Sam has blown past that and still looks like a mush

How long did it take Eli to turn things around?

Heck, how about Mitch Trubisky yesterday?

[predator_05]

8 minutes ago, Jet hustle said:

not even being cute, but I feel like we say this about Sam after every 2 or 3 games he plays

There's because there's no consistency in his game. I'm still clueless as to how 'good' his average level of performance really is. 

[Matt39]

If Darnold is going to refuse to scramble/run then there’s no point in moving forward with him. He’s not a traditional passer, he’s also a decent athlete.  Not sure if it’s the spleen thing, but he’s not nearly good enough to not scramble if he needs to. 

[predator_05]

10 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

We do. The Monday night Patriots game was his worst game ever & now this is? No, the Patriots game is still his worst and this bullsh*t we seen yesterday isn’t far from the same level of play. He held on to the ball extremely too long, he took sacks, he threw a pick when he could of ran 4 yards. It’s very clearly Sam Darnold is not a good QB in the face of pressure...ANY pressure.

 

The reason why i give Darnold the benefit of the doubt is because he was really good under pressure in college. He made big plays in big games. But college is college...and he hasn't shown the same quality in the NFL. I would normally assume that the supporting cast is the problem, not the player, who was a damn good prospect. 

 

Maybe he just doesn't have it? 

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

 

The reason why i give Darnold the benefit of the doubt is because he was really good under pressure in college. He made big plays in big games. But college is college...and he hasn't shown the same quality in the NFL. I would normally assume that the supporting cast is the problem, not the player, who was a damn good prospect. 

 

Maybe he just doesn't have it? 

He was able to get away with running around in a circle, looping back around & throwing a bomb to the sideline in college. He was able to throw without discipline in his mechanics & footwork with zero consequences. You can’t do that in the NFL. These defenders are too good to not be in position to take advantage of an even semi-poorly thrown pass. Maybe Sam’s magic just doesn’t translate enough on the next level? That & Gase has made him a pocket passer and barely rolls him out.

[southtown24th]

44 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

 

Fair enough. 

 

I don't think anyone is as bad as their worst game. This was his worst ever game. So i'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm interested to see how he recovers from this. It'll reveal his character.

THIS WAS NOT HIS WORST GAME

Do you watch the Jets or nah?

[MS jets Fan]

It's always an all around with this team to mess up together the untimely penalties to stupid mistakes of delay of game after a possesion change.    The team was just not focused obviously!

[UntouchableCrew]

37 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

THIS WAS NOT HIS WORST GAME

Do you watch the Jets or nah?

I mean, it might be. The seeing ghosts Pats game and the rookie meltdown in Miami are the only ones that are close, but given the circumstances and his just flat out awful throws yesterday I think you can argue this was worse.

[southtown24th]

1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I mean, it might be. The seeing ghosts Pats game and the rookie meltdown in Miami are the only ones that are close, but given the circumstances and his just flat out awful throws yesterday I think you can argue this was worse.

I mean, if you think this was "his worst game", you haven't watched the last 26 starts...

[THE BARON]

No.... I want to see Sam's performance after he escapes from Gase.  That was all Tannehill needed. 

Joe Douglas... DO YOUR JOB.  FIRE ADAM GASE. 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, predator_05 said:

 

My only worry is that maybe us 'patient types' are somehow failing to spot the obvious. 

I remember this happening with Sam Bradford...he had a sh*tload of talent, was a highly rated prospect, but like Darnold - he had terrible luck to start his career. The media, and the fans repeatedly made excuses for him, but ultimately, the results never came. 

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. Teams are no longer bound to QBs anymore, you can easily move onto the next one. 

Certainly a legit concern but it's not like we have any better option at the moment though anyway.  If we stink up the joint then I'm fine drafting Trevor Lawrence.

[ScarletKnight89]

I'm legitimately worried about him.

If i'm not sold on him by the end of this year I really hope Joe D starts to look at possibly going after Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields depending if they declare.

[batman10023]

57 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

If Darnold is going to refuse to scramble/run then there’s no point in moving forward with him. He’s not a traditional passer, he’s also a decent athlete.  Not sure if it’s the spleen thing, but he’s not nearly good enough to not scramble if he needs to. 

is his speen fixed?

[SR24]

I don't want to be ready to move on from Sam but I feel his mistakes are mostly mental and in year 3 if we're still dealing with that problem being as prominent as it is, then maybe moving on is the best option. Sam was raw and we haven't really done right by him at all, but mentally he needs to be better.

[Irish Jet]

I'm worried but there's 15 games left. He has time to show us something and is going nowhere in the mean time.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

This is true. The old standard was 19 starts. Sam has blown past that and still looks like a mush

How about our HC?  He's lost 8 out of his 17 games here by double-digits.  So he gets 2 more games before you call him out as a mush too?  Or does the excuse train keep rolling along for him?

[slimjasi]

Choices B and D are somewhat redundant. In particular, choice B is probably unnecessary, since I imagine virtually everyone who agrees that we need to give Sam more time is also at least a tad bit worried after watching him in his 27th start yesterday afternoon. 

Listen, we might be overreacting a bit from week 1, but this is a huge year for Darnold. It's time for him to either take a step forward or step aside.  And the bottom line is that he got off to a really bad start yesterday.

Yes, it was only one game. Yes, week 1 has misled us before (e..g scoring 48 in Detroit in 2018). But, again, Darnold just made his 27th start. While he has certainly shown flashes of brilliance along the way, he just hasn't put it all together yet and he did not play anywhere near as well as many of us expected.  

Realistically, he's getting the rest of the season, so he still has time, but that's the other thing: Look at this schedule. Look at the supporting cast he has. What happens if/when an angry SF defense dominates our offense and we get trounced for a second straight week? We'll be starting at 0-2 with a trip to Indy and very likely 0-3. 

It just feels to me like the wheels are about to come off the Darnold train very quickly.

This is a HUGE week for him. HUGE. You can make an argument that the next two games are the biggest of his career, thus far. It's time to ball, Sam. 

[Spoot-Face]

He's got the rest of the season to prove he's not a bust. After that, he's done here. No more excuses. I want to see either 1) he plays his ass off and proves beyond all doubt that he's the guy, or 2) he completely falls off a cliff and puts us in position to draft Trevor Lawrence. Please, for the love of God, nothing in between. I don't want to see him suck for the first half of the season, then "turn it on" in the second half and brings us to 7-8 wins, while leaving us to question his inconsistency. Just either be really really good, or really really bad.

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

I’m curious to know what people think an “offense tailored to Darnold’s strengths” actually looks like.

People are going to say some words that include "designed roll outs" and "quick reads" or some nonsense.  But, this is exactly it.

"Ability to improvise" is a bonus, not a core strength.  This is only slightly less absurd than when we all tried to pretend that Chad Pennington was somehow meaningfully better than the rest of the league at selling a play-action fake.  It's why Allen, who isn't good, is so much better.  There's one or two things that Allen does in fact do well.  The Bills and he can maximize that.

Sam Darnold has no pure strength to his game.  His arm talent is middling at best, his ability to understand defenses and work through progressions is below average, his vision is poor, his deep ball is horrific, his footwork is poor, his maneuverability is solid.  There's not a thing to point to and say, he does this better than just about anyone, and that's what we're going to build around.  He needs to improve in a half a dozen ways.

[oatmeal]

Sam doesn’t have the dog in him that it takes to be better than average, on top of the horrible mechanics and poor decision making(things that have been plaguing him since USC). 
 

dude is a bust ?

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

If Darnold is going to refuse to scramble/run then there’s no point in moving forward with him. He’s not a traditional passer, he’s also a decent athlete.  Not sure if it’s the spleen thing, but he’s not nearly good enough to not scramble if he needs to. 

This is how I've felt.  He's a decent athlete who's playing QB.  He's not a QB.

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, predator_05 said:

 don't think anyone is as bad as their worst game. This was his worst ever game.

honest question what was Sam Darnold's best game? 

Green Bay? the guy doesn't exactly have any signature wins or moments 

not since the Rose Bowl 

 

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

No.... I want to see Sam's performance after he escapes from Gase.  That was all Tannehill needed. 

Joe Douglas... DO YOUR JOB.  FIRE ADAM GASE. 

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The only way Gase gets fired after this season is if the team totally collapses and we go like, 2-14, which means that Darnold most likely blew chunks, and we'll be in position to draft Lawrence anyway, and that would mean the end of Sam's career as a Jet.

[BettyBoop]

3 hours ago, Untouchable said:

No

The only way I’ll be ready to move on is if he completely sh*ts the bed the rest of the season and we’re in position to grab Lawrence.

Gase, on the other hand, can suck the wettest fart from the deepest depths of my assh0le.

Are you a poet? 

[Y3k]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I’m curious to know what people think an “offense tailored to Darnold’s strengths” actually looks like.

See Jeremy Bates offense towards the end of his rookie year. Outside of yesterday, Darnold is the most accurate on the move thrower I’ve seen. Bates designed a roll out to his freaking left because he knew he had the ability to make they throw. Darnold is deadly in space, not being a statue in the pocket. 

[Y3k]

Sam gets this whole season to show what he’s got. I’m not going to crucify him for playing poorly against the best passing D in the NFL in windy buffalo. 

[UntouchableCrew]

19 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

I mean, if you think this was "his worst game", you haven't watched the last 26 starts...

I've watched every Sam Darnold start and yesterday was the most discouraged I've ever been watching him.

I can handle a rookie with no receivers forcing a bunch of throws and throwing picks, and as embarrassing as the seeing ghosts debacle was last year, the injuries and o-line situation accounted for a lot of his bad play.

Yesterday he just sucked. He made idiotic decisions as a third year guy and made some really, really bad, inaccurate throws I've never seen him make. He just looked terrible. Objectively the seeing ghosts debacle was a "worse game" but given the circumstances I think yesterday was the least impressive I've seen him. He didn't look like an NFL QB.