A thread for Gase supporters

[WowOhWow]

Jet fan for life.  50 years old.  Been through everything.  Season tix, road trips to away games, the whole nine yards.  Sickened to think how much dough I dropped on this team.

I'm starting this thread because I need to hear from fellow Jet fans that actually support Gase.  I'm trying to understand what it is about him as HC that gives us any hope that he is the right coach to help this team return to some sort of competitiveness.  I don't get it.  This is his 5th season in the AFCE and he has done nothing but run franchises into the ground since his first season.  Help me understand.

The floor is yours.  I'm all ears.

[BallinPB]

crickets

[Nick Blitz]

[T0mShane]

I think the person most singularly excited to see Adam Gase get fired from the Jets will be Adam Gase. 

[heymangold]

no one will publicly support gase because they risk being chastised for life on this board.

[greenwichjetfan]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I think the person most singularly excited to see Adam Gase get fired from the Jets will be Adam Gase. 

He'll need to get in line. 

[choon328]

This should be a quiet thread.  Everyone knows Gase sucks.  The disappointment from yesterday isn't about Gase, it's about Darnold. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, heymangold said:

no one will publicly support gase because they risk being chastised for life on this board.

The positive will be that he left the job better than he found it, which wasn’t the case with Rex and Bowles.

[joewilly12]

 

[Drums]

Her?

[Y3k]

I had hopes for Gase yesterday but his play calling is too predictable. There is no miss direction, there is no play action, no roll outs for Darnold. No easy "gimme" plays to get the QB into a rythm. 

[playtowinthegame]

Adam Gase's locker room speech yesterday.

[BettyBoop]

4 minutes ago, Y3k said:

I had hopes for Gase yesterday but his play calling is too predictable. There is no miss direction, there is no play action, no roll outs for Darnold. No easy "gimme" plays to get the QB into a rythm. 

Forget play calling!  Forget misdirection!  The team was not prepared!  They were a joke out there.  This must stop.  

[Jetluv58]

Where is SAR 1?

[joewilly12]

[Jethead]

2 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

Where is SAR 1?

Yeah, he's the big Gase man, Johnson boner. Silence is deafening!

[joewilly12]

4 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

Where is SAR 1?

You mean SOR I 

[southparkcpa]

If your friend hires a 10 year old to change the battery on his Tesla and he fails... do you blame the kid or your friend?

Gase is the 10 year old.  The Johnson organization has for almost 20 years now hired well below average personnel, including REX.

In my 30 year financial career, working with people from all walks of life, I have seen successful people. How they behave, how they think. They are  a unique breed.

They would do a far superior job than Woody or Chris. We are DOOMED!  The Johnsons hire these people because they do not know how to identify talent, determination and the intangible trait of drive and success. They hire morons like Gase, Bowles, MAC, Idzik. Even Herm. When you listen to Herm, he is NOT a win now guy. He sounds very different from Parcells, Gruden, Bellicek etc.

 

[Jetluv58]

16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

You mean SOR I 

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

Gase isn't the problem just like no one other guy before him was ever the problem. The problem is that, when Woody gets recalled from downton abbey, the Jets will have come by their quarterback, coach, general manager, and owner IN THAT ORDER. You can't win like this.

[ZachEY]

I’m by no means a “Gase Supporter” but I am realistic about the team, which leaves me in the same position I was in with Bowles.

No one is winning with this team.  The QB sucks, the WRs suck, the RB sucks, the defense sucks.

We spent 4 high picks on a QB too scared to throw at the combine and he’s the same, limited, reckless player he was in college.

We spent the 3rd overall pick on a DT who already... already looks to be a massive bust.

The huge FA overspend will have played 1 game in two seasons.

We’ve been the leagues worst drafting team for a decade, and that’s not hyperbole, there’s actual data to support it.  The damage done by Maccagnan is going to take years to undo.

The average NFL fan could name three players on this team, two long past their prime RBs and a bad QB.

If there was an expansion draft, there’s no one besides this years draft class, and maybe... maybe Maye, you’d hate to lose.  You’d literally beg a team to take last years #3 overall pick.

So, am I a Gase fan?  Of course not.  I hated the hire.  But if the opponent had to tell us their plays in advance, I’m still not sure we’re a playoff team.

Can Joe Douglas draft well?  Can he find a QB?  Can he avoid overpays?  These are the only questions that speak to our success.  Gase is irrelevant.  Blaming him is wishful thinking that this all could be better with one change, and better quickly.  It can’t, and it won’t.  The situation is that bad.

[Sharky7337]

[The Crusher]

Lets not call posters out please. Thanks. 

[Dunnie]

[Drums]

The scariest thing is that no matter who we hire, the product on the field doesn’t really change. Same crap different day. Why?

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I’m by no means a “Gase Supporter” but I am realistic about the team, which leaves me in the same position I was in with Bowles.

No one is winning with this team.  The QB sucks, the WRs suck, the RB sucks, the defense sucks.

We spent 4 high picks on a QB too scared to throw at the combine and he’s the same, limited, reckless player he was in college.

We spent the 3rd overall pick on a DT who already... already looks to be a massive bust.

The huge FA overspend will have played 1 game in two seasons.

We’ve been the leagues worst drafting team for a decade, and that’s not hyperbole, there’s actual data to support it.  The damage done by Maccagnan is going to take years to undo.

The average NFL fan could name three players on this team, two long past third prime RBs and a bad QB.

If there was an expansion draft, there’s no one besides this years draft class, and maybe... maybe Maye, you’d hate to lose.  You’d literally beg a team to take last years #3 overall pick.

So, am I a Gase fan?  Of course not.  I hated the hire.  But if the opponent had to tell us their plays in advance, I’m still not sure we’re a playoff team.

Can Joe Douglas draft well?  Can he find a QB?  Can he avoid overpays?  These are the only questions that speak to our success.  Gase is irrelevant.  Blaming him is wishful thinking that this all could be better with one change, and better quickly.  It can’t, and it won’t.  The situation is that bad.

I still have no idea who the hell #44 on defense is. The kick is he was about the third best player on defense yesterday. 

[T0mShane]

Mike McCarthy’s Cowboys put up 17 points yesterday with All Pro caliber players at seven different positions on offense, so your alternatives were also very bad. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Mike McCarthy’s Cowboys put up 17 points with yesterday with All Pro caliber players at seven different positions on offense, so your alternatives were also very bad. 

You've been defending Gase for a long time now. 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

You've been defending Gase for a long time now. 

I have, based on how bad the job was when he took it and who else was willing to take it. Of all those candidates, Gase was the best hire because he, at least, waged a coup and showed Chris Johnson the light. McCarthy doesn’t do that. Rhule doesn’t do that. Gase will be remembered as a bad coach, but he issued a course correction that put the team on positive footing moving forward. 

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Mike McCarthy’s Cowboys put up 17 points with yesterday with All Pro caliber players at seven different positions on offense, so your alternatives were also very bad. 

I watched that game closely because i was a McCarthy booster when compared to Gase and while the Cowboys didnt look like world beaters they certainly looked like an NFL team which is more than the Jets looked in that first half. 
 

i for one truly hope that Gase can get a magic potion and turn this around because yesterday was brutal.  

[Barry McCockinner]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I have, based on how bad the job was when he took it and who else was willing to take it. Of all those candidates, Gase was the best hire because he, at least, waged a coup and showed Chris Johnson the light. McCarthy doesn’t do that. Rhule doesn’t do that. Gase will be remembered as a bad coach, but he issued a course correction that put the team on positive footing moving forward. 

McCarthy and Rhule don't come in and ruin the best QB prospect we've had since Pennington. Neither does Bienemy.

McCagnan was going to be shown the door sooner than later regardless of the HC. You're crediting Gase with something that he may have had a hand in and has nothing to do with his role as a HC. ?

[JohnnyLV]

There are a few things you can point to in favor of Gase:

1. The team stayed together and did finish well despite as horrific a start to the season as you can

2. The offense was better after Sam met with Gase and he made adjustments. To my eyes yesterday's offense seemed more like the "Gase" offense that Sam did not do well in. Gase needs to do the same thing and tailor the offense to Sam this year. If people remember, Rex did the same thing with defense. He would roll out with his full super complicated defense every season. D will struggle he would simplify and it would improve. Let's see what the offense looks like next week

3. The players seem to be behind him.

That's all I got and #2 is sort of only half positive. Not a fan of the guy, for a "offensive" guy to my eye his schemes and playcalling suck gangrene afflicted donkey balls.

 

 

 

[JustInFudge]

14 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I’m by no means a “Gase Supporter” but I am realistic about the team, which leaves me in the same position I was in with Bowles.

No one is winning with this team.  The QB sucks, the WRs suck, the RB sucks, the defense sucks.

We spent 4 high picks on a QB too scared to throw at the combine and he’s the same, limited, reckless player he was in college.

We spent the 3rd overall pick on a DT who already... already looks to be a massive bust.

The huge FA overspend will have played 1 game in two seasons.

We’ve been the leagues worst drafting team for a decade, and that’s not hyperbole, there’s actual data to support it.  The damage done by Maccagnan is going to take years to undo.

The average NFL fan could name three players on this team, two long past third prime RBs and a bad QB.

If there was an expansion draft, there’s no one besides this years draft class, and maybe... maybe Maye, you’d hate to lose.  You’d literally beg a team to take last years #3 overall pick.

So, am I a Gase fan?  Of course not.  I hated the hire.  But if the opponent had to tell us their plays in advance, I’m still not sure we’re a playoff team.

Can Joe Douglas draft well?  Can he find a QB?  Can he avoid overpays?  These are the only questions that speak to our success.  Gase is irrelevant.  Blaming him is wishful thinking that this all could be better with one change, and better quickly.  It can’t, and it won’t.  The situation is that bad.

Well said.  Cant argue any of it.

Adam Gase didnt miss wide open receivers.  Adam Gase didnt throw another stupid pick down 2 scores.  Adam Gase didnt take a UDFA rookie style sack when trying to lead a comeback.  he didnt fumble a kick off or on a screenplay, missed tackles, back breaking penalties, etc.

All that said, he's terrible and cant be the guy to lead this team going forward after this season.

JD needs to pick his guy and we need to do this right. GM picks HC, GM/HC pick QB, GM/HC build around QB.  GM/HC/QB die together.  The last 3 ways this team went through a change were absolutely moronic. 

 

 

[BROOKLYN JET]

 

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, WowOhWow said:

I'm starting this thread because I need to hear from fellow Jet fans that actually support Gase.  I'm trying to understand what it is about him as HC that gives us any hope that he is the right coach to help this team return to some sort of competitiveness.  I don't get it. 

While not a Gase fan, I am a Gase supporter.  Here's why:

While we may have hired him to be an offensive guru, I believe his actual strength is as a head coach.  He is a straight-shooter, he is not a politician, he doesn't play nice with the media, he holds his players accountable, and he is the established boss, all things you want in a head coach.  These guys have to be hard assed a-holes yet command respect and loyalty in the locker room, not an easy skillset.  Gase has this.

What we learned last year for the first few months on the job is that he did the right structural thing as a head coach in every instance.  Williams hired.  Coaching staff completely rebuilt.  Maccagnan forced out.  Douglas hired.  Front office completely rebuilt.  Locker room flushed of all malcontents.  Weed culture eliminated. 

What we also learned last year during the season is that he is good at facing adversity and keeping the team focused on winning.  Injuries, illness, mono, planes flying, media vulturing, bad OL, bad WR's, through that maelstrom he got us to win 6 of our last 8 games.  He flipped the playbook numerous times, he coached-up backups and third stringers countless times.

Great head coaches are hard to find and none want to come to the Jets, so you have to find someone who has been a head coach before and give him a second chance in order to find the next great one.  Gase hasn't done enough to be fired as a head coach this season and he did a great job last season; if offensive coordination is the problem, let's hire a new offensive coordinator.  If quarterback is a problem, let's find a new quarterback.

SAR I