$$$$ What's The point?

[LRJets]

For us long suffering, loyal, green-bleeding Jets fans!

Who the efff cares about the owners money?

We go out of the way to strategize the draft with the luck that the 2018 consensus top pick quarterback fell into our hands.

Do we spend the money to weaponize him to the best of our ablity?

So we save a few sheckles.  Does that make anyone feel better at 4 p.m on Sundays?

Anyone else  ever think if they'll  live to see another Super Bowl?

 

[Jetsfan80]

Macc spent like a drunken sailor.  It got this franchise nowhere.  

You have to spend smart, and reserve the majority of your spending on homegrown talent.  Put together a few good drafts in a row and we'll have plenty of talent to pay. 

Hoping to save your franchise in free agency is fool's gold; you're mostly just paying for other teams' trash.

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Macc spent like a drunken sailor.  It got this franchise nowhere.  

You have to spend smart, and reserve the majority of your spending on homegrown talent.  Put together a few good drafts in a row and we'll have plenty of talent to pay. 

Hoping to save your franchise in free agency is fool's gold; you're mostly just paying for other teams' trash.

Yet, you love the idea of trading Adams?

How do you reconcile the two?

[Grandy]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

Yet, you love the idea of trading Adams?

How do you reconcile the two?

Adams gives you the picks to put together a few drafts, and an opportunity to spend multiple high picks on more important positions.

It's simple.

[Lurker89]

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Adams gives you the picks to put together a few drafts, and an opportunity to spend multiple high picks on more important positions.

It's simple.

Yes, so we hope we can make a pick two years from now that turns out to be as good as Adams?  It’s silly.

The poster I quoted was making the claim that we shouldn’t spend on FA’s but save our money for home grown talent - but when we have home grown talent and trade him away our fans celebrate.  

[Larz]

12 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Adams gives you the picks to put together a few drafts, and an opportunity to spend multiple high picks on more important positions.

It's simple.

They traded a known for unknowns 

 

not that simple 

 

[ElBarrioJets]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Yes, so we hope we can make a pick two years from now that turns out to be as good as Adams?  It’s silly.

The poster I quoted was making the claim that we shouldn’t spend on FA’s but save our money for home grown talent - but when we have home grown talent and trade him away our fans celebrate.  

Jamal Adams is the chief example of home grown talent you SHOULD trade away. He is an a$$hole who plays a non-premium position and JD managed to get more value out of him than the Khalil Mack deal. That's a win. 

What we're seeing now, and what we're sadly going to continue to see for the next few years, is the mistakes of YEARS of poor drafting affecting the roster. We have no "sure things" on this roster, outside of maybe Braden Mann right now. No amount of FA spending is going to gloss over a lost decade of drafting. 

So yeah, you have to keep drafting and hope you hit the lottery. At positions that matter. That's how good teams are built and stay relevant. And then supplement in FA. 

[Grandy]

10 minutes ago, Larz said:

They traded a known for unknowns 

 

not that simple 

 

A known that wasn't going to take a snap for us again anyway, and was doing his best to burn every bridge on his way out.

It really is that simple. What else were we going to do?

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said:

Jamal Adams is the chief example of home grown talent you SHOULD trade away. He is an a$$hole who plays a non-premium position and JD managed to get more value out of him than the Khalil Mack deal. That's a win. 

What we're seeing now, and what we're sadly going to continue to see for the next few years, is the mistakes of YEARS of poor drafting affecting the roster. We have no "sure things" on this roster, outside of maybe Braden Mann right now. No amount of FA spending is going to gloss over a lost decade of drafting. 

So yeah, you have to keep drafting and hope you hit the lottery. At positions that matter. That's how good teams are built and stay relevant. And then supplement in FA. 

I disagree, this could have been a competitive team this year if JD wanted to put one together.

Which also leads me to believe JD has no faith in Sam - if he did he would have tried to win, instead of what we have now.  Sam won’t be back next year.

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Grandy said:

A known that wasn't going to take a snap for us again anyway, and was doing his best to burn every bridge on his way out.

It really is that simple. What else were we going to do?

Pay him.

Like every other team does with their good players.  

[Larz]

3 minutes ago, Grandy said:

A known that wasn't going to take a snap for us again anyway, and was doing his best to burn every bridge on his way out.

It really is that simple. What else were we going to do?

Pay him like the other players in his draft class. 
 

Simple

[ElBarrioJets]

5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I disagree, this could have been a competitive team this year if JD wanted to put one together.

Which also leads me to believe JD has no faith in Sam - if he did he would have tried to win, instead of what we have now.  Sam won’t be back next year.

Lol this team blows and no amount of FA could have saved it. That's due to a decade of poor drafting. It wasn't going to be fixed this year. 

Oh and Jamal Adams didn't want to be here. 

[Grandy]

3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Pay him.

Like every other team does with their good players.  

If it was about the money, he'd have an extension right now.

He said himself that he can wait to be paid because he's winning now. He was tired of being a loser.

Also paying 20+ a year for a guy who has never intercepted a starting quarterback isn't genius strategy for a team that wasn't ever going to be competitive with or without a loud safety. 

 

[FidelioJet]

4 minutes ago, Grandy said:

If it was about the money, he'd have an extension right now.

He said himself that he can wait to be paid because he's winning now. He was tired of being a loser.

Also paying 20+ a year for a guy who has never intercepted a starting quarterback isn't genius strategy for a team that wasn't ever going to be competitive with or without a loud safety. 

 

You have the timing wrong.

He wanted the Jets to pay him - and when he realized they wouldn’t and they were tanking the season - that’s when he went all negative.  

And I can’t blame him for that - if you’re not going to get paid either way, might as well be on a team that’s at least trying to win.

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said:

Lol this team blows and no amount of FA could have saved it. 

Oh and Jamal Adams didn't want to be here. 

Sign Conklin, Keep Adams, Sign Clowney, CJ Mosley would have played if the Jets were trying to win...That’s 4 legitimate impact players vs. the none we have right now.  You win with talent, not draft picks.

That’s a markedly better team already - now sign a few basic free agents that were starters on other teams - instead of other teams back-ups and you have a team that can win games.

and to be very clear - they had the money to have done all of that!!!

The whole mentality of the team would be different.  They know they’re tanking, it’s very hard to stay motivated under those cicrumstances.

[varjet]

10 minutes ago, Grandy said:

 

 

Let's see how far the Seahawks go with Adams playing safety.  

He is a great football player.  I am sure he adds great value at $3.59mm/year.  He probably is great value at $9.86mm/year, but we will have to see who the Seahawks let go to pay for that.  Given what the Seahawks pay Wilson and others, I don't see them paying $20mm for a safety, but let's see.

The teams that pay top dollar for safeties don't pay their QBs.

I predict that Adams plays out his 5 year contract and then moves on to a big contract with a lousy team.  The Jets could be that team.  He should be nicer to them.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

56 minutes ago, LRJets said:

For us long suffering, loyal, green-bleeding Jets fans!

Who the efff cares about the owners money?

We go out of the way to strategize the draft with the luck that the 2018 consensus top pick quarterback fell into our hands.

Do we spend the money to weaponize him to the best of our ablity?

So we save a few sheckles.  Does that make anyone feel better at 4 p.m on Sundays?

Anyone else  ever think if they'll  live to see another Super Bowl?

 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

56 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Macc spent like a drunken sailor.  It got this franchise nowhere.  

You have to spend smart, and reserve the majority of your spending on homegrown talent.  Put together a few good drafts in a row and we'll have plenty of talent to pay. 

Hoping to save your franchise in free agency is fool's gold; you're mostly just paying for other teams' trash.

[FidelioJet]

57 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Macc spent like a drunken sailor.  It got this franchise nowhere.  

You have to spend smart, and reserve the majority of your spending on homegrown talent.  Put together a few good drafts in a row and we'll have plenty of talent to pay. 

Hoping to save your franchise in free agency is fool's gold; you're mostly just paying for other teams' trash.

Here’s the thing with Mac...he was terrible and I think we can all agree on that.

Mac’s draft picks were terrible too - does that mean we shouldn’t draft people?

Mac’s incompetence carried over to FA - a better GM should and would be expected to make better choices in FA.

Believe it or not - good teams make good FA choices just like draft picks and bad teams sign bad free agents and draft bad players.

[Grandy]

12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

You have the timing wrong.

He wanted the Jets to pay him - and when he realized they wouldn’t and they were tanking the season - that’s when he went all negative.  

And I can’t blame him for that - if you’re not going to get paid either way, might as well be on a team that’s at least trying to win.

The guy was reaching out to Dallas brass in October of last year to get out. Before any of the contract drama.

He. Did. Not. Want. To. Be. A. Jet.

[BurnleyJet]

The caps is getting slashed in 2021.

Douglas knows this, and he’s ready to pick up cut then teams have to dump talent due to cap cuts.

He’s not sold on Darnold, and it’s putting himself in place to pick a QB and dump Gase for his own HC. 

[ElBarrioJets]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Sign Conklin, Keep Adams, Sign Clowney, CJ Mosley would have played if the Jets were trying to win...That’s 4 legitimate impact players vs. the none we have right now.  You win with talent, not draft picks.

That’s a markedly better team already - now sign a few basic free agents that were starters on other teams - instead of other teams back-ups and you have a team that can win games.

and to be very clear - they had the money to have done all of that!!!

The whole mentality of the team would be different.  They know they’re tanking, it’s very hard to stay motivated under those cicrumstances.

That's an awesome 5-11 team you're describing. You're essentially describing the Redskins' method for building teams in the early 2000s, and assuming that Mosley would have cared less about his and his family's health if the Jets signed a few more FAs. Dumb argument. 

The team is this crappy and in this position because of years of poor drafting. And a track record that speaks to all the players that you just mentioned that says "Don't come here." None of that was being fixed in one offseason. You win with talented draft picks on low money contracts that decide to stay when you've built up years of good will. Culture and chemistry win every time over short-sighted swings at modest improvement. 

I get you love being the Debbie Downer of the board, but you're clearly tying yourself in knots to try and take the "I told you so" angle that everyone can see straight through. The Jets just suck and it will take years to fix this dumpster fire. No one wants to hear about how middling we'd be if we signed a few more castoffs.  

[UnknownJetFan]

4 hours ago, Larz said:

They traded a known for unknowns 

 

not that simple 

 

We traded a known at safety and if we saw clearly in the game yesterday Maye and McDougle are very food at safety, so with all the draft picks we have they mainly need to use them on offense to balance out this team.

[joewilly12]

JD is not spending the Johnson's money he will be here forever. 

[Dunnie]

I'm 52 ...doesn't look likely.

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[Larz]

30 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said:

We traded a known at safety and if we saw clearly in the game yesterday Maye and McDougle are very food at safety, so with all the draft picks we have they mainly need to use them on offense to balance out this team.

Weird how Pete Carroll, defensive secondary coaching icon, traded for the wrong safety right?